Lord Frieza
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Yeah....simple.
Clinton has pneumonia
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Yeah....simple.
thelastcrusader
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Morrigan Stark
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Sounds legit
Jack The Nipper
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She will be fine as along as she isn't sick in the debates. If she is, that will be really bad to cough or hold it back
In do wonder at this point, if trump coughed on stage of hillary would mention it or forget it for not wanting to get in that battle with trump
I like this hustle.
ShooterMcTavish
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I find it funny that people go ape on Fox News in this thread for posting something about Hilary, it turns out to be true. Cnn didn't post it first because A. They are not as good or B. They want Hilary to win so they are just as biased of an organization as Fox News lol.
Moral of the story- stop being so hypocritical and stop watching shitty news media altogether
Moral of the story- stop being so hypocritical and stop watching shitty news media altogether
And_Gignac
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If Trump was the one having this episode many would be dancing over his electoral grave. It takes a special type of delusion to believe this won't hurt Clinton, that this won't be part of hundreds of ad attacks or an awkward topic during the debates.
Ways to diminish the impact of this incident should be prioritized, instead of pretending nothing important is happening.
Ways to diminish the impact of this incident should be prioritized, instead of pretending nothing important is happening.
Haha, but even here they are just trying to police it.
Lord Frieza
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I'm no CNN fan, but putting them lower than Fox News is kind of ridiculous. There is still some good news reporting hidden there. Fox News is a pure propaganda with no real reporting being done there anymore.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why are you guys never in threads about Trump? Everything but Fox is biased?
EatinOlives
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Fox is forever in Boy Who Cried Wolf mode. They've raised stinks about the stupidest shit so nobody trusts them on anything anymore, and for good reason.
CNN calling out Trump's shit is hardly biased. Don't pull that "truth is always in the middle" trash, pls.
timetokill
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Sneak preview of the debate
Super_Cobra
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Fox News is very pro trump and anti Hillary. CNN tries to hide their bias but they are pro Hillary and anti trump.
Crabernacle
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I'd be shocked if we don't hear about this from Trump & Co. over the next couple of days. I'm remaining optimistic that he will overplay his hand, yet again, and squander any gains made. He does have a knack bungling even the most simple of narratives in his zeal to drag the spotlight back onto himself.
Jack The Nipper
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Why do people never see the truth in the idea of people. It doing what they say it's always glossed over every single time. This makes me feel much worse than it should but is why I stay off Facebook anyways. People just don't care
Join the crowd or be left out, guess out isn't so bad.
It's ok being different for me, not doing things just to get a few laughs and high gives. Yeah, I'm thar guy that finds the banging of beers and saying cheers strange.
but it's the other way around! or is it.that's because walking pneumonia isn't actually medical diagnosis! it's an imprecise term used because pneumonia of certain causes impacts people more severely than others
some pneumonia leaves healthy young people bedridden and absolutely miserable, others such as mycoplasma only cause coughing, excess mucus, and mild flu-like symptoms
perhaps it's because hillary is in such good shape, but as she is not bedridden the vernacular term "walking pneumonia" is being employed to convey severity
i'm still not sure what point you're trying to make, nor where those dang goal posts got moved to
Lord Frieza
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You don't need anything like that to dance over Trump's electoral grave, because he's basically already dead there.
Besides, I don't think people are saying this won't be used. It will, obviously. I think the dispute is what impact this is realistically going to have. Anyone who thinks this is some kind of instant sinking moment is really just subscribing to panic and fear-mongering. Clinton's health has been part of a manufactured controversy from fringe conspiracy theories. Most people aren't going to subscribe to that, especially if Clinton is up and on her feet campaigning in a relatively short time. It's just going to be more conspiracy silliness. If she's out for a significant amount of time, then we'll probably see a real effect, especially if it affects her performances at the debates.
GHAHAHAHAHAHA CNN is anti Trump now!? Shows how much people have absolutely ZERO fucking clue about anything.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-me...-calls-jeff-zucker-his-personal-booker-224116
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-chief-jeff-zucker-keeps-a-framed-donald-trump-tweet-in-his-office/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexcampbe...-helped-lead?utm_term=.nhw01KM6k1#.ew9gOQqMaO
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-jeff-zucker-concedes-cnn-has-been-a-little-too-liberal/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-enjoys-outsize-ratings-boost-from-presidential-race-1462126349
FYI, if you didn't know, Jeff Zucker calls the shots at CNN now.
The guy has always had super favorable treatment and is held to a lower standard than his opposition. And the reason there are so many dumb Trump surrogates invading the air on CNN is because of Zucker. So fucking ridiculously stupid that anyone would call CNN anti-Trump in the least. And anyone calling CNN pro-Hillary at all is wrong as fuck. I don't think any media is super favorable to her.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/watch-cnns-wolf-blitzer-replays-clinton-stumbling-clip-40-times-in-10-minutes/
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-me...-calls-jeff-zucker-his-personal-booker-224116
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-chief-jeff-zucker-keeps-a-framed-donald-trump-tweet-in-his-office/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexcampbe...-helped-lead?utm_term=.nhw01KM6k1#.ew9gOQqMaO
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-jeff-zucker-concedes-cnn-has-been-a-little-too-liberal/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-enjoys-outsize-ratings-boost-from-presidential-race-1462126349
FYI, if you didn't know, Jeff Zucker calls the shots at CNN now.
The guy has always had super favorable treatment and is held to a lower standard than his opposition. And the reason there are so many dumb Trump surrogates invading the air on CNN is because of Zucker. So fucking ridiculously stupid that anyone would call CNN anti-Trump in the least. And anyone calling CNN pro-Hillary at all is wrong as fuck. I don't think any media is super favorable to her.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/watch-cnns-wolf-blitzer-replays-clinton-stumbling-clip-40-times-in-10-minutes/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WegZsAa-3qI
excelsiorlef
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Did you get your hat from Alex Jones or did you just make it out of tinfoil you had lying around?
Either way I'm impressed because you must get some amazing AM radio signals.
Any Questions
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Do you folks in the states have impartial news? Coming from the UK were lucky. Our TV is fairly impartial when it boils down to it. We even take the corporations to task when the telecoms watchdog thinks a news organisation is being one sided.
Our newspapers however are split when they come to politics.
Would be terrible to think I had to watch TV news workout getting spun into thinking one way.
Lord Frieza
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Why do people never see the truth in the idea of people. It doing what they say it's always glossed over every single time. This makes me feel much worse than it should but is why I stay off Facebook anyways. People just don't care
Join the crowd or be left out, guess out isn't so bad.
It's ok being different for me, not doing things just to get a few laughs and high gives. Yeah, I'm thar guy that finds the banging of beers and saying cheers strange.
This sounds like a narration for the previews to Fooly Cooly episodes.
Jack The Nipper
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I would strongly assume if she had any serious health issues that she not trump would run but eh I'm not that dumb. They would still run more than likely.
I'm not sure where the hilly issues came from but I do doubt she has any serious issues.
I thought men had it more often at an early age? Not that this is important but just what I thought, maybe I'm wrong
Lord I have no idea what that is, atleast around others I make people laugh a lot. Translating to forums doesn' work since I'm much serious here, always though.
I'm not sure where the hilly issues came from but I do doubt she has any serious issues.
I thought men had it more often at an early age? Not that this is important but just what I thought, maybe I'm wrong
Lord I have no idea what that is, atleast around others I make people laugh a lot. Translating to forums doesn' work since I'm much serious here, always though.
timetokill
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Cable news here realized long ago that there's no ratings in impartial news.
eyeball_kid
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My grandfather has Parkinson's. I haven't seen anything from Hillary's behavior that would suggest she has it. Actually, I'd say I've seen more things from Bill that remind me of when my grandfather was in the early stages, but that doesn't mean anything because I'm not a trained medical professional, and neither are these conspiracy people trying to pin diseases on her.
I think for most people who aren't Hillary supporters right now, it's not so much about her health as it is about the trust issue that's been dogging her for a long time. They say she has a cough, then it's just hot weather, then finally it's something else. They're trying to contain the story and doing more damage, instead of just being up front. Every time that happens, the trust meter goes down again.
My feeling is this strategy is coming directly from HRC. She's been making sure there's no ammunition loaded in the guns pointed at her for so many years that it's her only mode of operation. Now that there's more scrutiny on her, when locking it down goes wrong, the damage is worse than if she'd just owned the real story.
I think for most people who aren't Hillary supporters right now, it's not so much about her health as it is about the trust issue that's been dogging her for a long time. They say she has a cough, then it's just hot weather, then finally it's something else. They're trying to contain the story and doing more damage, instead of just being up front. Every time that happens, the trust meter goes down again.
My feeling is this strategy is coming directly from HRC. She's been making sure there's no ammunition loaded in the guns pointed at her for so many years that it's her only mode of operation. Now that there's more scrutiny on her, when locking it down goes wrong, the damage is worse than if she'd just owned the real story.
Clockwork5
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I mean, pretending nothing happened is a fairly effective way of diminishing impact.
Morrigan Stark
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looooooooooooool
Jack The Nipper
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Even if she was sick or wouldn't move her supporters to trump. Not most atleast. I'd assume they would still vote for her. Atleast over trump.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The only real criticism here is that they should have said it was pneumonia on Friday. The cough, the dehydration/heat and the pneumonia itself is all pretty much connected.
Lord Frieza
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it's not a very effective way of diminishing the effect of someone calling you out, though
But surely your public broadcasting has some sort of mandate to be impartial? I won't say the BBC is totally free of bias, but it does have a charter to be free of political and commercial influence, and if it's found to break that charter it gets investigated by an independent watchdog, etc.
This. You have to be kidding yourselves if you think CNN etc are impartial. Obviously most aren't as blatant as Fox News, but impartial? lol
Yes, women on average live 5 years more than men in the U.S.
The reason many women can look tired more often, is that they usually overwork themselves more. And, honestly, this is so true in real life.
I've grown up with my mom being the boss, both at work and home, and she has always been the one getting home late at night after doing overtime at the office. My dad works hard too, but he's a university professor and, well, let's just say that he picked up my brother and me after school, not my mom.
I did an internship at my mom's work for a couple of months, and I saw how more men than women took the opportunity to leave early and arrive late. But at the same time, they sometimes pushed themselves too much.
This happens to both sexes, I don't mean to say that it's only women who put more overtime, but Trump has gotten away with taken a few days off the trail without anybody asking questions about where he is.
Clockwork5
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So you are saying losing consciousness and being dragged into a van while completely limp is a symptom of a mild case of pneumonia?
Any Questions
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That's shit. So your telling me that in order to get a balanced view on the facts I need to watch several news programmes and then decide who to believe based on biased reporting.
That's not good.
BlastProcessing
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Do we know that she lost consciousness? Did I miss that? Have a link?
Fainting often happens to people who aren't sick so....yes?
You'd have a point if we didn't have video of Clinton up and moving around literally two hours later.
My father has Parkinsons. He doesn't have the shakes at all, but he has a lot of trouble walking. It affects different people differently.
uncelestial
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It's pretty obvious that if they have known since Friday, keeping her schedule the same and covering it up until she literally collapsed was probably a stupid move.
shinra-bansho
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You mean "Clinton".
Where are all these fainting people?
yes, and we're going to break it down a bit more so you can understand a bit better
a symptom of pneumonia is dehydration and flu-like symptoms
dehydration makes a person more susceptible to heat exhaustion
heat exhaustion causes faintness, dizziness, and fatigue
thus "losing conscious and being dragged into a van while completely limp", or as a more didactic person would say "faintness" is a symptom of a mild case of pneumonia - because a mild case of pneumonia is still a relatively severe acute illness, that much you are correct on
the point where the goal posts are being moved is this transition from claiming she has a long-term health condition that indicates she is unfit to be president to claiming that she got sick with an unfortunate acute ailment
and if we take note of this shift, the argument is now "hillary clinton catching pneumonia - and continuing to campaign through it - demonstrates that she isn't physically fit to be president"
this strikes me as an absurd argument to make, although certainly not the most absurd i've heard
Bam Bam Baklava
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Given the political season, I've heard of people fainting at rallies time and time again. Due to heat, the sun, their lack of water intake.
Is this really news to you?
excelsiorlef
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That's happened here in this thread and the last one
Clockwork5
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Clinton is a fighter. I'm sure her top priority was to get a short photo opportunity of her walking to her car and hugging a child. She knows the damage this could do to her campaign.
Forgive me if I don't find that indicative of her current health when she was unable to stand on her own two feet moments before. And yes, though rare, healthy people can faint but Ms. Clinton is not currently healthy. She has pneumonia. A serious illness for someone of her age.
Figured it would.
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