Clinton has pneumonia

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royalan said:
I'm not trying to argue that pneumonia isn't a potentially serious ailment. But from what we have seen from Hillary this weekend:

Is she dying? Likely not.
Is this disqualifying? No.
Is this a serious case of pneumonia? Most signs point to no.
Are there signs of a more serious ailment her doctor isn't disclosing? No. This is all par for the course for pneumonia.
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Pneumonia takes time to get to its worst. It isn't fine one moment and than BAM! pneumonia and dying.

I had it when I was at University. I had been feeling shitty the latter half of the week and on the Friday went to lectures after taking every cold medication under the sun. Then the weekend came and I decided to travel home to my parents' as I thought I might have the flu coming on. On either Tuesday or Wednesday I called my Dad at work and (kind of) said "I can't breathe and I am coughing up blood". I was in hospital the same day and stayed there for a week.

So I was serious enough to be hospitalised for a week, yet when it was first coming on I was still going to my lectures and, IIRC, going out in the evenings.

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The point is, we don't know where on that kind of timeline she is and speculation will get us nowhere. We can't decide if it is serious or not as Pneumonia is a spectrum. But blanket statements saying she did this and that and thus it is not serious is ridiculous.
 
CyclopsRock said:
If the West Wing has taught me anything, it's that the election would continue between Clinton and Trump. If Clinton won, despite being dead, the victory would immediately hand to Kaine.
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That was the primary for a state rep seat, unless you're referring to the final season, in which the VP-nominee was found dead the night of the election (but before polls had closed). In the latter instance they announced it immediately and let the election play out because the President can either forcefully pick another VP nominee or have congress confirm one (Matt Santos struggled deciding which one he should do, deciding to the do the latter because it was the constitutional thing to do).

I don't think you're wrong though, I imagine the ticket would still be Clinton/Kaine despite her no longer being alive, and when confirmed it would just move Kaine up the order of succession--leaving him to choose a VP either via delegates or congress.
 
So she'll take next week off. Unfortunately, during that time, a Robot Hillary, a Cyborg Hillary, a Kid Hillary, and an Alien Hillary, all cause destruction by campaigning across America.

When all hope seems lost, the real Hillary comes back, with a mullet that spurs her on to win the election.

Bill will probably need saving from a tall building at some point in all this.
 
Ventolin! the blue puffer inhaler... that is what she needs to carry in her purse


allergies suck, the center of the country that is rafweed ridden sucks too
 
neurosisxeno said:
That was the primary for a state rep seat, unless you're referring to the final season, in which the VP-nominee was found dead the night of the election (but before polls had closed). In the latter instance they announced it immediately and let the election play out because the President can either forcefully pick another VP nominee or have congress confirm one (Matt Santos struggled deciding which one he should do, deciding to the do the latter because it was the constitutional thing to do).

I don't think you're wrong though, I imagine the ticket would still be Clinton/Kaine despite her no longer being alive, and when confirmed it would just move Kaine up the order of succession--leaving him to choose a VP either via delegates or congress.
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It wasn't a primary btw - it was the general election for that house seat. That's why it was held on the same day as the national election. Will's dead candidate won, which then prompted an immediate special election where Sam stood and lost horribly.

(Still think it one of the worse aspects of the west wing how they dispose of characters without ever mentioning them or finishing their storylines. Sam's election wasn't mentioned once, and they never even bothered to come up with a reason why he didn't return to the White House).
 
Maledict said:
It wasn't a primary btw - it was the general election for that house seat. That's why it was held on the same day as the national election. Will's dead candidate won, which then prompted an immediate special election where Sam stood and lost horribly.

(Still think it one of the worse aspects of the west wing how they dispose of characters without ever mentioning them or finishing their storylines. Sam's election wasn't mentioned once, and they never even bothered to come up with a reason why he didn't return to the White House).
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I stand corrected. I just got it mixed up because President Bartlett shows up to Campaign for Sam which I thought meant it was a midterm or something (to explain Bartlett making such a pitstop). It definitely sucks when characters just disappear. They only had 1-2 episodes where Sam's campaign is covered, and they basically tell you the resolution with Toby telling him "Yes, you're going to lose."
 
WhateverItTakes said:
So she'll take next week off. Unfortunately, during that time, a Robot Hillary, a Cyborg Hillary, a Kid Hillary, and an Alien Hillary, all cause destruction by campaigning across America.

When all hope seems lost, the real Hillary comes back, with a mullet that spurs her on to win the election.

Bill will probably need saving from a tall building at some point in all this.
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I got this reference
 
I kinda think that clinton is trying to upbend the negative health news to her advantage here by disclosing her illness.

Pneunomia is serious but its not terminal and nothing that will impact her once she is healed. Also she is showing that she is still working despite her condititon. By that she is demonstrating to the voters "look im a vulnerable human being" with other candidates that would be damage control at best but if you look at clinton people mostly hate her "inhuman", "robotlike" behaviour. This is definately a more personal, private and immediate picture that is bei g shown here. Plus the trump campaign that is pondering on poor health of others is looking bad because it just manifests the image that they are relying on negativity only.

Would be quite a feat to pull this off though
 
SporeCrawler said:
I kinda think that clinton is trying to upbend the negative health news to her advantage here by disclosing her illness.

Pneunomia is serious but its not terminal and nothing that will impact her once she is healed. Also she is showing that she is still working despite her condititon. By that she is demonstrating to the voters "look im a vulnerable human being" with other candidates that would be damage control at best but if you look at clinton people mostly hate her "inhuman", "robotlike" behaviour. This is definately a more personal, private and immediate picture that is bei g shown here. Plus the trump campaign that is pondering on poor health of others is looking bad because it just manifests the image that they are relying on negativity only.

Would be quite a feat to pull this off though
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Yeah it could work out fine for her. I'm sure a lot of people have suffered pneumonia themselves, or know someone that did. Trump attacking her for it would just make him look shitty.
 
Pneumonia is horrible and sad to see people making joke out of it. Petrov (Aston Villa) had to suffer for quite sometime because of it, but Luckily I or any of family members had to deal with it.

Hope for a speedy recovery.
 
I hope she recovers really quick. Pneumonia can be quite a burden for elderly people for an extended time period (definition of elderly usually being 65+ in most western countries). It is often not the same as when a young person gets it. If she recovers quickly, that should be a sign for her health being good.
 
Harmen said:
I hope she recovers really quick. Pneumonia can be quite a burden for elderly people for an extended time period (definition of elderly usually being 65+ in most western countries). It is often not the same as when a young person gets it. If she recovers quickly, that should be a sign for her health being good.
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Yeah hopefully it just a light dose and they caught ti early. Her crew should be on top of this shit though. What the fuck is her campaign up too?
 
Wolvers said:
But surely your public broadcasting has some sort of mandate to be impartial? I won't say the BBC is totally free of bias, but it does have a charter to be free of political and commercial influence, and if it's found to break that charter it gets investigated by an independent watchdog, etc.
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The bbc is mandated to be impartial, whether it is is up for debate. They are subject to pressure from other media outlets who will both criticise their coverage and who can set the agenda for the way stories are covered.

Also the BBC is part of the British political establishment so it's impartiality operates within a certain framework of views and assumptions. Though this is inevitable of any media.
 
Mad props to her for trying to push herself and also going to that memorial yesterday. But she definitely needs to take it easy now and recover. Pneumonia is no joke, as I found out after nearly killing myself having when I was 20.

I still think it's my #1 worst sickness. I foolishly thought it was a cold and tried to keep up with my normal routine. I was a busy college student at the time and didn't have time to be sick. But I was like dragging myself places the longer it went on till one day I just couldn't get out of bed. Basically had to call my mom to come take me to the hospital, just getting from the bed to her car felt like walking a thousand miles. The doctor in the ER admonished me for letting it go so long; but who really expects to have a sickness so debilitating when you're young?

Anyway, hope she gets some rest for a bit so it doesn't progress too far.
 
Aaronology said:
This is reassuring.

She needs to get better so we can get back to this:

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Where is this from lol?
 
royalan said:
Yes, this was before she fainted. No, it doesn't indicate that she's battling a serious form of pneumonia. As someone who has had a serious form of pneumonia and is less than half Hillary's age, if she were battling a serious form of pneumonia she likely wouldn't have been able to do that much. I'm a healthy male and was in my mid-twenties when I had a serious case of pneumonia. I could barely get out of bed to piss.

Even people who aren't sick can faint. Fainting is not often a sign of a serious health condition. But, combined with a mild case of pneumonia, it IS a sign that Hillary needs to dial back her schedule and relax more for a few days. You know, like a human.
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Yeah if this was a bad case of pneumonia she wouldn't be able to walk around let alone campaign.
 
Daria Morgendorffer said:
Not really a politics person but I hope she recovers, pneumonia is a bitch.
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Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.

10 Points Proving Hillary's Parkinson's Disease:

Incidents tied to Symptoms of Parkinson's
 
jeff_rigby said:
Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.
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It's super unethical and improper for a doctor to "confirm" a diagnosis on a patient he has never personally met, let alone examined. And apparently the dude is an anesthesiologist. Parkinson's or other neurological disorders are not his specialty. Get out with this conspiracy-level nonsense.

May as well post the Snopes link too.... http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-has-parkinsons-disease/

Read and make up your own mind.
 
Brisal73 said:
She doesn't have pneumonia.
They, aka the media should never be trusted. They originally said the cause was overheating.
Then the video came out.
Then they changed the narrative that it was pneumonia.
If it was pneumonia, why is she meeting with a little girl when leaves her daughter's apartment.

She has Parkinson's. They tried to hide it, by calling her health issues a conspiracy.
Now they are forced to report what happened because of the video.

Just now CNN started to blame Trump for not wishing her the best.

Bottom line stop trusting the mainstream media.
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I don't care (in terms of voting). She could be in coma come election day, and she still would be the better choice than Trump.
 
jeff_rigby said:
Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.

10 Points Proving Hillary's Parkinson's Disease:

Incidents tied to Symptoms of Parkinson's
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Sure, she has had Parksinsons and nobody caught that in all her years in public service until now beside some random dude on Youtube. You can't be serious?
 
WhateverItTakes said:
So she'll take next week off. Unfortunately, during that time, a Robot Hillary, a Cyborg Hillary, a Kid Hillary, and an Alien Hillary, all cause destruction by campaigning across America.

When all hope seems lost, the real Hillary comes back, with a mullet that spurs her on to win the election.

Bill will probably need saving from a tall building at some point in all this.
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Is Trump Doomsday then?
 
skullmuffins said:
It's super unethical and improper for a doctor to "confirm" a diagnosis on a patient he has never personally met, let alone examined. And apparently the dude is an anesthesiologist. Parkinson's or other neurological disorders are not his specialty. Get out with this conspiracy-level nonsense.

May as well post the Snopes link too.... http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-has-parkinsons-disease/

Read and make up your own mind.
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Didn't they do they same thing for Antonin Scalia? A doctor diagnosed him dead from a heart attack over the phone?

/conspiracy thickens lol
 
jeff_rigby said:
Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.

10 Points Proving Hillary's Parkinson's Disease:

Incidents tied to Symptoms of Parkinson's
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Went all the way huh
 
jeff_rigby said:
Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.

10 Points Proving Hillary's Parkinson's Disease:

Incidents tied to Symptoms of Parkinson's
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Could I get a rough estimate of how many hours of InfoWars you read in an average week?
 
jeff_rigby said:
Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.

10 Points Proving Hillary's Parkinson's Disease:

Incidents tied to Symptoms of Parkinson's
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I understand your frustration towards Hillary.

To be fair, it IS Hillary who has prevented Sony from releasing the ps4 firmware update that unlocks UHD movie support.
 
jeff_rigby said:
Primary cause of death for people who have Parkinson's is Pneumonia. Throat muscles can't coordinate when swallowing and saliva goes down the wrong way. This causes coughing fits.

Rather long video with a MD speculating HRC has Parkinson's for between 5-10 years. Hopefully for 10 years as that means a slower progression. Watch and make up your own mind.

10 Points Proving Hillary's Parkinson's Disease:

Incidents tied to Symptoms of Parkinson's
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You just made my day a little bit better, thanks for the laughs.
 
WhateverItTakes said:
Nah, that's the pneumonia. She contracted it to save the whole US from the disease.

I'm gonna need Slayven or someone else from DCGaf to find the Trump analogue. But it certainly ain't Lex Luthor, that dude was actually competent.
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More like Kancer, Superman once got colon cancer, they cut it out and it became sentient

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Pneumonia is some serious shit. I was out of action for three weeks in 2014 from it. Even when I returned to work I felt weak and short of breath all the time.
 
Rigby's video is complete trash. Being an MD anesthesiologist with years of experience does not automatically qualify one to make neurological diagnoses.

Notice none of the conspiracy videos do what would be the most intellectually honest and obvious thing to do - show videos of people with an actual PD/Parkinsonism presentation and compare it to Hillary. Instead, we get the occasional weird momentary clips of Hillary producing something non-experts consider *must* be a medical anomaly. People are finding all these weird one-off things that might possibly sort of kind of overlap with PD, but no one is able to produce evidence of the actual criteria that does the heavy-lifting in a PD diagnosis.

If Hillary has PD based on the criteria these crackpots are putting out, then almost every elderly person has PD. This is, obviously, really shitty and sloppy logic.

Watch and make up your own mind.
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Medicine isn't that simple. We don't get the to "crowd source" the diagnosis of an illness. A room full of laymen doesn't suddenly reach a threshold where it's more qualified than an actual neurologist.
 
hammysaurusrex said:
Rigby's video is complete trash. Being an MD anesthesiologist with years of experience does not automatically qualify one to make neurological diagnoses.

Notice none of the conspiracy videos do what would be the most intellectually honest and obvious thing to do - show videos of people with an actual PD/Parkinsonism presentation and compare it to Hillary. Instead, we get the occasional weird momentary clips of Hillary producing something non-experts consider *must* be a medical anomaly. People are finding all these weird one-off things that might possibly sort of kind of overlap with PD, but no one is able to produce evidence of the actual criteria that does the heavy-lifting in a PD diagnosis.

If Hillary has PD based on the criteria these crackpots are putting out, then almost every elderly person has PD. This is, obviously, really shitty and sloppy logic.



Medicine isn't that simple. We don't get the to "crowd source" the diagnosis of an illness. A room for of laymen doesn't suddenly reach a threshold where it's more qualified than an actual neurologist.
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What are you even talking about?? I spent YEARS as a dentist and can tell you with compete confidence that based on my expert opinion, Hillary's got the heebee jeebies and belongs in a retirement home!!
 
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