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Forza Horizon 3: Review Thread
- Thread starter Bits N Pieces
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True but my mother has an opinion about rap music, doesn't mean she should be hired to write articles about how terrible it is. Or should she seeing as it's just an opinion, that music back in her days was so much better, just because. That does not create discourse more like a monologue. Educated opinions is what we need, not opinions.
I agree. We need different opinions. I like Tom Chicks review on Forza Horizon 2, you can see the issues he argues, I disagree but I know why he dislikes it and if I never played the game I would know, what makes it a bad game in his opinion. We don't need it's not like Dirt Rally. If he argued simulation would make it a better game, because of such and such reason I could get behind him.
I've never gotten into Forza or racing games in general, but I loved me some Burnout Paradise for the open-world aspect of it. Seems to me like the Horizon franchise is similar for open world, albeit on country roads as opposed to a city. Horizon 3 has peaked my interest being on PC & all. When racing, do you get giant >>> arrows etc. that obstruct your path, or can you take any path you want to reach the finish line? I'll be watching some gameplay videos tonight but I'm at work and a bit curious at the moment.
On the topic of the early access bonus thing, I think it's a very valid criticism that needs to be brought up, but it shouldn't affect review scores at all.
On the topic of the early access bonus thing, I think it's a very valid criticism that needs to be brought up, but it shouldn't affect review scores at all.
The FBI will raid your house. Don't do it.
Not worried about that
It's more online account stuff can always be stupid, I don't want to get banned or anything.
Not worried about that
It's more online account stuff can always be stupid, I don't want to get banned or anything.
At least half of Xbox GAF would be banned by now.
Not worried about that
It's more online account stuff can always be stupid, I don't want to get banned or anything.
i live in australia and i don't own any games bought from the Australian store. we can go down together
SmartWaffles
Member
There are checkpoints in races, but how to get to the next checkpoint is up to you. In free roaming there are minimal limit on where you can go, other than things obvious like you cant drive into people.
XD
Okay sounds good. I haven't done anything with xbox since the 360, have been all PC so don't know all the tricks.
Not sure how you can attribute value to something you buy, but you don't actually know what you're getting, at least in terms of the car pass.
That said, I don't think the issue lies with the company offering it, more with the people who are willing to pony up and buy it.
billythemule
Member
It does affect the game by delaying it ONLY for those who don't pony up the money. It also, like you say, removes some ''immaterial extras''. Why am I even explaining this to someone who uses a nuclear power plant as a comparison SMH.
SmartWaffles
Member
They have a set release date, early access let you play the game, you know, early. It is not a "delay". Hell 23rd is a Friday not a Tuesday.
Great, thanks!
I think there's an interesting discussion to be had around supply and demand here. If your local games store was open 24 hours, the likelhood is there would be people who used it, irrespective of the time of the day, but if it wasn't people wouldn't feel hard done by if they had to wait until 0900 the following day.
The fact that it is open does have a function on demand, but is this just based on the time (i.e. those people would still buy the next day) or is the hype so real that more people would buy the game earlier (even if that is a premium price).
I'm sure MS have thought this through and it is a worthy practice financially (it's the first time I have ever spent 80 quid on anything game related apart from a console), but I knew it was going to be an outstanding product and I want to support my local AAA devs.
I wouldn't do it for any game, but by opening up that possibility, there is clearly the opportunity to make more money out of FH fanbois like me.
Oh shit. Looks like I could grab an early copy of the game today at a retailer. Ultimate Edition tho and I already have that preordered digitally. Should I double dip and pay 200 in sum for the game?
No?
Except those buying it before 0900 wouldn't pay more.
Definitely, it's a cunning strategy, they know how impatient gamers are, it's clear that people will pay, even for a few days extra, it's telling that the early access version is also only available with the very top tier product, that also comes with all the other trinkets.
I'm a realist though, I understand business, and it makes sense for them to do this because they are guaranteed more revenue without actually doing anything.
Oh shit. Looks like I could grab an early copy of the game today at a retailer. Ultimate Edition tho and I already have that preordered digitally. Should I double dip and pay 200 in sum for the game?
It depends. How much do you hate yourself and money?
billythemule
Member
The early access is a package deal along with the VIP and car passes. I am positive that it convinces quite a lot of people to buy into it who otherwise wouldn't if it wasn't for the early access.
Timed exclusives and 30 day early access muddies things a little bit because some of this exclusive content was paid for and developed specifically because of that deal. Of course, I don't approve of exclusive content in general so if I were judge, I would dock points for that or make a note of that in the review depending on the case. In Horizon 3's case, the game was delayed by 3 days for the benefit of premium users which is bad IMO.
I'm not sure. If I do it, I would give away the UE bonuses. That would help me to justify the purchase. lol
Easily. FH3 runs at 1080p/30fps on the 1.3TF Xbox One, your GPU is like 3.2TF. So you could run it at 60fps with significantly better graphics.
billythemule
Member
The early access IS the release date. The game is finished at that point and you have access to all of its features. The official ''release date'' is just an arbitrarily picked number.
ScientificPizza
Banned
It's not being delayed. If the early version of the game didn't exist it would still be releasing on a Tuesday.
Also the extras you get are far from immaterial
You can't! They're not extra codes or anything, they're tied to the purchase
I am surprised more console games haven't jumped on the same bandwagon, it's free money for them!
You could always cancel the digital copy, unless you plan on playing on PC as well?Oh shit. Looks like I could grab an early copy of the game today at a retailer. Ultimate Edition tho and I already have that preordered digitally. Should I double dip and pay 200 in sum for the game?
And I would pay for it when I'm hyped for the game. That being said, video games are the only things I really buy these days and I'm not really busting my budget by doing so. In case of FH3 it's really all a bit extreme as I love the series and every entry was my personal GOTY when they came out.
1. If they buy into it just for the early access, then there is an old saying about a fool and their money.
2. And please, don't tell me CoD wouldn't have the same DLC if Sony wasn't paying for timed DLC exclusive (or the COD4 remaster). Please. But at least you agree to be consistent about it.
3. Right, the game was delayed by 3 days, because games are always released on a Friday, esp in NA. (excluding Nintendo of course). There was no "delay" at all. Games release on a Tuesday, this game was ready before now, the date picked for release factors in a lot of things, not just if the game is "ready" There was no delay in the game because MS trying to get people to buy the Ultimate Edition.
That's not how it works. Plenty of console ports have been complete trainwrecks on PC.
ScientificPizza
Banned
There'll be a PC demo at release so it'd probably be better to wait
Min rec is a 970, but also all of the Xbox PC recs have been a lot higher than they've needed to be so far, so it's possible you could scrape by.
But honestly I would wait the few extra days for the demo to see how it runs
In the physical copy? I'm sure there are codes in there.
Yes. Wanna play it on PC as well.
I haven't got the time to play the games I've already got, so waiting a few days extra isn't a big deal.
ScientificPizza
Banned
honestly i've been so wrapped up in the digital release i almost forgot there was a physical copy
so yeah you're totally right
billythemule
Member
But that's only half the point. The purpose of the early access is to goad people into paying more so they can play the game earlier.
The remark about the immaterial extras was sarcasm.
GlamFM
Banned
Oh shit. Looks like I could grab an early copy of the game today at a retailer. Ultimate Edition tho and I already have that preordered digitally. Should I double dip and pay 200 in sum for the game?
Nein
You just don't want me to start early while you have to wait until friday
Didn't you also buy two copies?
And plenty haven't. But you're right, it's better to wait until actual performance numbers are in.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Well, yeah. That's very transparent. And also really a nonissue? Selling a premium product with exclusive features isn't inherently evil. It's just preorder culture. I don't know if you've noticed, but it's been happening for awhile
billythemule
Member
1. Consumer protection laws are in place to protect the fools. I don't think we should promote anti-consumer behavior by developers and their publishers.
2. I have no idea about that DLC. I only know that exclusive content has been paid for by both Sony and Microsoft in the past.
3. I don't care about official release dates. The game was released early in this case, for those who paid extra, that's all there is to it. This ''games always release on Tuesday'' isn't the case anymore.
Oh, I didn't know there would be a demo. When is it available?
billythemule
Member
And I dislike it every time! Do you remember when Deus Ex MD's pre-order bonuses where changed to benefit everyone instead of you having to choose what you got (and what you didn't get)? Well, they changed it because it turns out people don't like that sort of thing. I don't like early access that is sold for a premium for games that are clearly finished. Maybe it's not the worst type of offence that a developer/publisher can make but it's clearly intended to take advantage of hype and the lack of reviews.
ScientificPizza
Banned
I don't know that there's a hard date on it yet, the last article I read said it would be after launch. I'd hope it'd be on launch day, though, but that's just speculation
1. LOL if you think this is anything that comes close in the same hemisphere as violating any type of "consumer protection law"
2. still don't see how you can try to spin that it's ok in this case as it's "paid for" but early access isn't. Maybe if it wasn't for all the hyped people paying the extra $40 for the Ultimate Edition for Forza 6, MS wouldn't have even contracted out to Playground again for FH3. I mean after all FH2 didn't sell that well.
3. If you don't care about official release dates, why have this discussion? Yep people who paid extra got to play it early. Guess what? I went on a cruise last summer. People on it paid extra for concierge level. They not only got better rooms, but got the ability to book excursions before everyone else, got to have their own lounge with "free" (lol) booze, got to be the first ones to board the ship, no waiting in line, etc.
This kind of "benefit" happens in many industries, don't try to act like it's some violation of law, anti-consumer, blah blah blah. You are making a mountain out of an anthill.
ScientificPizza
Banned
But in this case the review embargo was lifted days before the early release version of the game was released (as evidenced by this thread). If that weren't the case, I could see the complaints for it, but it hasn't been that way. As far as I know reviewers also have the PC copy now, so the only *real* untested thing is multiplayer and a large scale.
If this had been done dirty I'd get it, but everything about this has been on the up and up as far as I can see. I can understand why you wouldn't like the concept, but labelling it anti-consumer is too far imo
Sometime after the launch.
MilkyJoe
Member
4 days... 4 little days...
That, my friend, is the reason for the nuclear plant. 4 days means nothing
Let's just handle it on a case-by-case basis. People didn't like what they were doing with Deus Ex and voiced their opinion as such, while popular opinion seems to have no issue with this or Forza 6 releasing the ultimate editions earlier, and reviews were allowed well ahead of even the ultimate edition release date.