Star Citizen Alpha 2.0 | The 'Verse Awakens
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People don't care.
Because they don't care, all you get is those that enjoy shitting up threads.
Cabbagehead
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Right
On the other hand. The Order would look smoking if it was on PC. Because they wouldn't have had to use as much visual film trickery and post process to hide the bad elements of the game and in regards to model detail.
But yeah what they pulled off on console was pretty darn good looking. Though i will say that Quantum Break showed how to do it far better. In more instances then not and on a high level.
Do i have to explain the emote...at the end?
Thanks for the correction.
Zalusithix
Member
I don't disagree that it's interesting information, but face it, GAF as a whole isn't all that receptive to SC news. Part of that is due to the console centric nature of the forum. Then there's the not insignificant portion that dislikes crowdfunding. If the news is major, the positive impressions can outweigh the negative tangents, but stuff like this? Just tends to give a new avenue for people to lodge their "concerns" among other things.
Cabbagehead
Member
Exactly.
It seems like only major things from this project will shut people up. If it's near all in compassing in regards to information, video and detail...aka project overview type stuff. Meaning things like CitizenCon or Gamecom. Then nine times out of ten those thread will be filled with real questions, good discussions and not just shit posts.
I mean those shit post and drive by crap are the reason those threads even get to those high number of pages. Half the time.
Dictator93
Member
I guess like some idiot, I just want to believe in the good of this forum.
Perhaps I should start drinking my ear grey tea a bit hotter...
Zalusithix
Member
The forum is good. Mostly. It's just that between the console focus and genre preferences, there's only so many people that will care enough to post in such a thread in a positive way. Assuming they even open it in the first place. The minority that has an axe to grind for one reason or another, however, will take any opportunity to make themselves heard. This wouldn't be bad if it didn't require a constant defense to counteract. (And if this election has proven anything, it's that you need to counteract misinformation, lest other people start assuming it's the truth.)
Cabbagehead
Member
It's like i'm reading some holy script about the reality of things. It's perfect.
Plus you have the moment were counteraction is then seen as being a shill or a fanboy or whatever else. Even though one may be trying to provide legitimate information. Yet the other party are stubborn or unresponsive to these bird droppings.That's when it becomes clear that, the discussion has reached shit mountain level and it may reach new heights, hence most of the threads on neogaf. In relation to a specific game start getting triple the pages in five minutes.
aka the Echo Chamber...
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=217688405&posted=1#post217688405
Enjoy. Nothing too exciting this time.
Xplatformer
Member
Really cool to hear they're working with the people that did Ryse on the heads as well, thought they did a great job there even in gameplay
Although Im not sure how expressive SC gameplay characters will be since alot of times they'll be in helmets
I doubt when I'm walking around on Terra I'll be in a helmet. I mean, it'd defeat the purpose of me being able to make a character that looks like me.
Sure, but I guess I'm more referring to all of the work they are doing on expressions for the faces-- hopefully we can convey those in meaningful ways in the social areas.
Also it would be awesome if we could have this happen whenever we pulled off our helmets lol
Cabbagehead
Member
Sure, but I guess I'm more referring to all of the work they are doing on expressions for the faces-- hopefully we can convey those in meaningful ways in the social areas.
Also it would be awesome if we could have this happen whenever we pulled off our helmets lol
I don't know if you know but...lets just say that those animations for player character heads aren't for a specific actor to play out.
(SOE had this tech before they were sold. Which was integrated into Everquest)
http://imperialnews.network/2016/09/reverse-the-verse-episode-2-06-summary/
Live Driver (Imagemetric YT it), VOIP in relation to voice to character model speech, and Text to voice have been looked into.
This looks insane.
Cabbagehead
Member
Neogaf is a lot more receptive than other websites I've been to. The hate and contempt people seem to have for Star Citizen is almost surreal. Like, how can anyone be that passionate about hating a video game?
At least here even the worst Star Citizen naysayers are mostly polite and give out reasons. And when there is a major event, the thread gets pretty damn popular. I'd say we have it pretty well here.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
How long till we get a game that lets us scan our own faces on to our character models?
Cabbagehead
Member
Well check out those sports games from EA and 2K they have that with varying degrees of success. (it's usually bad)
They talk about it in the video actually and think its possible but figure that most people would be using webcams or other setups that wouldn't match the fidelity in the game, as seen in other games that have supported it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoMxR0GVyLc
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Oh snap, yeah, I remember that now lol.
Thanks. Watching now. EDIT: I should say finishing now, I started it earlier and forgot to finish lol.
I hope they release the character creator as it's on module to let people try it out, then let's us import what we've made into SQ42.
Because it always takes between an 1 hour and 40 mins to 2 hours to make myself in games that have the option, and i always feel a little rushed because i've already spent so much time just on that. And just want to get on with the game.
*sigh* But after watching the whole thing, i am concerned that's it's not going to be as detailed a character creator as eve online and BDO are. (I haven't played either, but have watched vids of em)
I have thing where i have to make myself exactly in games that let you, and have never been able.
And i was really hoping that Star Citizen's character creator would finally allow me to.
Sorry for the poorly worded post, it's late and i've should have done this earlier.
Because it always takes between an 1 hour and 40 mins to 2 hours to make myself in games that have the option, and i always feel a little rushed because i've already spent so much time just on that. And just want to get on with the game.
That video was really good. All that tech is amazeballs
*sigh* But after watching the whole thing, i am concerned that's it's not going to be as detailed a character creator as eve online and BDO are. (I haven't played either, but have watched vids of em)
I have thing where i have to make myself exactly in games that let you, and have never been able.
And i was really hoping that Star Citizen's character creator would finally allow me to.
Sorry for the poorly worded post, it's late and i've should have done this earlier.
Zalusithix
Member
We don't have it overly negative here, but that's different from having a community that's actively excited about relatively minor news. Additionally, I'd say the reason that we're as well off as we are here is in part due to the actions of the few to constantly address questions and correct misinformation. If the naysayers were never addressed, I'd wager that the general attitude towards the game would be much more negative. This requires the fan base to be on alert every time there's a new thread though, and that can understandably be tiring.
It won't be as detailed. But you also won't be able to make abhorrent monsters with it.
Think the Witcher 3 vs something like Fallout4. The former has really nice looking faces for all characters, even the lowliest NPC where as the latter had the world populated by rubber dummies.
Witcher 3 used the same idea they talked about in the video about mixing and matching high quality assets to create new faces. As a result they all animated and looked nice, even if they didn't have the same volume of possibility.
Zalusithix
Member
This is critical. The advanced character editors in modern MMOs allow a huge range of adjustments to allow the creation of many different bodies and faces. On the flip side, they also allow people to make crazily deformed creatures. I really don't want to see that shit in SC. It's annoying enough in fantasy MMOs.
Xane
Member
Personally, I take a simple selection of good looking templates with various additive elements for a few thousand permutations over limitless sliders that enable abhorrent creations with disgusting color palettes that tank my immersion.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Why are questioning my Shrek in space RP character?
The faces look amazing. The only question remains as to whether it's going to look good when we morph them to what we want to look at. During the interview I can't tell if they are waffling, excited, or unsure about what they possibly have yet to do regarding face manipulation.
He sort of says oh yeah Black Desert does some cool stuff, but it's all really cosmetic. Possibly from that we can infer that proper facial structure customizability will be there, which would be pretty amazing. Def one of the draw backs of, say, FO4 or Skyrim is that all the characters in that game LOOK like they are from that game. Underneath the more cosmetic choices, the rig is essentially the same.
Nay sayers be damned, this is gonna knock socks off.
He sort of says oh yeah Black Desert does some cool stuff, but it's all really cosmetic. Possibly from that we can infer that proper facial structure customizability will be there, which would be pretty amazing. Def one of the draw backs of, say, FO4 or Skyrim is that all the characters in that game LOOK like they are from that game. Underneath the more cosmetic choices, the rig is essentially the same.
Nay sayers be damned, this is gonna knock socks off.
Certainly would prefer Angus Thermopyle to Shrek.
AtV 3.8 is up
Edit: Goddamn, that modular satellites and buildings section was fantastic.
https://a.pomf.cat/qdkzmf.webm
Edit: Goddamn, that modular satellites and buildings section was fantastic.
https://a.pomf.cat/qdkzmf.webm
Dictator93
Member
Yeah, great avatar.
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The section with Ivo Herzog was fantastic btw. I was really curious how they achieved the eye and head stabilisation, and well... now we know!
Zalusithix
Member
It was kind of nice having the 10ftC delay yesterday... I actually got to watch something at home as it came out for once. =P
Mercedes Benz magic chicken body stabilization commercial. Foundry 42 Germany. Coincidence???
https://youtu.be/69os9jzKF14
Just need to edit in some helmets and guns.
(That part at 0:16 with the three facing to the right could work, lol)
Herzog reminded me of Carmack. Lots of interesting stuff being delivered at a good pace during that segment.
apav
Member
For some reason they set it to private when they uploaded it, the only way you could see it was embedded on its news article on the RSI site. Now that same page has a YouTube video embedded instead. I guess it's no longer possible to watch it on Vimeo.
I understand they don't want Bethesda style abominations flying around the verse. I really do.
But i just want to make me. I don't want to be anyone else.
And now i'm afraid i'm not even going to be able to get my skin tone or hair style. Which is very important to me.
I've never been able to get my skin tone or hair in a game that offers them. (let alone my face just right) And it's really depressing.
I shouldn't have stalled making this post to the end of night again. because i'm frazzled, and all the things i wanted to say have flown completely out of my mind. So i apologise.
I hope you guys understand where i'm coming from.
Zalusithix
Member
Skin tone should be technically possible. That's just color modifications to textures. Hair isn't going to happen unless you have a fairly standard hair style. There's just too many hair styles and coloring techniques out there.
I must say, I never wanted my characters to look like me in games. Hell, these days they're not even the same sex as me (though that'll change for SC).
apav
Member
They didn't really outright answer when the question was asked, but didn't they say it will be similar to Black Desert's level of customization?
Maybe they're not saying much because they don't know yet for sure and they won't know until they start working on the actual character creation system for players. But in a game like this, with the technology they are using and the level of immersion and detail they're trying to achieve, I'm optimistic it will be pretty robust.
Zalusithix
Member
They said the opposite. It won't be like BD where you have set bases that you then edit vertex data on. Instead it'll be mixing and matching of different parts of scanned heads. They want to avoid the pitfalls of the BD style creation system.
Dictator93
Member
You know for Citcon we are going to have to do a video conference now, right?
Big investigative article on Star Citizen's development: http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/09/23/inside-the-troubled-development-of-star-citizen
apav
Member
I stand corrected. I rewatched that part. So not exactly like Black Desert's, but I'm not convinced customization will just be selecting a preset or combining facial features of other presets.
https://youtu.be/I2SBYtj9pis?t=1613
"you can select the cheekbone, move it around and do stuff like that"
https://youtu.be/I2SBYtj9pis?t=1680
"the animation doesn't need to care where the eye/mouth positioning actually is"
Sounds to me like they're saying you can do more advanced editing. If you can move around features like the cheekbone, eyes, and mouth, why wouldn't you be able to alter things like lip size, jaw width, nose bridge height, etc? I could be wrong though.
Zalusithix
Member
Because they don't want this running around the verse:
With great flexibility comes responsibility. Something users have proven incapable of handling. =P
apav
Member
Because they don't want this running around the verse:
With great flexibility comes responsibility. Something users have proven incapable of handling. =P
Yikes. Well, they could allow that level customization but limit to what degree you can change things. So edited features could be anywhere from subtle to noticeable, but always within the range of what a normal, non deformed human being looks like.
Dictator93
Member
Read through it while taking a short break from thesis-work (which is draining away my soul SC-GAF). A great read.