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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)

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The video is pretty worthless aside from the dialogue. Maybe stabilization will help

phanphare said:
I didn't watch the video but do you think she's alternating between yelling at her husband and telling the police officer not to do it, "it" being shoot him?
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She's saying "Keith" before the "Don't do it"s but she might just mean not comply or resist or whatever.
 
whatever the officer dropped i dont think was a gun.

1. why would you drop a gun like that. maybe kick, but not drop.
2. it looked like it flopped in the wind, like a glove.

edit: msnbc also saying they were gloves on the ground.

cops fucked up by the looks of things.
 
EdibleKnife said:
Here it is: http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004667027/video-keith-scott-police-shooting-charlotte.html
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Hooooly shit.

Man. So many questions. So MANY fucking questions.

So the black cop was the closest to him, that much we see. The other officer with the red was taking cover. There were NO witnesses in that footage who were anywhere near as close as the wife. If he had a traumatic brain injury why was he (potentially) driving the car? He came out of the driver's seat. Also, why the hell did the cops close in on him so tightly? They all got waaaaaay too close to an assumed dangerous man and made the situation worse and more tense.

Now the wife was saying he had no gun, told him to come out, but then she started yelling "Keith, don't you do it. don't you do it!" She said it many times over. Do what? Did he or did he not have a gun? Why was the wife so panicked about him not doing something? Edit: Was she yelling it to the cops? What a crazy situation./Edit. At 1:06 you can see came out of the car, after about 3-4 seconds of them yelling to drop the gun, he got shot down, and he's about 20 feet away from the car door. Now, they were extremely close to the guy where they could see what's in his hands for sure.

Still, the dash cam from the last car that pulled up in front of the wife should hold the final answers, imo.
 
The most heartbreaking thing from that transcript is just how hard his wife was working to keep him alive, and even though it's just text I can see how devastating it was he got shot. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch that video and hear it in her voice
 
Kinitari said:
The most heartbreaking thing from that transcript is just how hard his wife was working to keep him alive, and even though it's just text I can see how devastating it was he got shot. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch that video and hear it in her voice
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I wish i didn't watch it but I felt I had to
 
AlphaSnake said:
Hooooly shit.

Man. So many questions. So MANY fucking questions.

So the black cop was the closest to him, that much we see. The other officer with the red was taking cover. There were NO witnesses in that footage who were anywhere near as close as the wife. If he had a traumatic brain injury why was he (potentially) driving the car? He came out of the driver's seat. Also, why the hell did the cops close in on him so tightly? They all got waaaaaay too close to an assumed dangerous man and made the situation worse and more tense.

Now the wife was saying he had no gun, told him to come out, but then she started yelling "Keith, don't you do it. don't you do it!" She said it many times over. Do what? Did he or did he not have a gun? Why was the wife so panicked about him not doing something? At 1:06 you can see came out of the car, after about 3-4 seconds of them yelling to drop the gun, he got shot down, and he's about 20 feet away from the car door. Now, they were extremely close to the guy where they could see what's in his hands for sure.

Still, the dash cam from the last car that pulled up in front of the wife should hold the final answers, imo.
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Brain injuries aren't all the same, my next door neighbour suffers from a brain injury. He doesn't responed well to people as in he doesn't get emotions etc, but he can drive perfectly. I think she was saying don't do it as in don't let them smash the window etc. She was trying to save the guys life.
 
Beefy said:
Brain injuries aren't all the same also I think she was saying don't do it as in don't let them smash the window etc. She was trying to save the guys life.
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Yeah, it's hard to figure out who she's saying those words to. The cops or him? Really confusing shit. Ultimately, we still gotta see that final video of HOW he gets out of the car and what he does prior to the shots.
 
Incognito said:
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Fuck everything, man...
 
marrec said:
So what you're saying is it doesn't match some bits from the 15 second interview done with the brother, who doesn't appear to have been a witness.

That's a bit different from "This seem to go completely against the family story they put out there."
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You are right. I edited the post to just talk about the brother story.

Beefy said:
Brain injuries aren't all the same, my next door neighbour suffers from a brain injury. He doesn't responed well to people as in he doesn't get emotions etc, but he can drive perfectly. I think she was saying don't do it as in don't let them smash the window etc. She was trying to save the guys life.
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Yeah it does explain the way the guy acted. Insane the cop didnt release this video day one. I would have stop a lot of the riots IMO and maybe that other person wouldnt have been killed.
 
Just rolled up and killed somebody they weren't even after. His wife is right there, pleading with them.

We still obviously need a better vantage point, but there's no better method of conflict resolution than this?
 
AlphaSnake said:
Yeah, it's hard to figure out who she's saying those words to. The cops or him? Really confusing shit. Ultimately, we still gotta see that final video of HOW he gets out of the car and what he does prior to the shots.
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Which is why the chief saying it won't be released has got me thinking they fucked up.
 
Kinitari said:
The most heartbreaking thing from that transcript is just how hard his wife was working to keep him alive, and even though it's just text I can see how devastating it was he got shot. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch that video and hear it in her voice
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Yeah I really don't understand how the heck those cops don't make sure the suspect stays alive. What the fuck is wrong with them? Do they just not care at all?
 
USC-fan said:
They had video of the whole time. Insane....

This seems to go completely against the brother story he put out there. The wife telling him not to do it and he still does it. She stated he on meds so maybe that what happen. The cops are clearly telling him to drop the gun many times.
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The wife is telling the cops "don't you do it" as in "don't shoot him."

Pretty obvious: she is trying to get her brain-injured husband to come out of the car peacefully, so why would she be saying "don't you do it" to him?
 
Hubbl3 said:
His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun". How did you arrive on him having a gun?
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This video doesn't prove whether he does or doesn't have a gun.

The cops are saying he does have one, the wife claims he doesn't. I don't think the wife is close enough to see.
 
Hubbl3 said:
His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun". How did you arrive on him having a gun?
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What? "To see him saying 'He doesn't have a gun'"

Who is the "him" that said he doesn't have a gun? I'm not understanding your sentence.
 
Randolph Freelander said:
Just rolled up and killed somebody they weren't even after. His wife is right there, pleading with them.

We still obviously need a better vantage point, but there's no better method of conflict resolution than this?
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Yeah, I don't think this even constitutes token effort at conflict resolution. Surrounding a man with guns pointed at him while screaming is escalation, not resolution.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
What? "To see him saying 'He doesn't have a gun'"

Who is the "him" that said he doesn't have a gun? I'm not understanding your sentence.
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Are you just tired? He was perfectly clear. The wife was saying the husband did not have a gun.
dave is ok said:
This video doesn't prove whether he does or doesn't have a gun.

The cops are saying he does have one, the wife claims he doesn't. I don't think the wife is close enough to see.
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Considering it's his WIFE and not a stranger on the street, she's in the best possible position to know.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Are you just tired? He was perfectly clear. The wife was saying the husband did not have a gun.
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What? No, it doesn't seem clear to me from that sentence. I watched the video and I only know of the wife saying he doesn't have a gun. That poster said this: "His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun".

To see who saying what? I only know of the wife saying he doesn't have a gun. Or did the husband say he doesn't have a gun on him? In which case that quote makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't.

Edit: Did the husband say he doesn't have a gun? I'm confusing what this poster said because I'm trying to figure out who the "him" is.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
What? "To see him saying 'He doesn't have a gun'"

Who is the "him" that said he doesn't have a gun? I'm not understanding your sentence.
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I'm not having the same problem with that sentence that you seem to be.

Condom said:
But it's a human being. A living being. Someone with a family, friends, coworkers, ambitions, a life. I really don't get this...
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why do you think we have to say Black Lives Matter? (not trying to be contentious)
 
His wife likely knew about his history of shooting at cops. That's probably what she was telling him not to do. And considering his criminal history, the handgun was likely illegal.

She was sure worried about him doing something. I somehow doubt she was worried he was going to throw his "book" at them.... It's extremely easy to figure it out unless you're willfully dense.
 
Either

1. Guy with a traumatic brain injury has a gun, is told multiple times to drop it. He does not/he points it at officers. He is shot.

2. Cops pull up on random dude reading a book, start screaming at him to drop a gun he doesn't have (in order to create plausible deniability?), all while being filmed by both their own bodycams and his wife who is screaming at them that she is filming. Positioning themselves in a way to obscure all cameras showing that he's actually holding a book. Smash his windows, shoot him, plant a gun and remove the book.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
What? No, it doesn't seem clear to me from that sentence. I watched the video and I only know of the wife saying he doesn't have a gun. That poster said this: "His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun".

To see who saying what? I only know of the wife saying he doesn't have a gun. Or did the husband say he doesn't have a gun on him? In which case that quote makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't.

Edit: Did the husband say he doesn't have a gun? I'm confusing what this poster said because I'm trying to figure out who the "him" is.
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Jesus Christ.

His wife is standing close enough to see him, saying "He doesn't have a gun"
 
Condom said:
Yeah I really don't understand how the heck those cops don't make sure the suspect stays alive. What the fuck is wrong with them? Do they just not care at all?
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The person killed in this case was not a suspect he was just an innocent bystander who was minding his business than they escalated things and killed him.
 
Fourth Stooge said:
His wife likely knew about his history of shooting at cops. That's probably what she was telling him not to do. And considering his criminal history, the handgun was likely illegal.

She was sure worried about him doing something. I somehow doubt she was worried he was going to throw his "book" at them.... It's extremely easy to figure it out unless you're willfully dense.
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what the fuck are you talking about.
 
Fourth Stooge said:
His wife likely knew about his history of shooting at cops. That's probably what she was telling him not to do. And considering his criminal history, the handgun was likely illegal.

She was sure worried about him doing something. I somehow doubt she was worried he was going to throw his "book" at them.... It's extremely easy to figure it out unless you're willfully dense.
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LOL, what???

Is this a joke post or account suicide?
 
Condom said:
Yeah I really don't understand how the heck those cops don't make sure the suspect stays alive. What the fuck is wrong with them? Do they just not care at all?
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Watch any police shooting. They don't care. They take their time getting help if they get help at all before the suspect dies.
 
Infinite said:
I'm not having the same problem with that sentence that you seem to be.
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His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun".
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The wife said "He doesn't have a gun." No one else said it in the recording. The sentence above said she stood close enough to hear someone else say it. She was the one saying it.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
What? No, it doesn't seem clear to me from that sentence. I watched the video and I only know of the wife saying he doesn't have a gun. That poster said this: "His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun".

To see who saying what? I only know of the wife saying he doesn't have a gun. Or did the husband say he doesn't have a gun on him? In which case that quote makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't.
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Yes, I see he did have a typo (missing punctuation). Let me fix it for him:

"His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun". How did you arrive on him having a gun?"

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"His wife is standing close enough to see her husband and she is saying, "he doesn't have a gun!" So how did you conclude that he actually has a gun, absent video evidence showing a gun?"
 
I find it strange that the Officer is yelling "Drop the Gun" followed by the wife asking him "Get out of the Car" [before they break the windows] and the cop is asking for a baton.

Really need to see video where the man shot was during this entire conversation, if he was in or out, and when.
 
I'm not watching the video, so maybe you all can help with this - what are the odds that he did have a gun, and his wife was trying to protect him by telling the police that he didn't? I feel like that's what some posters here are implying.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Yes, I see he did have a typo. Let me fix it for him:

"His wife is standing close enough to see him saying "He doesn't have a gun". How did you arrive on him having a gun?"

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"His wife is standing close enough to see her husband and she is saying, "he doesn't have a gun!" So how did you conclude that he actually has a gun, absent video evidence showing a gun?"
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Thanks. I wasn't losing it, then. It's all I was asking.
 
Fourth Stooge said:
His wife likely knew about his history of shooting at cops. That's probably what she was telling him not to do. And considering his criminal history, the handgun was likely illegal.

She was sure worried about him doing something. I somehow doubt she was worried he was going to throw his "book" at them.... It's extremely easy to figure it out unless you're willfully dense.
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There are so many people looking at your post history right now hoping this is some poorly worded attempt at satire, then seeing that it's not.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
Thanks. I wasn't losing it, then. It's all I was asking.
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It was only missing a comma, but that comma was fairly important for you to understand it. The rest of us added it because we were paying attention.

This modification should make it read fine:

His wife is standing close enough to see him, saying "He doesn't have a gun". How did you arrive on him having a gun?
 
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