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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)
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Ok I see.
Why the fuck would his WIFE not know whether her husband has a gun or not? She's not some random passerby.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
What's so hard to get man, seriously? They don't give a fuck. The only time most cops interact with black people is during a crime or perceived crime and that skews their perspective.
I'm tired man.. so tired. I've got 2 mixed kids that are close to being adults and I'm petrified that they will be a hashtag.
TheOfficeMut
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Ugh, of course it was? Are you trying to insinuate that I was being purposely obtuse and trying not to understand the situation? As I said I watched the video and the poster threw me for a loop because I thought he/she was suggesting that someone else said he doesn't have a gun.
EdibleKnife
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I don't know about odds but when the wife tells the cops that he doesn't have a gun, she sounds pretty serious and is using a tone that seems like she's trying to calm the cops down.
And with the way things are, the tragedy is that it is unlikely to be the last time. If it's not a wife it could be a child or neighbor or friend.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
You have cops standing a couple feet from him saying "Drop the gun" and his wife is standing a couple yards behind them saying "He doesn't have a gun".
I don't think she's saying that based on visuals, just probably her knowledge of him. Whether she's lying to try and protect him, who knows.
Yeah, I guess odds is a weird request. It sounds like you think the wife was being sincere though, which implies that the gun was planted by the police, right?
Disgusting post as well as calling people dense
Dreams-Visions
Member
As high as him not having a gun. We don't know these people to gauge their honesty here.
I feel like the cops are saying "Drop the gun," just because they want to have it on tape. A lot of these encounters feel really scripted on the cop's part. They are saying what they know people will need to hear, even influencing witnesses to make them second guess what they see.
Was there a gun found at the crime scene?
Thank you for clarifying that.
It read fine to me, but I could see how the comma would clarify that I was quoting her (even though she's the only person in the video saying it...).
EdibleKnife
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Thing is he might have had a gun which would have been his right. The key is whether or not he brandished it. As of now I think the wife is being sincere at least from her own knowledge that her husband didn't have one. Not that gun planting is an unlikely occurrence when there's another story bubbling right now about a cop who did plant a gun in 2011 and is only now being arrested.
It's just another example of a police force with no training or ability to deal with any situation that deviates in any way from obey. Police training in the US seems to be, always be aggressive, never back down, if they don't obey shoot them. Here is your badge and gun, focus on black people but be careful they can kill you at any moment.
yup something is up with that......why would they ask for a baton (to smash the window?), if the guy seemed armed and dangerous?
and I'm sure she didn't want him to stay in the car long enough for them to smash the window because it would cause a loud noise, cause her husband to flinch, to cause debris... enough that it might "cause" the officers to shoot..
Indeed.
kame-sennin
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Given the bizarre non-denials from the police chief and everything we've learned in the last two years, the second option is more likely.
But they didn't position themselves in a way to obscure cameras. The only non-police camera is simply too far to show his hands.
So many questions.
I mean, the wife should (?) know if her husband has a gun, right? So, if he didn't, where did the gun come from? If he did, did she know or not?
The bodycam video must be pretty bad.
OMG I just saw the video 
As for the "drop the gun" command, I will NOT believe that he had a gun until I see one or there is forensic evidence that he actually was holding one.
(And even if he did have a gun, he had to have put the officers in imminent danger (or reasonable fear, I can't remember the standard) for them to shoot and KILL him. Seems like the 2nd Amendment applies to everyone but black men)
I remember watching a video (can't remember if it was recent or an old YouTube clip) where the police were shouting to a black man to put down a gun (or something along those lines), only to justify shooting him. Seems like if you scream "put down the gun", that in and of itself is supposed to be the justification to use force. even if you never see a gun. I can scream at a teddy bear to put down the gun, too.
As for the "drop the gun" command, I will NOT believe that he had a gun until I see one or there is forensic evidence that he actually was holding one.
(And even if he did have a gun, he had to have put the officers in imminent danger (or reasonable fear, I can't remember the standard) for them to shoot and KILL him. Seems like the 2nd Amendment applies to everyone but black men)
I remember watching a video (can't remember if it was recent or an old YouTube clip) where the police were shouting to a black man to put down a gun (or something along those lines), only to justify shooting him. Seems like if you scream "put down the gun", that in and of itself is supposed to be the justification to use force. even if you never see a gun. I can scream at a teddy bear to put down the gun, too.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Police usually say code words when they don't have the presence of video..
Drop the gun.
He's reaching for something.
Stop resisting.
Etc.
Drop the gun.
He's reaching for something.
Stop resisting.
Etc.
I'm at work so I will watch the video later at home. However, I think I have the gist of it. I guess my thinking is: His wife was there. She emphatically told the cops that he didn't have a gun. I would tend to believe that he didn't. Why?
Because I am sure that she is wise to the fact that if you're black, and pose any PERCEIVED threat, they will gun you down. So I guess my thinking is that IF he had a gun, she would more likely have been begging her husband to drop said gun, as opposed to telling the cops that he didn't have one...right??
Because I am sure that she is wise to the fact that if you're black, and pose any PERCEIVED threat, they will gun you down. So I guess my thinking is that IF he had a gun, she would more likely have been begging her husband to drop said gun, as opposed to telling the cops that he didn't have one...right??
Dreams-Visions
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Probably, yes. We need that dash cam footage from the cop that rolled up at the end. The only one in a marked car with an actual uniform on.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yep, this is standard behavior so witnesses will back up their story. They're just yelling this to get away with whatever happens next.
Considering they still won't release the footage given the atmosphere currently in Charlotte my guess is it doesn't look good. If you have rioting because they believed he had a book when the police are saying it's a gun then release the footage that shows the gun. It's not complicated at all. Clearly the footage doesn't show that. Instead of owning up to the killing like they are doing in Tulsa,who released the footage of the dash cam and the helicopter footage the same/next day we keep hearing "we'll release it eventually." The police eventually are responsible for the rioting as they are letting it fester
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Y'all are so pathetic with this shit. At least take some hints from those that walk the line in here..stop being so blatant..
probably not the second time. maybe the second time this year.
kame-sennin
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I really don't think people are registering what it would be like to have this be your life. That out of nowhere people are surrounding you with weapons drawn yelling at you to do something exactly how they want.
Why was the wife yelling "dont do it?". I haven't seen the video, but I am curious what people's thoughts are on that specific comment from the wife.
Is she directing it at the cops or Keith?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
This is definitely a thing, but usually it's one quick yell before they open fire. They were yelling at him to drop the gun for a good 30+ seconds in this case which is strange
The thing is. Okay even if he had a gun. At what point is he really a threat. Just having it in the hand?
Seems to me you need to at let raise the gun in a threating matter before you can shoot IMO.
So just having the gun shouldn't mean you are a threat.
WTF. Why does it matter if he had a gun to begin with? If his hands are by his side. That not threatening position.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
If the police video clearly showed him with a gun, they would have released it already.
Dreams-Visions
Member
95% sure she's talking to the cops regarding shooting Keith. She wants her husband to cooperate. She does not want the cops to do it (shoot him).
I've watched the new video several times now and i must say that it raises questions about the official still picture of an alleged weapon on the ground. When i first saw the video, i gasped because my thought was that an officer could be seen, apparently, planting that weapon. And, i watched this video on msnbc, but an hour later cnn got a copy,but either the cnn video did not include the final seconds where that officer appear to throw an object on the ground or cnn choose not to show that last part of the video. Yikes.
Bam Chowder
Member
Just watched the video. I am heartbroken and sick, what in the fuck. My mom has a TBI and it makes me want to cry my eyes out thinking about her in this situation. Fuck those cops so much.
On the topic of the case (apologies in advance if this has been asked ad nauseam), are the cops claiming to be in possession of this supposed gun? Are there records of Keith being a gun owner?
On the topic of the case (apologies in advance if this has been asked ad nauseam), are the cops claiming to be in possession of this supposed gun? Are there records of Keith being a gun owner?
Of course, it would be his right to have a gun - I always forget that. Even if he had a gun, and I imagine it's an open carry state, it shouldn't have an effect on how the police interact with him unless he was brandishing it.
Basically, unless they can prove he was brandishing that gun, the shooting should be entirely unlawful.
Did you watch the video or just read the transcript. It is very clear in the video she is talking to her husband.
THIIIIIISSSSSSSS!!!!!!
Smash the window.
If that is the case... I can't even imagine what she is going through right now.
hmm
Completely agree and it clearly doesn't show that. We had a shooting here in St. Louis from 2011 where the footage was ordered sealed by a judge yet it got leaked by the local newspaper and it shows evidence that points to them planting a gun (cop is being charged with 1st degree murder)
Dreams-Visions
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I watched the video, duh. And it's very clear she is multitasking. She's talking to Keith and the cops, back and forth, rapidly. She wants Keith to get out of the car. She doesn't want Keith shot because she believes he doesn't have a gun, has taken his meds, and poses no threat.
This isn't rocket science. Don't you shoot Keith, while their weapons were drawn. That's the "it".
Oh I agree for sure, especially given that NC is an open carry state to begin with.
NC is open carry.
Yea shes talking to cop and husband, but those lines are definitely directed at husband. there really isnt anything up for debate here.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
I think it was because she said she was recording...
Here's a blog post that speaks on code words.
[http://vincent-sanzone.blogspot.com/2012/11/code-word-by-police-stop-resisting-and.html?m=1
Dreams-Visions
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Agreed.
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