EdibleKnife
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That's what I gathered too. She's crying out for Keith and telling the cops not to shoot aka. "Don't you do it"
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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)
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That's what I gathered too. She's crying out for Keith and telling the cops not to shoot aka. "Don't you do it"
it could be alot of things... but I doubt she would yell at the cops that he doesn't have a gun.... while saying to her husband "don't do it" in relation to doing something with a gun. If that makes sense.
it would put the lives of the officers in danger, and I'm sure it would get her in trouble.
she was very calm when she first said he didn't have a gun..... "he doesn't have a gun" as in don't worry about that part.
imo, when she says Keith don't do it... it might be something about maybe that he gets excited when things around him are crazy (if he has mental health issues).
So Keith just comply, and get out of the car.... instead of don't get excited like you usually do when you are scared.
that's one small reason..but. like I said, it could've been other reasons... BUT back to the first point, I doubt she was trying to put the lives of the cops in danger...or her own by lying to the cops.
She is telling them he doesn't have a gun, while also telling her husband to comply and get out of the car. Think about that.
Im not even talking about that line, im talking about the dont you do it Keith line. It is all 1 line.
it is not "dont you do it. Keith!!"
but why smash the window of someone who is supposedly holding a gun? Why be that close?
The bolded was my guess as well.
Of a man with a gun? They're that worried that he's a threat, but they're willing to smash the window and give the man an opportunity to use his weapon?
FreedomFighter
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Right. If their version of events is what they say it is, I don't understand why they would just release the video. This is Laquan McDonald all over again. Police say one thing, video is concealed for a whole year, then it's leaked to a reporter from someone inside and the whole world sees the cops lied. I'm getting that feeling again from this case.
Just release the goddamn video.
kame-sennin
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The first time I was arrested at a protest, I got tackled by a cop while running in the street. As soon as my body touched the pavement, I began to sprawl my arms out on the ground because I'm black and I know the risks. In the instant that this was happening, the cop was yelling, "stop resisting!". After he realized that I was already compliant, he calmed down. Cops assume the threat until you prove it doesn't exist.
Do people not know that cops have done this many many times? It was extremely common before the era of video surveillance. Some cops even carried an extra gun that they could drop in case they ended up in a questionable shooting.
I have no idea! Also until I see the gun and evidence he pointed it at the cops, I will have major doubts he even had one.
Why else would they use it?
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Steve.1981
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This is exactly what gets me. Every single time.
I'm Scottish, I basically live in a different world, so maybe I just don't get it, but why do the American police instantly go from 0 to 100 and steam in with guns drawn, screaming and shouting?
It's fucking outrageous.
If the police have to be armed (and I'm not convinced that they do), then they have to exercise extreme restraint. They can't shoot first, basically. They just can't.
this is why i think the police haven't released the video because it will show him with his hands at his side. Going by all the reports of the video.
FreedomFighter
Member
Suggests to me he didn't really have one.
psynergylover
Member
Is there the "black cop" in the video? I really can see if he's there, watching live via MSNBC
Police in America have a modus operandi of aggression to de-escalate and it's fucking ridiculous. They create a fear-response in people, and there's no way to know if that's going to lead to compliance or a stand-off.
Dreams-Visions
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This isn't a book or a stage play. The shit isn't Hamlet. This is someone under stress and talking to multiple actors in real time, simultaneously and fluidly going back and forth. I don't understand why you can't process this, but you can't. We can just stop talking about it. I apologize on her behalf for her being unable to deliver the lines perfectly for you, Mr. Spielberg.
I think anyone that has tried to corral a group of elementary school age kids on a playground probably gets it. Sorry, but I can't help you any more on this one. I'm sure all of these details will be filled in by her in due time. If you're asking, I'm sure a reporter will ask the same of her soon enough and you can get it from the horses mouth.
Very much this.
DrForester
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"Drop the/he had a gun" and "stop resisting" are basically the South Park" HE'S COMMIN RIGHT FOR US" thing played out in real life, with deadly results.
My intial reaction after watching the video is her saying "don't you do this" was directed at the police, she obviously seems aware of what can happen and has happened in the past with the police and African americans, no doubt in my mind that was directed at the police as concern that they were about to kill her husband.
And if that photo of the supposed gun was really just a glove, then that's pretty damning as well. Where did the gun go if there was one?
And if that photo of the supposed gun was really just a glove, then that's pretty damning as well. Where did the gun go if there was one?
Right? Shouldn't it be easy to show he had a gun? Wouldn't that be evidence?
Am I missing something? Have they provided evidence other than saying he had a gun?
I appreciate the breakdown, that helps. You make a lot of good points about why.
Good thing you can see this logically and not listen to Dream-vision.
Nabs
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Yeah. They need to release the video now.
That's what I got out of it as well.
OK so let me get this clear.
It's not a subconscious bias that runs through police (and perhaps the entire US) that statistically sway black suspects to be given harsher judgement than white suspects (e.g. a white guy with a gun gets 20% more time to comply or something)...
Instead there is a vast and elaborate conspiracy where a black police officer found a guy reading a book, executed him while being filmed, planted a gun while knowingly being filmed, and removed the book.
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Steve.1981
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Ridiculous is the word, exactly.
Something has to be done. God only knows what...completely changing how police are recruited and trained might be a start...but something has to be done.
Tragic shit like this is happening far, far too often.
This video isn't the one they are refusing to release right?
I wonder if they told his wife not to release this, or if she was waiting to see if they would do the right thing and release the video before releasing this herself.
Again, if there was a gun where did it end up? Why was that picture that was going around showing the gun circled on the pavement which turned out to be a glove possibly, why was that being used as evidence of there being an actual gun if it wasn't? It really didn't look like one when I saw the picture, and a glove actually fits more.
A lot of questions, more then before, are now forefront. I don't think this is going to help anything as far as the protests go, and I think tonight if they continue might get a little like a couple nights ago.
I wish the police chief understood that, yeah okay you have a video and it shows to you that the cops acted appropriately, that's all fine and good. But the relationship between the community and the police is fractured and for good reason given all these shootings. The people are not going to just take your word for it, just release the video if it shows so clearly that this was a justified shooting and put this to bed instead of letting these questions continue. And if it wasn't a justified shooting, something needs to be done. Not just to the cop that pulled the trigger, but the chief who has covered this up.
I wonder if they told his wife not to release this, or if she was waiting to see if they would do the right thing and release the video before releasing this herself.
Again, if there was a gun where did it end up? Why was that picture that was going around showing the gun circled on the pavement which turned out to be a glove possibly, why was that being used as evidence of there being an actual gun if it wasn't? It really didn't look like one when I saw the picture, and a glove actually fits more.
A lot of questions, more then before, are now forefront. I don't think this is going to help anything as far as the protests go, and I think tonight if they continue might get a little like a couple nights ago.
I wish the police chief understood that, yeah okay you have a video and it shows to you that the cops acted appropriately, that's all fine and good. But the relationship between the community and the police is fractured and for good reason given all these shootings. The people are not going to just take your word for it, just release the video if it shows so clearly that this was a justified shooting and put this to bed instead of letting these questions continue. And if it wasn't a justified shooting, something needs to be done. Not just to the cop that pulled the trigger, but the chief who has covered this up.
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No. There are two more angles. One from the dash of the cop car and one from a body cam.
Was anyone expecting anything more McCrory? The guy is a piece of shit.
DragonSworne
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People seriously think the cops weren't just yelling out codewords to protect themselves? It's common procedure now to yell "Drop the gun" before opening fire regardless of there being a gun or not. You can't really use that to support there being a gun or not.
Z_Y
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In your either/or scenarios you're not accounting for the possibility that maybe the cops just fucked up. Maybe what they thought was a gun wasn't a gun? Now they are in "cover their ass" mode behind the blue wall of silence. I don't think that many people truly believe that cops are out there conspiring to execute minorities. I do think that poorly trained cops can and will make mistakes. And I do think that there are cover ups for said mistakes.
Bumblebeetuna
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So did he actually have a gun or no?
Fucked up. I'm in no way blaming the wife, but did she explain to them that he was disabled and had brain issues? I know in the video she said "he has a TBI", but that might not mean much of anything to the police. Maybe she could have persuaded them to let her get him out of the car.
Seems like just another example of poorly trained officers needlessly escalating a situation that results in someones death. No wonder the police aren't releasing the footage. Unless there is crystal clear evidence the police were in danger, they had no reason to bother this man.
Fucked up. I'm in no way blaming the wife, but did she explain to them that he was disabled and had brain issues? I know in the video she said "he has a TBI", but that might not mean much of anything to the police. Maybe she could have persuaded them to let her get him out of the car.
Seems like just another example of poorly trained officers needlessly escalating a situation that results in someones death. No wonder the police aren't releasing the footage. Unless there is crystal clear evidence the police were in danger, they had no reason to bother this man.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Wait so it's no gun and then suddenly a gun?
Did "Sprinkle some crack on 'em" strike again?
Did "Sprinkle some crack on 'em" strike again?
Dubbedinenglish
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Obviously the gun's camo technology wore off.
It looks like a glove to me that the officer
I might be wrong since i've only seen it once. I'll take a look again.
Edit: yup, definitely not a gun.
Looked like a glove to me.
This by far is the largest issue they dont slow stuff down. They escalate shit for no reason at all when they are calm people calm down when they are rough people get rough. They are paid to be cool under fire not scared as fuck to step out on the job each day. They need way more conflict management training and less fucking time on the range shooting.
She doesn't comment on the gun on the ground, or when they pick it up...
I wouldn't consider the gun being planted by the police after seeing the video, but that is just my own interpretation.
maybe that is why she didn't consider mentioning it? hmm
I watched the video and the cops escalated this situation 100%. I mean really, are they even trained on how to apprehend someone without the use of their gun? It seems like their strategy is "Do exactly as we say or we'll just shoot you." What a joke. And now we have an innocent man who was suffering from a traumatic brain injury shot dead. They don't even make an attempt to talk with the wife while she is standing right there trying to explain the situation, which makes it even worse in my eyes.
DragonSworne
Banned
You can clearly see two of the same looking objects on the ground late in the video when he drops the gloves again.
Unless we are saying the dead person was dual wielding, then it was definitely gloves.
Randolph Freelander
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From: https://twitter.com/Averykindafunny/status/779402341531291648
Now, I'm not drawing the same conclusion as the tweet, media seems to think that was a glove. Just drawing attention to this and it seemingly not being something that Mr. Scott would have possessed.
DragonSworne
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From: https://twitter.com/Averykindafunny/status/779402341531291648
Now, I'm not drawing the same conclusion as the tweet, media seems to think that was a glove. Just drawing attention to this and it seemingly not being something that Mr. Scott would have possessed.
They were gloves. He is trying to put it on, drops one of them, then later drops both on the ground since you can see both the gloves on the ground at the end of the video.
Jerm411
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Hearing the mayor and police chief speak this morning was all you needed...when asked about releasing the footage they kept bringing up the "integrity of the investigation", "not wanting to taint witnesses or other evidence", and "one piece of evidence doesn't tell the entire story"....
....that's all code for "we done fucked up"....
....that's all code for "we done fucked up"....
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