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[Switzer]

If your default MO is drawing a gun, there's something fucked up about police training.

Even in situations where the suspect is armed, it shouldn't be your first instinct.

American cops first instinct in every scenario is apparently draw your gun and escalate the situation.

In Toronto, if you pull your gun more than twice in any 12 month period, you get written up and have to go talk to SIU about why you are pulling you're gun so goddamn much.

EDIT: Mis-remembered that, its more than once, not twice actually.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

See, here's the thing. This is a tweet from a local media person from 2 days ago. (CMPD = Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department)

Joe Bruno ‏@JoeBrunoWSOC9 Sep 21
BREAKING: CMPD sources confirm this photo I obtained of the shooting aftermath shows the weapon Keith Scott was holding. @wsoctv

And here's another tweet from today:

Joe Bruno ‏@JoeBrunoWSOC9 3 hours ago
CMPD sources tell @MarkBeckerWSOC9 #KeithScott's fingerprints, DNA and blood were on the gun recovered at the shooting scene

If this wasn't the supposed gun though, media dudes aren't looking good at all. (Neither are those CMPD sources.)

 

[Afrikan]

American cops first instinct in every scenario is apparently draw your gun and escalate the situation.

In Toronto, if you pull your gun more than twice in any 12 month period, you get written up and have to go talk to SIU about why you are pulling you're gun so goddamn much.

I really don't know how to react to that.

Seems like some type of utopia.

 

[KyroLen]

Man, I don't know. That really doesn't look like a gun to me.

And if it's not, and they say his dna and blood were found on it and it was a gun, that's pretty fucked up.

 

[AlphaDump]

From: https://twitter.com/Averykindafunny/status/779402341531291648

Now, I'm not drawing the same conclusion as the tweet, media seems to think that was a glove. Just drawing attention to this and it seemingly not being something that Mr. Scott would have possessed.

The ground looks to be clear in the early parts of the video, you can get a good look at 1:24.... I made the same mistake, though the artifacting on the video does make it look like a gun, it seems to be the gloves they take out.

 

[Beefy]

More I think of this and look at the vid, the more dodgy it is looking to me.

 

[platocplx]

American cops first instinct in every scenario is apparently draw your gun and escalate the situation.

In Toronto, if you pull your gun more than twice in any 12 month period, you get written up and have to go talk to SIU about why you are pulling you're gun so goddamn much.

Yep this should be something thats implemented.

 

[Switzer]

I really don't know how to react to that.

Seems like some type of utopia.

Its not a utopia, it's how pretty much the rest of the developed world operates. America has ended up as a weird hyper-violent anomaly that everyone else looks at baffled and concerned. We [Canadians] feel for you guys, but hot damn you guys are suffering some very deep and troubling propensity for violence. Even without the whole racism factor to make things that much worse.

 

[Dishwalla]

Yeah when the wife runs over and the first shots of Keith on the ground are shown on screen there is nothing on the ground in that location. If it really was his "gun" then where the hell did it come from?

It has to be a glove.

 

[USC-fan]

Yeah when the wife runs over and the first shots of Keith on the ground are shown on screen there is nothing on the ground in that location. If it really was his "gun" then where the hell did it come from?

It has to be a glove.

if you watch it fall it 100% a glove.

 

[Chococat]

See, here's the thing. This is a tweet from a local media person from 2 days ago. (CMPD = Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department)



And here's another tweet from today:



If this wasn't the supposed gun though, media dudes aren't looking good at all. (Neither are those CMPD sources.)

Just watched the video. That "gun" is not there (in front of the husband feet). Check the source. Been hearing some of the images out there have had the gun Photoshop by jerks. It looks much to clear next to that blurr effect. Also, where is that bush at in the lower right corner from? It not in the wife's video. Even more, should the gun still be laying around after the police tape has been put up?

 

[Lyn]

Yeah when the wife runs over and the first shots of Keith on the ground are shown on screen there is nothing on the ground in that location. If it really was his "gun" then where the hell did it come from?

It has to be a glove.

At around 1:22, there is something on the ground behind the white truck. As the lady moves closer though, the officer backs up to stand guard over whatever it is (really can't see it clearly). Then at 2:01 it looks like he is tossing that object closer to the other cop and makes a noise when dropped. I'm fairly sure the objects dropped later though are gloves, being two of them and making no audible noise when landing on the ground.

Aside from discussing the procedure of the police that is obvious in the video, anything else would seem to be speculation still. Unless there is a higher quality video somewhere, I don't know how anyone can say with 100% certainty it is a gun, gloves, book, or any other object.

 

[gohepcat]

If your default MO is drawing a gun, there's something fucked up about police training.

Even in situations where the suspect is armed, it shouldn't be your first instinct.

If someone has a gun in their hand you keep your weapon holstered?

 

[Bad_Boy]

guns bounce. not float to the ground.

 

[saltinekracka]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

 

[TheOMan]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

Probably because cops have been caught blatantly lying in situations like this.

 

[atr0cious]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

Because they are black people living in America. And her lying to the cops would kill him quicker.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

i dont know if he had a gun or not. but the object in question i believe to be gloves.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

CNN just said that Hillary's campaign just said that she is coming to Charlotte on Sunday.

 

[saltinekracka]

Probably because cops have been caught blatantly lying in situations like this.

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

 

[Durden77]

There are definitely gloves involved, but there is also something right behind the white truck that you can see as she first pans the camera over there after the shooting. The cop with the red shirt then seems to stand over it. It could be a glove but I don't know.

The fact that the world has to play detective with officer's work like this is deeply disturbing.

 

[Bad_Boy]

The fact that the world has to play detective officer's work like this is deeply disturbing.

true. just release the videos already.

 

[hamboner]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

So he deserves to get murdered by cops ten years later... FOH

 

[Mik317]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

the ole "he's not an angel" approach.

lets see where this gets him, Jim

 

[johnny956]

Yup police sources leaked that his DNA, fingerprints and blood are on the gun but they sure as hell won't leak the video. Just release it already

 

[krazen]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

Thats the problem; both are equally untrustworthy, lol. It says less about the victim, but how in these cases the police reports are filled with lies trying to cover up any mistakes in procedure, even when the killing is justified, lol

 

[Pastry]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

I see what you're doing here 🤔

 

[captive]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

What?

 

[Beefy]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

Here we go again.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

And this guy got caught blantly trying to murder someone.

Can you show me?

 

[Stinkles]

guns bounce. not float to the ground.

We all bounce down here.


And to address the "he shot someone" folks. Absolutely notable and certainly complicates things. And a lot more serious than the usual "no angel" stuff, but forgetting this guy in particular, generally speaking there are institutional reasons why a lot of young black men end up in situations like that in the first place. Everything is connected. The conversations need to be had about race, institutional racism and police training. His prior record is absolutely relevant, but maybe not in the way a lot of people jump to.

 

[johnny956]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

Because ...it happens...enough to wonder

 

[USC-fan]

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

If this is true. then he cannot own a firearm legally. So you cannot open carry.

Not like this really changes anything because its impossible for the police to know any of this at the time.

 

[Skilletor]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

Your username, avatar and this post.

Perfection.

We all bounce down here.


And to address the "he shot someone" folks. Absolutely notable and certainly complicates things. And a lot more serious than the usual "no angel" stuff, but forgetting this guy in particular, generally speaking there are institutional reasons why a lot of young black men end up in situations like that in the first place. Everything is connected. The conversations need to be had about race, institutional racism and police training. His prior record is absolutely relevant, but maybe not in the way a lot of people jump to.

His past has fuck all to do with this situation. He was not the person the cops were looking for. He was in his car. The cops reacted poorly, no matter what he had in the truck and in his hands.

 

[shanafan]

I watched the wife's video twice. Why do the officers keep telling him to drop the gun? If he didn't have a gun, then why was it said numerous times?

Or, did they confuse the book with the gun?

 

[BradC00]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcX2cUeLOw

Stabilized video. Take a close look at the cop with the red shirt around the 1 minute mark. He takes a step back over something in the ground. For the rest of the video he doesn't take more then one more step away from it. Something is there.

 

[patapuf]

If someone has a gun in their hand you keep your weapon holstered?

It depends?

Unless it's obvious the situation is already escalated pulling the gun might make things worse.

 

[kame-sennin]

In your either/or scenarios you're not accounting for the possibility that maybe the cops just fucked up. Maybe what they thought was a gun wasn't a gun? Now they are in "cover their ass" mode behind the blue wall of silence. I don't think that many people truly believe that cops are out there conspiring to execute minorities. I do think that poorly trained cops can and will make mistakes. And I do think that there are cover ups for said mistakes.

Yeah, that poster pretty much majored in intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Skilletor]

If someone has a gun in their hand you keep your weapon holstered?

 

[gohepcat]

Can you show me?

Would it really matter? Everyone has their mind made up already.

Scott also was charged with aggravated assault in 1992​ and assault with intent to kill in 1995. Both charges were reduced, but the disposition of the case​s​ is unclear.

According to Bexar County, Texas, records, Scott was sentenced in March 2005 to 15 months in a state jail for evading arrest. In July of that year, records show, he was sentenced to seven years in prison on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. A Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokesman said Scott completed his sentence and was released from prison in 2011.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103175292.html#storylink=cpy

Batshit right wing blogs are saying that he shot at police in 2005, but their sources are fucking terrible (as always). However I've yet to find any details about what actually happened in 2005

 

[Beefy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcX2cUeLOw

Stabilized video. Take a close look at the cop with the red shirt around the 1 minute mark. He takes a step back over something in the ground. For the rest of the video he doesn't take more then one more step away from it. Something is there.

Can't even watch that video. The side parts need to be blacked out as it makes me feel sick

 

[USC-fan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcX2cUeLOw

Stabilized video. Take a close look at the cop with the red shirt around the 1 minute mark. He takes a step back over something in the ground. For the rest of the video he doesn't take more then one more step away from it. Something is there.

Oh yeah you can see it next to his left shoe. He standing right over the gun. He moves over the gun when the wife walks towards then at 1:08. At 1:05 you can clearly see the gun already on the ground behind the white cop. The glove falls down way after you can already see the gun.

Good eye.

 

[Mully]

Why is it so hard for people to believe he had a gun? Because the wife said he didn't?

The guy has a conviction for shooting someone 10 years prior.

Because I watched and listened to NYPD supervisors casually drop the idea of getting a drop knife or gun to a new NYPD officer on a number of occasions while briefly volunteering as a firefighter in my hometown just a few years ago.

Sidenote: I was thrown out of said firehouse after my addiction to Percocet boiled over into a bipolar rant about a neighboring fire department while posing as someone else on a local fire department messageboard three years ago.

I'm not discrediting myself, but I feel it's prudent to get that out there each time I bring up my time in my town's fire department which was filled with NYPD detectives, officers, and new recruits.

 

[Oxn]

Oh yeah you can see it next to his left shoe. He standing right over the gun. He moves over the gun when the wife walks towards then at 1:08. At 1:05 you can clearly see the gun already on the ground behind the white cop. The glove falls down way after you can already see the gun.

Good eye.

Yup, im seeing it too now. He's standing over what appears to be the gun. The glove is a whole different thing.

No one probably wants to touch the gun yet until they can bag it. You can slo see that same officer takes a step forward but keep returning back to the same spot to hover over that item.

 

[kame-sennin]

 

[FStubbs]

Its not a utopia, it's how pretty much the rest of the developed world operates. America has ended up as a weird hyper-violent anomaly that everyone else looks at baffled and concerned. We [Canadians] feel for you guys, but hot damn you guys are suffering some very deep and troubling propensity for violence. Even without the whole racism factor to make things that much worse.

It's almost entirely racism. Police can be quite understanding and helpful if you're white. Heck, the terrorist that just struck in NY shot at 2 cops and they still took him alive.

Some cops hate black people and are looking for any excuse to kill them and get a paid vacation.

 

[gamechanger87]

Yup, im seeing it too now. He's standing over what appears to be the gun. The glove is a whole different thing.

No one probably wants to touch the gun yet until they can bag it. You can slo see that same officer takes a step forward but keep returning back to the same spot to hover over that item.

Yep. Can't see I think in the unstabilizwd video but it's also where it is in the other picture. They stand over it because it needs to be bagged and don't want anyone being able to grab it.

 

[Oxn]

So no more comments now?

 

[Henkka]

Yeah that's got to be the gun... The way he deliberately stands over it makes it pretty certain.

You can't really see if the victim made any movements to threaten the cops with the gun, though. I guess that's the thing that matters now.

 

[NervousXtian]

Yeah the cop in red is standing over something and the picture that circulated before is from an angle that has that bush you can see a shadow of in the video to the right. It matches the location of the gun picture as well.

You can't see how it ended up there, but there's a good chance they would have kicked it away from him after shooting him as that's typically what would happen.