Randolph Freelander
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That appears to be standard operating procedure in these events.
And it's freaking sad that we've seen enough of these to know that.
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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)
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That appears to be standard operating procedure in these events.
And it's freaking sad that we've seen enough of these to know that.
yodathesoda
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Cops saying "drop the gun", wife asking him "not to do it", gun lying on ground next to him.
Looks like we need to update the OP.
Looks like we need to update the OP.
Randolph Freelander
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AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
No, the guy with the red shirt 100% is standing over something. You can even see where the man was out of the car, but she had the phone down when the shots went off and it's hard to tell who shot.. but it doesn't look like the guy in the red honestly. You can see after she steadied the phone back after the shots the guy in red is now over where the man was shot.. and behind him is something on the ground.. he then moves back and stands over that object. It's in the exact spot as the picture from the other angle that makes it look like a gun.
See here:
People are now saying it was a glove, and dismissing that nothing was on the ground. Something clearly was, and he stood over it on purpose.. notice everyone else kind of moves around, he doesn't.
I was going to add a screenshot of that video, but it's such a poor quality upload it's really hard to see the same thing, but you can see that he is standing over something, and even accidentally steps on it and move's his feet... you can see him pick up the same dropped glove. It's taken at the same time as the other video, but after the shots were fired. It's also from around the same spot/angle as the photo showing a gun were taken from.
I saw that too. But it sort of looks like a shadow of the officer's boot to me.
Edit: Nope. Nevermind. That is not a shadow. You're right. That is a gun. At first you can't see it, but when he pivots/shuffles that foot a little bit the object becomes noticeable. You can actually even see it at 1:22 and 1:25 right behind red shirts foot. That's when he secures that area and never leaves. The object of what seems to be the gun is, indeed, visible and it lines up to exactly the picture posted days before. As the wife was yelling and walking up to them, red shirt notices and steps back to cover the gun as they yell at her to stay back, so the officer secured the gun immediately and couldn't assist the other cops. There is actually a lot in this video to make me believe the police here. I may get crucified for this, but there was no book. And he wasn't shot while inside the car like the social media narrative tried to make it out (which, imo, is highly dangerous since it incited a lot of the panic and rioting).
And yes, the black officer was the one who shot, the police sheriff has stated he acknowledged it.
Yes, it's standard procedure. Not everyone dies from a gunshot to the head, believe it or not. So if it's a real criminal, they could still be a potential thread. The kid shot in the head during the riots two days ago is alive and speaking. But in critical condition.
Yes. They said it has his prints, DNA, and blood on it. Which leads me to believe he fell over on the gun.
It's been a long while since I've done this.
Link to a live stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCfIDK-nxLo
Link to a live stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCfIDK-nxLo
im curious as to what their plan is after curfew hours.
Randolph Freelander
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They'll be allowed to continue to protest as long as it remains peaceful. The police chief stated he had discretion over enforcement. Last night, the protesters remained until about 1:45, and a captain at the protest confirmed the same approach will be taken tonight.
Edit: And AlphaSnake, if you're referring to the person shot two nights ago in Charlotte, he died yesterday and a suspect was arrested earlier today.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
That's fucked up. Innocent life lost for nothing.
nvrndr
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http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/sources-keith-scotts-fingerprints-dna-blood-found-on-gun-at-charlotte-police-shooting-scene/449405173
Cops saying DNA and fingerprints found on gun was victims
Cops saying DNA and fingerprints found on gun was victims
FreedomFighter
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Shameful for them to try pretend they were no longer in a position to make that call.
Compare the "gun" the cops actually found with the "gun" people think they see the red shirt standing over. If it is the same gun, it's in a different place, meaning the cops moved it closer to the body, which means they tampered with evidence.
Until they release video, this just says they planted evidence. And if they did, this begs the question, how were they so coordinated to do so? Did they have this planned for their original target?
FreedomFighter
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That's fine. But was he pointing or "brandishing" it? Based on police chief's own words, he wasn't. This video is bad for them. That's why they won't release it.
Sqrt_minus_one
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I am not American but is this the level to which you distrust the Police?
I am sure the police has planted evidence in past cases, may even be going on now, but to look at every situation as being one in which the police are actively planting or tampering with evidence is too much of a leap for me. This is a case with national implications the incentive to tamper with evidence may be high, but the cost of doing so and being caught would be catastrophic. I just cannot believe any sane group of within the police would attempt to do so. If it was as widespread as you believe surely exCops and journo's would have found out and it would be all over the news.
Wasn't it just two days ago we had a thread on here where cops had accidentally recorded themselves planning to plant evidence on a victim? It's no wonder our distrust has reached this level.
Pantaghana
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There was a case not that long ago, where a cop committed perjury in front of a judge, no-one batted an eye.
Cops have so many layers of protections, they can do almost anything and get away with it, often don't even get prosecuted because any lawsuit is doomed to fail.
They know that even if they get caught, they will suffer little to no consequences, so tampering with evidence is a no-brainer.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Compare the picture I posted with the picture of the "gun" picture... it's the same spot.
Jacksinthe
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There was a case of a forensic analyst at a lab - the kind doing all science-y stuff with DNA, drug testing, etc - would falsify documents for lab data to send innocent people to jail because they just felt like doing it. Someone who is supposed to just look at and report the facts without any knowledge of any case, someone who should be indifferent and a 3rd party, would alter evidence to send people to jail for the lulz.
She would rapid fire drug tests because reasons and an estimated 11k people were behind bars because of her.
ELEVEN THOUSAND
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/massach...-for-alleged-improper-handling-of-drug-tests/
So, yeah. Theres little to trust in our justice system.
I saw an expert on the news the other day, who stated that, regardless of whether he was brandishing the weapon, it's considered a justified shot if he refuses to drop the weapon after being prompted. He explained that police can't wait until the individual raises the weapon, because tests have shown they won't be able to react fast enough to avoid the individual using the weapon on them or someone else.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
As mentioned pages back "brandishing" IS pointing. It's an aggressive gesture. The definition of the word by Merriam-Webster describes it as such. Even if he came out with that gun down by his side, that's the end for him. You do NOT come out with a gun in your hands when police officers are repeatedly telling you to drop the weapon. There were dozens of calls between all 4 officers for him to drop the gun for 4 seconds once he stepped outside the car. And plenty other times they told him to drop it while he was still inside the car. I swear, I have literally watched the video 30+ times. I've been analyzing it back and forth, and I'm not convinced his wife's "Don't you do it" was directed at the cops. I think she knew he had a weapon, and I think she was pleading with him to leave the gun in the car and not do anything crazy, because she knew what the outcome could be, otherwise.
The cops knew he had a gun, because they saw him with it standing outside the car as they were pulling up to him first. He then went back inside the car once he saw the cops pull up close. The narrative of the police is far more plausible than that of social media, which, again, started out with "book reading, shot while inside the car", which is also what this thread title is. I've gone into detail of my distrust of the police, but this kind of narrative is dangerous and spreading half-truths.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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So, basically, this guy probably panicked when he saw the cops, and behaved rashly, and the cops made the situation far worse than it needed to be by escalating it, but we're waiting on video to give us a clearer indication of who actually did what, and in what sequence, and thus a better sense of where the larger chunk of the fault lies.
Yeah, real life isn't a movie where you see them raise their gun in slow motion, and the millisecond the protagonist shoots his gun, the guy folds up like a lawn chair and is immediately no longer a threat. IRL if they are raising their gun, they can continue to do so after being shot, and still manage to fire rounds at you.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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We've got a news story going around right now where they found new evidence that a cop murder in 2011 involved planting a gun.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/new...lant-a-gun-on-a-suspect-after-fatal-shooting/
The thing is that cop misbehavior is so widespread that it really isn't national news.
formasymphonic
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I'm not American either but even from the outside its becoming harder to take any kind of police statement at its word. They can basically do as they see fit and know exactly what to say post-incident to shield themselves from repercussions, and its only been through outsider observation that much of the wrongdoing has been captured. To quote myself from the Korryn Gaines thread:
The list get s longer every day. We just don't know about it because there is no one to see them coving their tracks.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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^ amazing post.
Reading this post and remembering all those people makes my heart hurt too much.
I think the majority of Americans probably still trust the police. No matter whether you're inclined to trust the police or trust the victim, though, everyone wants video proof of what happened.
Nabs
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Then this happened: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ly-drug-use-in-lab-sparking-a-second-scandal/
Yes, she used allllll the drugs.
David H Wong
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The fact that police have intentionally obscured questionable shootings in the past in no way justifies this utterly ridiculous thread title. We have video proving that, at the very least, it was not a case of a disabled father being shot while reading in his car. It's now down to, "how many times do you have to ask a guy to drop a gun before it's okay to shoot him."
I know it's frustrating when the other side tries to paint every victim as a violent, drug using thug, but it ruins their own credibility when they rush to the press with, "Innocent college student returning from charity work to visit his grandmother killed by police." When video comes out that paints a very different picture, people assume you're lying about the rest of it. Especially when their own biases already point that way.
I know it's frustrating when the other side tries to paint every victim as a violent, drug using thug, but it ruins their own credibility when they rush to the press with, "Innocent college student returning from charity work to visit his grandmother killed by police." When video comes out that paints a very different picture, people assume you're lying about the rest of it. Especially when their own biases already point that way.
Gotdatmoney
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The video came out yesterday, the thread is 5 days old. Can you chill out?
Randolph Freelander
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Police videos are expected to be released today.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103951421.html
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103951421.html
The Atticus
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ANYONE defending the police for SHOOTING A MAN in this situation is idiotically insane. There should be a lot more reason to SHOOT A MAN. There was no reason for lethal force.
But honestly I'm not reading your paragraphs of horseshit, and I know some will come at me for that, but go fuck yourselves.
Rant over.
But honestly I'm not reading your paragraphs of horseshit, and I know some will come at me for that, but go fuck yourselves.
Rant over.
Yeah! Tell em!!!
This happens whenever the victim is black, every thread. People defended the cops who murdered Tamir Rice, and called him an idiot. Insanity has nothing to do with their defense.
The collective credibility of black Americans is not under threat by inaccurate NeoGAF thread titles. Their credibility is under threat by white supremacist ideology.
Randolph Freelander
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Police chief to give a press conference in a few minutes, 4:30 ET. CNN will cover (probably other networks, too).
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I remember when we had a national conversation about the death penalty. When we all talked about capturing Saddam Hussein and if he should be killed, and then if he should be killed on TV. When we talked about how barbaric it was and what gives us the right to determine another's mortality.
Now we just shoot citizens and forget about it.
Emerson
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Police were shooting minorities back then too.
I am sure this has been mentioned earlier but can someone please explain to me how the gun suddenly appears on the pavement out of nowhere later on in the video? It looks like the officer in the red shirt reaches into his pocket for something and bends down and suddenly a gun is there on the ground. Wtf ?
There clearly was no gun visible when they first start to cuff the man
There clearly was no gun visible when they first start to cuff the man
Grover Cleveland
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Putney just stated that CMPD will release the body cam and dash cam footage.
I'm guessing the combination of the family releasing their video and SBI kind of passing the buck last night back to CMPD forced their hand.
Randolph Freelander
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Chief just said a link will be made available "within the next half hour."
BoosterDuck
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he said it'll be out in the next half-hour
and he just admitted it will be edited
and he just admitted it will be edited
Grover Cleveland
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They really need to get another spokesman out here.
Putney's had a shocker this week.
Putney's had a shocker this week.
Randolph Freelander
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Chief just basically said this was about possession of weed.
Pick better battles, police.
Pick better battles, police.
he just said they weren't going to act on it until they saw a gun.
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