Chaostar
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OK, so any posible improvements plus supersampled IQ for people with 1080p sets isn't good enough for you? Fair enough, that's for you to decide, but some people are very perfectly happy with it.
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OK, so any posible improvements plus supersampled IQ for people with 1080p sets isn't good enough for you? Fair enough, that's for you to decide, but some people are very perfectly happy with it.
400 bucks and be perfectly happy for a supersampled IQ?? (which wont get the benefit equivalent to native 4K supersampling just FYI)
No wonder devs wont give a fuck if all gamers think like that. Buying a Pro so that it plays games on "idle" isnt the kind of thing that makes me "perfectly happy"...
PS: you guys throw around the supersampled thing as if it is some kind of godlike upgrade. Let me tell you that supersampling is nice, but not THAT nice. Or enough to be more exact.
Isn't the rule that the framerate can't be worse than the OG, not necessarily better?
I wouldn't assume that the framerate would automatically be better than the OG when you take into account the fact that it renders close to 4K with a GPU that is 2.3X better and 30% more CPU power.
Right? I wish there was a way to make a 1080p image look better by running the game at 1440p/4K internally then scaling it down to 1080p.
If such a thing existed, I believe it would be called downsampling. But if it did exist, I bet there would be some people that downplay how nice it would look.
Already we have several games on the Pro that are running WORSE than PS4...
2 examples:
Killing Floor 2 (60 fps game that dips under 40-35 fps and pretty much never hits 60)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSvYJD-vGhI
COD: Infinite Warfare
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-hands-on-with-cod-infinite-warfare-on-ps4-pro
Downsampling is nice, nobody's disputing that
But I think a lot of us would rather have "enhanced" 1080p modes like in Horizon or ROTR
Again, there's support at launch. They haven't detailed what they're doing yet and this new interview is saying down the line they'd like to do even more just like any additions they'd do with a potential PC version. Not sure why this is hard to understand.
He's making the argument that the games are going to come out worse than PS4. I'm saying its against the rules and they have no excuse to not follow the rules. Being similar or above PS4 are automatically part of that
And again... its not that we "dont understand". We do understand. Its just that some of us cant quite justify 400 bucks for that kind of "support".
Blackleg-sanji1
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I mean it's only one game either way so I don't see why all the hope of purchasing the thing was on ffxv
Don't try to reason, he's too far deep into his agenda to stop.
LowParry
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Ya know, there are other games that will have Pro support. Not that hard to understand.
Exactly. Ask yourself if it's worth $400 for marginal differences in most games at this moment. I'm sure devs will figure things out later, but at launch it really is not looking much of a reason to jump in.
Because its arguably THE GAME when it comes to the holidays, Pro's release and maybe even the entire year.
And a ton of people were salivating for a Pro because of the potential for this exact game (myself included).
If not for FFXV i really dont feel I need a Pro until Horizon/Mass Effect if they get any decent upgrades that put the hardware to actual use.
It needs to make a sense for me to buy a machine that is 2+ times more powerful than PS4. (considering a 1080p display)
While you arent... right. Apart from irony and sarcasm your agenda doesnt look any better.
There's been plenty that's more than just "marginal" differences. SE's own games even.
Horizon's 1080p mode is just downsampling and possibly better framerates.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-ps4-pro-horizon-zero-dawn-performance-analysis
"We can also confirm that PlayStation 4 Pro upgrades for those running on 1080p displays is limited to super-sampling (the 4K image downscaled to full HD, resulting in excellent anti-aliasing), though Guerrilla's managing director Hermen Hulst mentioned that more consistent performance is also a possibility."
Blackleg-sanji1
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There's literally a thread for this exact reason. Have to wonder how many truly care as much.
Always-honest
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Yeah i still think it's better to play games in 1080P on the pro. It's basicly a great 1080P machine. Not a great 4K machine.
Wasn't there a picture comparison between the two versions where the Pro one had better texture, foliage etc?
If your not interested in what it offers that's perfectly fine,, that's why its an optional system. Sony knows that being an iterative unit, marginally better graphics, IQ and FPS are not going to sell certain people. It doesn't have to. But its going to sell to someone, that's why they made it.
Nah, I just like being a dick to people, nothing personal toward you. Since gaming is my main hobby and I love it, I'll be buying Pro day 1 and I'll be enjoying the benefits that come with it, the same applies to Scorpio as well which I'll also get day 1.
But hey, you sit here and argue about it all you want, I'll enjoy reading and lurking this thread.
ethomaz
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Did you played the final build?
Because the Pro can't run at lower framerate than OG.
Or are you just jumping conclusions before the game or Pro releases???
The largest issues with Final Fantasy XV on the vanilla PS4 were draw distance/LOD pop-in issues and overall image quality issues due to a combination of their AA solution and their variable resolution solution. They already fixed (for the most part) the draw distance/LOD pop-in issues in the vanilla version. And a straight forward bump in resolution should clear up any other image quality issues (hopefully).
And shit, I buy $600 video cards just to get a bump in resolution in games I already own, so just that improvement is enough to convince me to opt for the Pro which costs $400.
And shit, I buy $600 video cards just to get a bump in resolution in games I already own, so just that improvement is enough to convince me to opt for the Pro which costs $400.
MissDeviling
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Pro stuff aside, this made me a bit sad:
RIP my dreams of playing trashbag prince.
RIP my dreams of playing trashbag prince.
If there is I haven't seen it. The Pro footage looks to be in a different area than any base PS4 footage, and crisper textures will come with the resolution bump.
Hit them up on Twitter / social media asking for Versus outfits. From that quote Tabata said he's open to it if there's fan demand. I like Nomura's trash bag outfit for Noct too, lol.
My bad, it was Paragon
Original Man
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Word. Sold my vanilla ps4 for $200. With my employee discount I'm getting the pro from amazon for $170
They "could" be improved on their final builds. But they probably wont, read/listen to what DF says. Its a very small chance that -upon release- those games will play better. They could be improved via a later patch though. I only posted this because some people mentioned, and they were right, Sony's rule about the framerate, which apparently doesnt hold true atm..
Dude, its not like I am happy for this. Like I said I really was excited for Pro versions, especially that of FFXV. But as it stands now, its disappointing.
Maybe wait for... I don't know... SE to officially detail what they're doing?
DangerMouse
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I think it's this apparent absolute confidence that none of the enhancements they already showed in actual footage (if we're supposed to believe that S-E isn't lying by showing this footage), perhaps because they were ones that didn't require much manual work, are 100% apparently not going to be in there at all without proof just because Tabata has said they don't have time to "really take advantage of the Pro", while not going into detail about what was easy to implement. He didn't say they did nothing.
Not actually there at all? That's some pretty wild speculation.
Given that S-E, atleast just in big-budget games like FF, are known for modelling detail beyond what's expected to be viewable, I don't find it hard to believe that even just the resolution bump and IQ enhancement will give a rather nice graphical upgrade.
The basic improved performance of the Pro and 4K HDR could by default enhance the draw distance a bit (which they've already improved in the OG version given the last demo as well), real-time lighting (especially combined with HDR), and texture quality atleast in terms of how they look since obviously the textures themselves will be the same (like you said).
Higher internal resolution IS a graphical improvement.
Where did you see this footage? Did you get to actually go to one of the events and see it live directly on a 4k hdr tv? Because seeing it on non-4K, non-HDR youtube video or stream and a regular monitor apparently does it no justice.
The same could be said to those on both sides of this argument.
True but some people are acting like there's no support whatsoever when Tabata already said that yes, there is, and it will be there at launch. This was at TGS.
Nobody said there is no support at all... we all know it will support 4K and HDR. Thats it. Everything else according to Tabata will be the exact same, ie textures, LOD, effects etc etc.
Nah this is to sensible and logical.
The Pro version won't have dynamic resolution for one. According to the leaked documents they can't go below 1080p. That's already a big upgrade that'll improve LoD in a lot of ways. I'm reading the interview again and he doesn't really say they will be the exact same either. He said content similar with regards to the PS4 and XB1 versions and expressed a desire to make the Pro version even more enhanced down the line if they have time, much like a potential PC version.
You guys are making me defend XV, what madness is this.
piccio_ssl
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forget 60fps
You are actually the one wildly speculating. What I think is the case/will be the case is actually much more reasonable and in line with what Tabata said himself, the director of this game. You are the one that seems to think the Pro has unlimited power and Square Enix/the FFXV development team unlimited ressources and time.
You would get real additional graphical improvements (like higher res textures, better LOD and lighting) only in a 1080p Pro mode, like Paragon or Tomb Raider will offer. You won't get additional real graphical improvements to a 4K mode. The Pro won't be able to do that, sorry.
And please stop moving goal posts. At first we were talking about real graphical improvements, now you are suddenly claiming alone the higher resolution will bring better LOD, lighting and textures. It will look better in 4K and HDR but that's not actual graphical improvements.
Remember the Horizon gameplay in the Sony Pro event? Everyone was also claiming it looks so much better. The lighting was allegedly so much better and the draw distance too. It actually had only higher resolution and we couldn't even see the HDR in the stream. Horizon's 4K mode is confirmed to not have any other substantial graphical improvements. And so won't FFXV's 4K mode.
@Inuhanyou help me out here... >__<
mordecaii83
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No, he didn't say that. You can look at what he said and pull that out if you want, but nowhere did he specifically say there were no further enhancements. All he said was that they didn't have time to truly upgrade the game as much as they would for a PC version.
But what if it does? Do they just cancel the game at the last minute?
Here:
You guys really think that tabata was referring to a completely upgraded version like a "remaster" of sorts? That isnt happening. Even if they release it for PC 1-2 years later, its not like they are going to alter the game's geometry or anything. They will increase LOD, texture quality, effects, shaders...pretty much all the stuff some people here think are already incorporated to the Pro version....
mordecaii83
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That quote isn't from Tabata.
They can change the lighting, add tessellation/POM/other features, change rendering techniques, increase geometry, change shadow rendering technology, change hair rendering technology, etc. Those are all things that are possible and maybe even likely on the PC. Things like increasing the LOD, texture resolution, shadow resolution, shader quality, etc would be relatively easy to implement and should be possible for the PS4P. Not saying they WILL do those things, just that they could in a fairly short amount of time.
Alcahest
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Why? Adding a 2nd slightly overclocked GPU (in Pro) certainly makes it feasable.
Ofc, i'm talking @ 1080p.
DangerMouse
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I said it had unlimited power by just listing some minor enhancements? LOD, some lighting since their lighting is real-time, and clearer textures from near 4K. Two of which you said yourself.
I'm wildly speculating huh?
mordecaii83
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The CPU didn't receive a large bump so doubling the framerate is unlikely unless the CPU is only reaching like 60% utilization on the current PS4.
dragonzdogma
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Hey guys I'm still buying a ps4 pro, I believe in Tabata.
Never forget what FFXv gamescon looked like.
Never forget what FFXv gamescon looked like.
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