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[Efejota]

We are still going to get new games from those franchises and there's no need to keep remaking "the same game" every generation. Smash Bros 4 is very recent, also. We can live with re-releases of these three titles to help expand the NS library.

I would understand people being mad at Kid Icarus Uprising, Captain Toad or Metroid Other M enhanced ports. But I like how they are just going to update these three titles, to make studios free to try new ideas. Maybe I don't this is a bad idea since I didn't buy a WiiU and I also skipped Smash Bros. 4 on 3DS.

I agree with this even if I have a WiiU.
The way I see it Splatoon came to be because of freeing a bit of the Animal Crossing team, and we could have got simply New Leaf HD instead, pretty much like what City Folk was.
Sakurai managed to make Kid Icarus Uprising between one Smash game and the next one, and who knows what could the Mario Kart team do if given some chances. They've been making only MK and Nintendogs for the last 10 years.

The real question for me to double-dip would be how much new content could these games have.
All DLC + 2 or 3 new fighters for Smash, another extra campaign for Splatoon besides the customization, etc.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

I think most Wii U games will be ported to Switch. I think it is a smart move. Obviously games like Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, and Smash Bros did not sell the way Nintendo intended them to sell.

Additionally, the Wii U sold so poorly overall that there may be additional new games that could become franchises. I personally thought Captain Toad was great.

 

[Neoxon]

They are porting literally the only couple of WiiU games that actually were successful, so this isn't even true. These titles of all things needed real sequels. Though, they at least recognize that they don't even need to bother with failures like DK and Starfox which already didn't excite anyone once.

But hey, people can finally enjoy the hidden gem Skyrim.

• I'll give you some credit on Mario Kart. It's been about 2 years since they finished DLC for that game, which would have been enough time to get a proper Mario Kart 9 out with a large enough development team.
• Splatoon is kind of a 50/50 situation. Perhaps they could have gotten Splatoon 2 out if they treat it kind of how they treated the first game (few stages & modes at launch, but they give us a ton of free DLC for the next year or two to compensate). But in this case, I suppose that Nintendo wanted a more feature-packed game for Splatoon early on.
• There was no way in hell that we could have gotten a brand new Smash game this early in the Switch's life. Keep in mind that Sakurai & Bandai Namco wrapped up Bayonetta & Corrin development early this year, with the last Smash Wii U/3DS patch (being the Bayonetta nerf) being a few months afterwards. Yes, Sakurai managed to get Melee done in a short amount of time, but that was before HD development was a thing. Not to mention that we have such a huge roster right now, it only makes sense to keep that going for a little while longer before they have to start from zero, again (not to mention that Smash 4 is basically the centerpiece Amiibo game, right now). I fully expect Nintendo to announce the Cloud, Corrin, & Bayonetta Amiibos at whatever Switch blow-out event they end up doing (along with Amiibos for the new characters, if any).

 

[Captain Europe]

I'm compleely OK with enhanced and/or late ports. Only thing that I find questionable, is selling ports of old games at full 60$ price tags.

I imagine they will include all the DLC + new content for the Switch versions.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm compleely OK with enhanced and/or late ports. Only thing that I find questionable, is selling ports of old games at full 60$ price tags.

I fully expect Splatoon, MK8, & Smash 4's ports to include whatever DLC they got on the Wii U (which was paid DLC in the case of the latter two games). For reference, the Mario Kart 8 port showed a DLC stage being used in the Switch reveal trailer.

 

[Fox_Mulder]

As a Wii U owner I feel betrayed

 

[Neoxon]

As i Wii U owner I feel betrayed

Think of it this way, a bunch of other people didn't get to experience these games, so it's an easy way of giving said great games a second chance at reaching a larger crowd. And besides, it's not like these will be straight ports.

That being said, some (not all) of the Smash community seem to be a bit mad that they have to buy brand new equipment after spending hundreds (sometimes thousands) on Wii U set-ups for tournaments.

 

[TheDinoman]

As a Wii U owner I feel betrayed

In the same way certain Bayonetta and BG&E fans feel betrayed because "Nintendo took their games"? lol

 

[……forgetit]

Not sure if I believe her on this one, her hardware rumors have been more reliable then software ones, not toention the games could be pivoted into sequels by the end of the year.

 

[Fox_Mulder]

In the same way certain Bayonetta and BG&E fans feel betrayed because "Nintendo took their games"? lol

No

 

[Boney]

In the same way certain Bayonetta and BG&E fans feel betrayed because "Nintendo took their games"? lol

Uhm no? It's that Wii U owners are the least incentivized to buy a system which offers such an identical software lineup. "Thanks for supporting us, now twiddle your thumbs while we focus on our non costumers".

But it still remains to be seen what they'll be. Who draws the line between enhanced ports or in engine sequel. Seems that it being a different home system is the only thing that can make it one or the other. Splatoon could play at it's core exactly the same and contain most or all of the originals multiplayer maps, but if they add new maps, game modes, weapons, skills, on top of the new hair/pants and perhaps a new single player. If they again release it via drips like the original it can be out early and still be a well realized sequel. Sequels that contain the original in some way are some of my favourite.

Same for the other games, depends on how much new content is there, which I think is a sure thing to bet on. So it's up to Nintendo to provide for Wii U owners as it seems like the hardest group to sell the Switch to atm.

 

[Filter]

I already own all of those games on WiiU.
I think it's a good idea to re-release them... re-releasing games is what Nintendo does.

But I really hope they offer a game or two at launch that are completely new and compelling, Because there's no way I am buying those games again.

 

[TheDinoman]

I got a little carried with that post there, I apologize. It was just him saying "I feel betrayed" that reminded me of all the angry Bayonetta fans when Bayo 2 was announced for Wii U, ha.

I mean I'm fairly certain Nintendo would add enough substantial content to make them worth buying again. Like I said, the MK8 team finished the DLC period for that game over a year back in April 2015. I could see them producing a good handful of new tracks and characters and what not during that time frame.

 

[Apenheul]

As a Wii U owner I feel betrayed

How so?

 

[Yoshi]

The question is what constitutes a port? Mario Kart had a second item, which completely changes the balance. So they'll have to rebalance the game anyway, so why would they not just put a complete set of new courses on there and call it Mario Kart 9? Would you consider it a port if they did that? Because I would not. For the time being I am optimistic that Mario Kart on Switch is exactly what it looks like: A sequel using asets and mechanics from 8.

 

[TheDinoman]

The question is what constitutes a port? Mario Kart had a second item, which completely changes the balance. So they'll have to rebalance the game anyway, so why would they not just put a complete set of new courses on there and call it Mario Kart 9? Would you consider it a port if they did that? Because I would not. For the time being I am optimistic that Mario Kart on Switch is exactly what it looks like: A sequel using asets and mechanics from 8.

The double item thing could just be a new optional game mode.

 

[ViolentP]

Give me some good SNES RPGs on the go and I might actually consider this thing.

 

[javadoze]

For people being down about these enhanced ports. This kinda reminds me of the Uncharted Collection and how 80% of PS4 owners never played an Uncharted game. There's likely to be many people who haven't even touched Splatoon or Mario Kart 8 due to not having a WiiU, so I don't see the harm in reusing the foundation those games built to expand upon them in their Switch versions.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

For people being down about these enhanced ports. This kinda reminds me of the Uncharted Collection and how 80% of PS4 owners never played an Uncharted game. There's likely to be many people who haven't even touched Splatoon or Mario Kart 8 due to not having a WiiU, so I don't see the harm in reusing the foundation those games built to expand upon them in their Switch versions.

Enhanced versions of Wii U games is a good strategy for Nintendo, particularly early on in the Switch's life.

Certain people simply believe "remasters" are a waste of time and anti-consumer. I wouldn't put too much stock into that opinion.

 

[Captain Europe]

As a Wii U owner I feel betrayed

All of the major companies make ports, it doesn't steal away the games you currently own.

For people being down about these enhanced ports. This kinda reminds me of the Uncharted Collection and how 80% of PS4 owners never played an Uncharted game. There's likely to be many people who haven't even touched Splatoon or Mario Kart 8 due to not having a WiiU, so I don't see the harm in reusing the foundation those games built to expand upon them in their Switch versions.

I'm one of those people, I'm glad I was able to buy Uncharted 1-3 after playing Uncharted 4.

 

[Shaanyboi]

As a Wii U owner I feel betrayed

For what? The WiiU simply did not sell, and thus the community able to play this games was inherently miniscule compared to their potential.

If the Switch can open its doors by going "here's some of the best parts of the WiiU you missed," then it atleast can start off with some level of commitment from players who didn't bother last time around.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

I think most Wii U games will be ported to Switch. I think it is a smart move.

Very unlikely, Splatoon or Smash or Kart getting an enhanced version makes sense. But games like Captain Toad, Yoshi, Project Zero 5, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, etc. will surely not get ported, but probably successors.

 

[Doctre81]

As a Wii U owner I feel betrayed

I understand where you are coming from but we don't have to buy the ports.

 

[TheDinoman]

But games like Captain Toad, Yoshi, Project Zero 5, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, etc. will surely not get ported, but probably successors.

Even though it completely megabombed? I don't think Nintendo will invest in the W101 IP again after its abysmal sales.

 

[bman94]

I understand where you are coming from but we don't have to buy the ports.

Yeah but that also gives Wii U owners almost jack shit to play at launch of Switch if they have a bunch of ports at launch.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Yeah but that also gives Wii U owners almost jack shit to play at launch of Switch if they have a bunch of ports at launch.

Except everyone has Zelda...

 

[LordKano]

Yeah but that also gives Wii U owners almost jack shit to play at launch of Switch if they have a bunch of ports at launch.

We also know jack shit about what games will be at launch and what won't. They're not gonna fill it only with ports.

 

[Captain Europe]

Yeah but that also gives Wii U owners almost jack shit to play at launch of Switch if they have a bunch of ports at launch.

That's why they should have new games as well, or have a lot of new content in the ports at least.

 

[bman94]

We also know jack shit about what games will be at launch and what won't. They're not gonna fill it only with ports.

If they are going to do ports of their 3 biggest multi-player games from the proceeding console, it'll make sense to do it at launch or extremely close to launch. It makes no sense to hold a Mario Kart 8 enhanced ports till 2018 when Mario Kart 9 could possibly come out in 2019. Same goes for Smash and Splatoon, at launch would be the best plan or not do it at all. They'll want to build the fan base early for the inevitable sequels for those titles.

That's why they should have new games as well, or have a lot of new content in the ports at least.

Obviously Nintendo has stuff they haven't shown us yet but it doesn't bode well when your first reveal of a new console is showing off first party stuff that fans either already knew about or played before.

 

[HCgamer]

Watch them cut off online for wiiu mario kart 8, smash, splatoon soon after switch releases. I purchased mario kart 8 the day it was released purchased the dlc when nintendo released it around $11 I am not paying $60 for the same game with another dlc pack added on.

 

[poros1ty]

Ports? Well, not a day one for me then. Mario Kart will be almost 3 years old by the time Switch is released.

 

[Tavernacle12]

I already own all of those games on WiiU.
I think it's a good idea to re-release them... re-releasing games is what Nintendo does.

But I really hope they offer a game or two at launch that are completely new and compelling, Because there's no way I am buying those games again.

Well Zelda is a given and there's a chance that Mario game is a launch title.

 

[HCgamer]

They could have added wiiu bc.

For what? The WiiU simply did not sell, and thus the community able to play this games was inherently miniscule compared to their potential.

If the Switch can open its doors by going "here's some of the best parts of the WiiU you missed," then it atleast can start off with some level of commitment from players who didn't bother last time around.

 

[JCH!]

What do you guys think is the chance that people who own the original games will get some kind of discount?

Spoiler

...0%?

 

[Tavernacle12]

Watch them cut off online for wiiu mario kart 8, smash, splatoon soon after switch releases. I purchased mario kart 8 the day it was released purchased the dlc when nintendo released it around $11 I am not paying $60 for the same game with another dlc pack added on.

I may be missremembering, but didn't Nintendo change their online platform somehow between the Wii and the Wii U? The Wii had its online dropped due to that, while the U's could continue on with less upkeep or whatever?

I seriously doubt Nintendo would drop the U's online until the Switch is a hit anyways.

 

[Captain Europe]

If they are going to do ports of their 3 biggest multi-player games from the proceeding console, it'll make sense to do it at launch or extremely close to launch. It makes no sense to hold a Mario Kart 8 enhanced ports till 2018 when Mario Kart 9 could possibly come out in 2019. Same goes for Smash and Splatoon, at launch would be the best plan or not do it at all. They'll want to build the fan base early for the inevitable sequels for those titles.



Obviously Nintendo has stuff they haven't shown us yet but it doesn't bode well when your first reveal of a new console is showing off first party stuff that fans either already knew about or played before.

I'm hoping that the new Mario's launch at least, and the ports launch window and all out before summer. Because we know summer is gonna be a dry patch, as usual. And then some new games for the holiday season.

I also think Smash, MK, Splatoon and SMM are going to be more like services from now in, as in, they'll release updated versions on the Switch, and add DLC on top of them throughout Switch's lifetime. So we might not see a MK9 in the traditional sense, but MK9 could be DLC for MK8. Having a huge amount of tracks available will also keep the online varied.

I may be missremembering, but didn't Nintendo change their online platform somehow between the Wii and the Wii U? The Wii had its online dropped due to that, while the U's could continue on with less upkeep or whatever?

I seriously doubt Nintendo would drop the U's online until the Switch is a hit anyways.

Yeah you're right, I remember that as well. I have no idea how online is handled on the Wii U, I hope it stays.

 

[HYDE]

Very unlikely, Splatoon or Smash or Kart getting an enhanced version makes sense. But games like Captain Toad, Yoshi, Project Zero 5, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, etc. will surely not get ported, but probably successors.

Probably no need to port, will be available digitally methinks.

 

[Kaisos]

I think most Wii U games will be ported to Switch.

I really doubt "most". Mario Kart, Splatoon, and probably Smash are on Switch because of the multiplayer communities and because they were already popular. There's no way Nintendo is porting Tropical Freeze, The Wonderful 101, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Starfox Zero, or Xenoblade Chronicles X.

If you want to play these games in the future I'd recommend buying a WiiU.

 

[Captain Europe]

I really doubt "most". Mario Kart, Splatoon, and probably Smash are on Switch because of the multiplayer communities and because they were already popular. There's no way Nintendo is porting Tropical Freeze, The Wonderful 101, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Starfox Zero, or Xenoblade Chronicles X.

If you want to play these games in the future I'd recommend buying a WiiU.

Their efforts are better spent on new games instead of those, for now at least. I'm sure some of these, if not most, will be available in the E-shop at some point.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Very unlikely, Splatoon or Smash or Kart getting an enhanced version makes sense. But games like Captain Toad, Yoshi, Project Zero 5, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, etc. will surely not get ported, but probably successors.

I think Donkey Kong TF, Paper Mario, Xenoblade, bayonetta 2, pokken, FExSMT, Twilight Princess HD + wind waker HD bundle, pikmin 3, and Minecraft w/ Mario are all locks.

I don't think all these games will be full price games though. Actually only only a few probably will be.

Possibly Captain Toad, a "corrected" Star Fox with multiplayer and Mario maker are possibilities.

I think hyrule warriors will get a sequel.

Kirby Wii u will return as an iOS game, I would think.

 

[Vital Tundra]

I think Donkey Kong TF, Paper Mario, Xenoblade, bayonetta 2, pokken, FExSMT, Twilight Princess HD + wind waker HD bundle, pikmin 3, and Minecraft w/ Mario are all locks.

Possibly Captain Toad, a "corrected" Star Fox with multiplayer and Mario maker are possibilities.

I think hyrule warriors will get a sequel.

Kirby Wii u will return as an iOS game, I would think.

Temper those expectations there

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Temper those expectations there

Nintendo is not going to write off those losses on games that were perfectly fine. They are going to try and recoup all investment and make a "NINTENDO LIKE PROFIT" as much as possible.

If Switch even sells as good as 3ds does, heck even as good as GBA, or N64. Nintendo will make good sales off of re releasing those games to a much wider audience than on Wii U.

 

[DecoReturns]

If it comes with GameCube VC on launch that would be something

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

If it comes with GameCube VC on launch that would be something

I wonder if that will ever happen now. I kind of think they may see more value in just updating of games and releasing them again.

 

[TheDinoman]

I'd be very shocked if the Switch didn't get Minecraft. The fucking Wii U has it for crying out loud.

 

[Kaisos]

"corrected" Star Fox

Not only will this never happen, it sold so poorly we will probably never see a Starfox game again.

Their efforts are better spent on new games instead of those, for now at least. I'm sure some of these, if not most, will be available in the E-shop at some point.

We don't even know if the Switch is capable of running those games.

 

[plufim]

This thing is going to have like 1 or 2 original launch titles and a dozen ports isn't it?

Definately an xboxone/PS4 generation machine then!

 

[IntelliHeath]

I understand where you are coming from but we don't have to buy the ports.

well, those ports might come with new contents which should provide us the reason to purchase them again. I meant I'm a sucker for those new contents for Mario Kart, Splatoon and Smash Bros.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Not only will this never happen, it sold so poorly we will probably never see a Starfox game again.



We don't even know if the Switch is capable of running those games.

I think they give it one last try, and will focus on multiplayer more than single player. Making it more of a 4 vs 4 esport style game.

You may be right about the sales and then never touching it again. But, n64 was a gold mine for local multiplayer games. Now if Nintendo can recreate this for a modern system for the casual and esport crowd. They may strike gold.

Based on the Switch video, it appears that are going after that crowd.

 

[Captain Europe]

Nintendo should also start releasing budget/digital games, it was obvious Star Fox wasn't gonna sell well, very few people are willing to pay €40 for a short on-rail shooter, it's too much.

There's no shame in making games like 2D Metroid, Star Fox, and F-Zero digital, low budget games. And selling them for budget prices. More people might be willing to bite if they are cheaper.