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Will PS4 Pro actually be worth it without a 4K TV?
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Movalpolos
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These outlets saw the Pro version in 1080 or 4K?
Yautja_Warrior
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Higher native resolution with super sampling will be great for PSVR and make games look as good as possible, plus any extra graphical effects will help too.
I have a feeling that some games run quite a bit lower than 1080p on PSVR right now, DriveClub VR's super blurry image and no AA seems to suggest this, as most games don't look as blurry as Driveclub and I think the Pro patch will clear up the IQ quite a bit (hopefully)
Movalpolos
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You mean the post that you made?
ThaBruce
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Your alt account.... you aren't being very subtle are you?
Melchiah
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2-3 years, and Pro exclusives!?
Tomb Raider, Paragon, and Mass Effect have been confirmed to have visual enhancements on 1080p screens.StrongBlackVine
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Doubt it. Destiny 2 will.
Stillmatic
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Pretty much. Not many games will take full advantage of it early on, but when devs get time to add Pro into the workflow properly there'll be a huge difference for 1080p users.
No and neither would a Scorpio. The literal benefit is the 4k resolution as well as games that would alloe better visual fidelity. It is like buying an Xbox 360 and gaming at 480 and not 720p/1080i/1080p. You can still game but how much are you losing out on visually.
I just bought a Sony X800D and while 1080p looks amazing, watching 4K vids on youtube of BF1 and Gears 4 really shows the difference.
I just bought a Sony X800D and while 1080p looks amazing, watching 4K vids on youtube of BF1 and Gears 4 really shows the difference.
It's kinda hard for me to comprehend that the graphics going on in Uncharted 4 or the God of War E3 demo can be done on a Ps4 pro... with a whole other 1 and 1/3 of a Ps4 sitting in the box, effectively turned off.
GlassBurrito
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If the pa4 you currently have is working fine along with your 1080p screen - No.
If you have 4k and your ps4 has had heavy use - Possibly.
If you don't have a ps4 and want something to do with your 4kHDR display - Yes.
If you have 4k and your ps4 has had heavy use - Possibly.
If you don't have a ps4 and want something to do with your 4kHDR display - Yes.
I'm not getting a 4K tv for another year or so, but I think it'll be worth it. If they can look good in 4K they'll look sweet in 1080p IMO, and since a 4K tv is something I'd like to buy before ps5, getting the pro now seems like a way better choice.
Idk I think pro versions of games could wind up being sweet, and all of them will suddenly be in 4K (upscale) whenever I grab the screen
Idk I think pro versions of games could wind up being sweet, and all of them will suddenly be in 4K (upscale) whenever I grab the screen
Care to elaborate?
I was skeptical during the PlayStation Meeting yet, at the same time, open to persuasion. "What can PS4 Pro do at 1080p?" was my biggest question. I don't have a 4K television and nothing I discovered convinced me to run out and grab one. Happy for those who will see real benefit though.
bigboss370
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i have a 1080 TV and I'm getting one.
From what I can tell not only are you buying something that's future proof, but it will still improve the visuals and performance of games on 1080p.
From what I can tell not only are you buying something that's future proof, but it will still improve the visuals and performance of games on 1080p.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
As posted in the other FFXV thread.
We don't know the exact details, but if the game was being shown on Pro at a press event, i'd bet it was a nice fancy 4K display.
GlassBurrito
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Sure, if you don't have a 4k display the benefits of upgrading your console diminish. The benefit of greater graphical output and picture quality are not worth the price for recieving a slightly higher fidelity on a 1080 display.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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It will be worth it for PSVR owners like myself. I imagine that games like driveclub will really shine once they are Pro patched.
"Slightly"
Killing Floor 2 Pro version has Ultra textures, RotTR gets extra graphical settings enhanced at 1080p30, Paragon gets huge boost in foliage etc, The Witness is getting increased draw distance...
CrimsonEclipse
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No 4K TV yet, but plan on getting one...maybe not at launch...I'm prob gonna wait for a game bundle or something. Same goes for Scorpio.
In other words, yes.
In other words, yes.
Always-honest
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For some it is slightly, for others it's significant.
What's your definition of "slightly" because supersampling can be a big deal...not to mention it seems that quite a few games are getting pretty legit upgrades when rendered in 1080p
Stillmatic
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There are benefits beyond better IQ. Supersampling is just default, with the extra juice they can add better performance and graphical features on top of Supersampling.
Time will tell once we see the system tested by places like Digital Foundry. It depends what you're looking for though. I would get the system even if I didn't have a 4K TV, because the supersampling is a massive boost in image quality. Not to mention we're already seeing games like Tomb Raider with multiple graphics options, such as the 4K upscale, 1080p with maximum video settings at a 30 cap, or 1080p with an unlocked frame rate.
Another thing I'm very interested in is the SATA3 slot; it should allow for better utilization of a solid state drive.
Another thing I'm very interested in is the SATA3 slot; it should allow for better utilization of a solid state drive.
Humdinger
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Yeah, I expect the benefits to be rather modest in the near term, with some exceptions (TR, Horizon, ME). It's a little early/sudden to be expecting massive improvements right out of the gate. By next year, though, I expect to see a lot more games benefiting. It'll be a cumulative thing.
I figure, if I know I'm going to get one eventually, I might as well get one now and enjoy the benefits for the full lifespan.
bigboss370
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Shadowhelper
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Just how advanced is the super sampling? Pretty much no jaggies at all? The pics kinda look fake to me. If Rockstar would also use the new power to provide a version with a locked framerate, that would be amazing.
Devs love to complain about a lack of power. Even if the number of reg PS4s outnumber the Pros, I think the 4k and 1080p versions will both get a lot of love.
Devs love to complain about a lack of power. Even if the number of reg PS4s outnumber the Pros, I think the 4k and 1080p versions will both get a lot of love.
I would even argue that since Horizon isn't native 4k that the 1080p mode would look better even when compared to the 4k mode. Maybe there's more to it but you can clearly see image artifacts in 4k mode which is completely gone when you downsample the image to 1080p.
I've seen this picture a thousand times and my jaw still drops. Horizon is going to look amazing in 1080p!
While technically true, 4K is a huge resolution. The equivalent in pixels per inch to a 42" HD screen would be a 84" screen. Native res or not, I don't think you'll be noticing many or any artifacts at a regular viewing distance.
GameAddict411
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It depends on what your expectations are going to be like. If you are expecting tons of new affects and performance enhancements, you will be disappointed. If you want to take advantage of a 4k display or enjoy super sampling, it is worth it. I think anyone without a ps4 should pay the extra money for a ps4, but not current owners with a 1080p display.
archy121
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My newly bought and still sealed PS4 is going back after plenty of deliberation.
PS4 pro is a no brainier unless you intend to move away from PS4 Gaming within a year. It has at least 3-4 more years.
From what we Know already, it can definitely offer better/stable frame rates ie games stick closer to frame rates set by developers and don't drop so much. This alone is big enough for me as I'm in it for the long run. Developers have now mastered the PS4 and are pushing hardware to its limits. The extra frame stability will become very useful to maintain a good gaming experience.
We can also expect better 1080P picture quality due to down SAMPLING FROM HIGHEST RES Graphics rather than using the native ones intended for standard PS4.
And if that wasn't enough than consider the potential of the Pro to grow with you. When you decide to upgrade to 4K or even PSVR in 2-4 years it will be ready to deliver. I feel that those are the neccessary time scales for VR and OLED TVs to mature and make a worthy purchase.
Sony has made a exceptionally brilliant move in offering the Pro at this point in time and secured its lead until PS5.
PS4 pro is a no brainier unless you intend to move away from PS4 Gaming within a year. It has at least 3-4 more years.
From what we Know already, it can definitely offer better/stable frame rates ie games stick closer to frame rates set by developers and don't drop so much. This alone is big enough for me as I'm in it for the long run. Developers have now mastered the PS4 and are pushing hardware to its limits. The extra frame stability will become very useful to maintain a good gaming experience.
We can also expect better 1080P picture quality due to down SAMPLING FROM HIGHEST RES Graphics rather than using the native ones intended for standard PS4.
And if that wasn't enough than consider the potential of the Pro to grow with you. When you decide to upgrade to 4K or even PSVR in 2-4 years it will be ready to deliver. I feel that those are the neccessary time scales for VR and OLED TVs to mature and make a worthy purchase.
Sony has made a exceptionally brilliant move in offering the Pro at this point in time and secured its lead until PS5.
Always-honest
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I disagree.
GlassBurrito
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I agree the pro looks better, but surely you aren't suggesting this is drastic or radically different.yeah for me prersonally I wouldn't consider this "slightly":
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Of course. "Mountains out of mole hills."
Wouldn't it be smarter for you folks without a 4K television thinking that you are future proofing or will need one in future wait for price drops or different models and make do with what you have now? I mean you are not even going to take advantage of the greatest feature right away. If you plan on getting a 4K tv next year by then maybe you'll see special bundles. You just know Destiny 2 will have a wicked PS4 Pro bundle etc.
I would say same for Scorpio. Makes no sense to get it you don't have a 4K television etc. HDR, these things are the entire point no?
I would say same for Scorpio. Makes no sense to get it you don't have a 4K television etc. HDR, these things are the entire point no?
That's the good point about this.
The difference in price is really not that big & the pro is objectively a better machine longterm.
2blackcats
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The only thing you're missing out on without a 4k set is HDR, of course you're missing out on that if you own a vanilla PS4 too.
Everyone will perceive the value of the improvements differently. Get a hold of some regular and pro footage of some games and check it out on whatever TV you'll be playing on and decide for yourself. Keep in mind that the games running natively on your console will look a little better than whatever footage you find online.
People saying, "beware of a potential Horizon downgrade" are crazy. That's code running on hardware nor some guesstimate vertical slice from a game years away. The only thing it can do is improve.
Everyone will perceive the value of the improvements differently. Get a hold of some regular and pro footage of some games and check it out on whatever TV you'll be playing on and decide for yourself. Keep in mind that the games running natively on your console will look a little better than whatever footage you find online.
People saying, "beware of a potential Horizon downgrade" are crazy. That's code running on hardware nor some guesstimate vertical slice from a game years away. The only thing it can do is improve.
FairXchange
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I'm not sure how or why people try to convince themselves that having double the GPU power somehow won't translate to improved graphics in new games, but kudos to them for trying though.
This mole hill of yours is the reason why people buy those expensive GPUs in the first place. Downplay it as you want but having nearly 2,5 times the power of regular ps4 will always translate to better IQ and detail.
Humdinger
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No, not the entire point -- in fact, that's been the entire point of many of the posts in the thread: there are significant/substantial benefits for 1080p owners.
It makes more sense to me to spend a couple hundred on a Pro and get significantly better visuals and performance, rather than lay out the $1000+ for a good 4K TV (plus the cost of the Pro), when I am happy with my 1080p set and know I'll be getting significant IQ and performance boosts. Sure, I'd like HDR and 4K, but I'm fine with sticking with 1080p for a year or two, waiting for 4K sets to stabilize, offer more content, and come down in price. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the benefits at 1080p.
Melchiah
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When it's that noticeable difference in visual quality, it's pretty far from "a slightly higher fidelity".
The same goes for Tomb Raider's two 1080p modes on Pro;
Performance: "1080p high framerate, the game running at >45 FPS targeting 60."
Quality: "1080p bells and whistles, 30 FPS locked with every processing technique pushed to the max."
And Mass Effect:
"Mass Effect Andromeda has two very different strategies. They have checkerboard for 4K and they have a separate mode for high quality graphics at 1080p."
Movalpolos
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yeah for me prersonally I wouldn't consider this "slightly":
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This might get me to start playing Paragon again.
Always-honest
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Games won't be "radically" different. It's the same game with improvements.
And these improvements are worth it for me and not for you. Simple.
We'll see in a couple of months how many people will change their minds.
Not if you actually read up on stuff.
I think the Pro is ideal for 1080P.
Magic Mushroom
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No. For me, having better IQ and/or frame rates at 1080p is more than enough reason to buy one.