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Will PS4 Pro actually be worth it without a 4K TV?
- Thread starter Movalpolos
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visiblemode
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I'm not saying that it wont run, but that at least it will not work as good as it would in a 4k tv...
I dont get it, the Pro will automatically transform 4k in 1080p? that's rly great if it's true!
Day one I guess then!
Yes, on a 1080 set, games that run at a higher than 1080 res will use supersampling to run at a much more crisp 1080. Ask PC gamers, supersampling is amazing. That's just the bare minimum upgrade to 1080 games. Some devs will milk the most possible out of the hardware and really do something impressive.
Wishmaster92
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The point is glorious supersampled quality in games at the very least. Horizon will look this good on ps4 pro. Some games like i said will take it a step above and actually improve the visuals in their games.
The Lamonster
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For me, it depends on how significantly they are able to improve PSVR games.
Always-honest
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Third Eye Clear
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I agree, I sold my ps4 for 300$ this weekend. The upgrade is well worth it and I have no plans to upgrade my Samsung Plasma just yet.
Astral Dog
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I think more than with a 4K TV tbh
WeAreStarStuff
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The point is glorious supersampled quality in games at the very least. Horizon will look this good on ps4 pro. Some games like i said will take it a step above and actually improve the visuals in their games.
Would Horizon really look like these images on my 1080P TV with a pro? I mean if it does I don't even need to consider buying a 4k tv.
I really wish Gamestop would do a promotion for trading in for the Pro.
Tons of consoles on eBay right now for $200-$225, and after fees and shipping that number would be around $170-$190. Gamestop is giving $150, if they bumped that to $175-200 if you put it towards a Pro I'd definitely consider it.
Tons of consoles on eBay right now for $200-$225, and after fees and shipping that number would be around $170-$190. Gamestop is giving $150, if they bumped that to $175-200 if you put it towards a Pro I'd definitely consider it.
One example:
Hi,
I'll write about Bound on PRO. Bound will run in hybrid mode. During normal gameplay we will be using 2160P 60Hz MSAA x2 upscaled from MSAAx8 . It means that geometric quality of rendering will be exactly the same as native 4K, but textures will be sampled for block of 2x2 pixels. In our game we are using almost no textures so the difference is hard to see in motion.
On the other hand we use native 4K in photo mode, which is amazing! We have regular trips to our SUHD screen of people trying to play with new photo mode features.
As for VR. We enabled new effects in VR like volumetric lights. On top of that we are rendering sharper shadows - which are crucial in VR and rendering to 4K internal screen which is then supersampled to 1080P display in PSVR. We can do 4K rendering for PSVR since there are still unused black spots that saves us 15% of bandwidth. In native 4K we have places in the game that run at about 50 fps, and that's wy we decided to not use it.
Thanks in your interest! If you have Bound and PSVR, then you already have a free patch that enables VR for our game. Go and check it out
Wishmaster92
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I would say view this thread on your ps4 and see the pictures. It would actually look a little better since i believe the original screenshots were .jpeg all i did was downscale from 4k to 1080p and saved as .png
Those screens are direct screencaps that eurogamer managed to get a hold of. If anything, it should look even better by release.
this is my #1 question. If the answer is it automatically does *rubs hands together* I can't wait. I think a lot of people not familiar with downsampling/supersampling or have seen what it can be like on PC are going to be pleasantly surprised and happy with the results.
Ascenion
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Yeah. As others have said supersampling and all of that will be there for the 1080p people. It's just that having a 4K set gives you the comprehensive true Pro experience. Personally I wouldn't buy one without a 4K set since imo that's a disservice to my own experience but if you don't yet wanna jump on 4K it still has something for you.
The bolded part.... mmh, what? I thought that supersampling was automatic for the patched games
nelsonroyale
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It looks stupendous, doesn't it? I am happy with that.
Jacob4815: My understanding there is that some will only offer supersampling, others offer discreet options, such as Tomb Raider. From what I understand, supersampling should be automatic from 4k if you have a 1080p screen...
Crayon
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Supersampling is exactly how bullshots have been made all these years. So while I would wait to see the real deal in the flesh, yes that's what the pro games *should* look like on a 1080 set.
It'll be up to the developer to make the patch worth it for people playing on Pro with 1080p tv. Paragon showed off its enhancements to the game for what its worth, so that might be what is included in a patched game, but again it comes down to the developer. I'd say if you plan on getting a Pro, you might as well drop the cash on a 4k TV as well.
I'm sure MS will be pushing the 4k bit fairly hard come fall 2017 when Scorpio hits.
I'm sure MS will be pushing the 4k bit fairly hard come fall 2017 when Scorpio hits.
It already comes with one. You just can't see the switch due to the styling of the console.
D1renegade
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I was initially against the Pro, but that will change if it can bring big improvements to PSVR games
Always-honest
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Not sure HoW big but certainly improved. As i understand games look jaggy and soft on PSVR. So Pro will help with that as well as framerate.
Wishmaster92
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I would even argue that since Horizon isn't native 4k that the 1080p mode would look better even when compared to the 4k mode. Maybe there's more to it but you can clearly see image artifacts in 4k mode which is completely gone when you downsample the image to 1080p.
I've seen this picture a thousand times and my jaw still drops. Horizon is going to look amazing in 1080p!
I've seen this picture a thousand times and my jaw still drops. Horizon is going to look amazing in 1080p!
Wow, you actually made quite a bit back. I'm just planning to trade mine to Amazon on the 4th. I guess I could sell it on Craigslist for maybe $200.
nycgamer4ever
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Why are people still asking these questions. the Pro is 2.5X the power of the regular PS4. And supports sata 3. In the future the developers will take more an more advantage of the hardware. When you upgrade a gpu on a pc you don't always upgrade your monitor also right?
Always-honest
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I think it's possible. Though textures will look more detailed on a 4K screenI would even argue that since Horizon isn't native 4k that the 1080p mode would look better even when compared to the 4k mode. Maybe there's more to it but you can clearly see image artifacts in 4k mode which is completely gone when you downsample the image to 1080p.
And HDR ofcourse.
OP
I dunno if you watched the PS4 PRO presentation, but it stated that 1080P Owners will benefit from system as well. While the 4k will present better image Quality, the FPS its another topic of discussion. Let say that 4k customer will get FPS count (at best) that Current PS4 owner gets today on our games.
If anything the ones that benefit the most with PRO are the 1080P owners. It is presumed that they will get the more stable experience.
My 2 cents
I dunno if you watched the PS4 PRO presentation, but it stated that 1080P Owners will benefit from system as well. While the 4k will present better image Quality, the FPS its another topic of discussion. Let say that 4k customer will get FPS count (at best) that Current PS4 owner gets today on our games.
If anything the ones that benefit the most with PRO are the 1080P owners. It is presumed that they will get the more stable experience.
My 2 cents
brunomartynhak
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I'm expecting this as well. Just my half educated guess.
FrozenCell
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it should actually render games at 1080p minimum (native resolution), which is already worth it compared to many current 900p upscales; add in framerate improvements, including real MVPs who aim for the 60 (native refresh) and the Pro becomes a no-brainer.
ugh, thanks, but my router already has enough ports
gamerforever
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I'm just not sure as I only have a 1080p tv and feel the benefits will be very little. Maybe it would be better to use the extra cash on more games or the Nintendo Switch?
If games are genuinely improved and the console is as silent as the Slim, then I would be in, but even Sony haven't made this clear.
If games are genuinely improved and the console is as silent as the Slim, then I would be in, but even Sony haven't made this clear.
Trail Guide
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I'd be cautious about citing Horizon as proof of what games will look like. We've had plenty of games in the past few years get a downgrade of final assets at release. The game looks great but let's be mindful that pre-released footage is not representative of the final game.
Heckler456
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And barely any, if any at all, have been Sony first party releases.
Petrae
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I thought about upgrading (trading in my XBO and PS4) but the TIVs are too low and don't make it a worthwhile move. I'm looking for a buyer for my XBO and will use the money from that to possibly pay down a hard drive upgrade for my now-old PS4 instead.
StrongBlackVine
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Not Sony first party games.
MADGAME
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​For me, a PS4 Pro sale depends solely on the enhancements of 1080p gaming. That includes the list of current games to receive a patch, and the additional bells and whistles for upcoming titles​. I don't feel there is a significant enough list of specifics to warrant a purchase. The best we've got is PS4 Pro must be supported, but exactly what is "up to the developers". It doesn't appear PS4 is a limited item, so I will wait to see what's what before buying.
Want my money twice in one gen, Sony and devs? Make it worth it and start communicating the specifics NOW.
Want my money twice in one gen, Sony and devs? Make it worth it and start communicating the specifics NOW.
WeAreStarStuff
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MADGAME
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Although not wrong, saying PS4 Pro games will look "better" is a vague generalization. How much better and in what ways specifically? There is no standard and if the upgrades are negligible, many may find a $400 price tag does not warrant the same-gen double dip.
Unzip the lips and inform us!
Unzip the lips and inform us!
Humdinger
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They've been specific about the potential upgrades. They can't be specific about the actual upgrades, because it depends on what the developers want to implement.
I've been reading about this topic since the announcement, and I'm convinced 1080p users will benefit significantly in a variety of areas. Downsampling itself will be a big boost to IQ and will be the minimum that almost all titles get. Then you've got the other possible upgrades to IQ and performance; these have been mentioned repeatedly in many other threads, so I won't repeat them all here.
I've been reading about this topic since the announcement, and I'm convinced 1080p users will benefit significantly in a variety of areas. Downsampling itself will be a big boost to IQ and will be the minimum that almost all titles get. Then you've got the other possible upgrades to IQ and performance; these have been mentioned repeatedly in many other threads, so I won't repeat them all here.
SmoothRunningGun
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Maybe...probably best to wait and see the level of support and if there are meaningful differences.
Pro patched games will see improvements at 1080p.Obliterator
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It sounds like its probably going to be, but I'm personally holding off at launch to see how it all shakes out.
If we start seeing real, noticeable improvements to games I'll pick one up either in December of early next year
If we start seeing real, noticeable improvements to games I'll pick one up either in December of early next year
anothertech
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I think yes.
Not long now tho, so you can wait a little bit and see. DF threads pro vs og Ps4 vs Xbone are going to be glorious tho.
Not long now tho, so you can wait a little bit and see. DF threads pro vs og Ps4 vs Xbone are going to be glorious tho.
Movalpolos
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Nice. Yeah stuff like this gives me hope.
The Lamonster
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Don't hold your breath. While Sony is willing to bend over backwards for exclusive Destiny content, Bungie themselves haven't taken the time to cater to unique console features like DS4 touchpad or speaker support, or X1 features like rumble triggers.
They are 100% focused on Destiny 2 right now.