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Will PS4 Pro actually be worth it without a 4K TV?
- Thread starter Movalpolos
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Gotta wait till it comes out to see how developers handle 1080p. If they include meaningful enhancements directly in a 1080p mode such as higher fps, graphical benefits like better draw distance, more prolific use of tessellation, better AA etc. then certainly. If instead the majority have a single render target of either 4K or something higher than 1080p on the Pro only giving the benefit of some of downsampling with the same performance and graphical fidelity of the standard PS4, maybe not. Not that downsampling isn't very effective for AA but if that's the only benefit for a majority of games and you don't intend to buy a 4K HDR set in the coming future then it might be better to save your money.
Like others are saying, gotta wait and see when users and sites analyze the games after it launches.
Like others are saying, gotta wait and see when users and sites analyze the games after it launches.
Is that for sure?
1080p is mandated, yeah, but older games will need an optional patch.
I don't see games like AC Unity getting a patch.
Always-honest
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No, not all old games will get a patch. Most will (from what we know now) will jist run like on PS4.
Some games are confirmed to get a Pro patch. Lil Uncharted 4.
1080p for the new games, yes. And for old games that are patched
Darryl M R
Member
I've noticed my PS4 has been acting slow. The quick menu freezes up on me. So my plan is to get rid of it and buy a PS4Pro even though I currently do not have a 4K tv.
I'm not sure if other's launch PS4 have been acting up.
I'm not sure if other's launch PS4 have been acting up.
Always-honest
Banned
Could it be the latest big update?
That's cool. I'm one of the rare dummies who's getting a Pro and keeping my old PS4. PS3 downstairs is on the fritz after ten years, and that's our Blu ray/Netflix player . So old PS4 is going down there, as per the wife's insistence.
I think the patch is mostly for enchanced settings like HighRes texture (best example would be Paragon then) but from the leaked document it was clear that every game has to be 1080p on Pro. I dunno how Sony will handle this if developer or publisher refuse to update their games tho. Maybe they don't work on Pro or Sony won't force them like they said. We'll see what happens.
Darryl M R
Member
Possibly, I'm not sure if storage matters but I currently have a 2TB hard drive with more than 1TB space left.
Could just be a personal issue since I ran my PS4 like a race horse.
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Deleted member 752119
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I'd just wait and see how devs do or don't take advantage of the extra power for things other than higher resolution and weight that against how much you care about whatever graphical improvements exist.
I can't see myself upgrading as I mostly game on PC these days and just keep the PS4 around for the rare exclusive I care about and I'm not super picky about graphics stuff. The only thing that would perhaps entice me would be exclusives I care about all running at 60FPS on Pro vs. 30 on the original model.
I can't see myself upgrading as I mostly game on PC these days and just keep the PS4 around for the rare exclusive I care about and I'm not super picky about graphics stuff. The only thing that would perhaps entice me would be exclusives I care about all running at 60FPS on Pro vs. 30 on the original model.
PodcastFips
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Eww
OP I'll buy one for launch to test it. Fortunately we can return stuff within 30 days when bought at Amazon so no risk there. I just wanna see the VR improvements.
Always-honest
Banned
Sorry, i think you need to reread some stuff.
Not to sound mean in any way, by the way.
Or maybe i read it all wrong ofcourse.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
It sounds like there will be minor improvements for 1080p. Whether minor improvements are worth $400 will be up to each person and their budget. It does not sound worth it without a 4k TV to me.
I have a 4k TV and am waiting to see how much games take advantage of the new hardware before taking the plunge. Right now they have not convinced me to buy one.
It doesn't hurt to wait and see how reviews are during the first week or two (or longer). I doubt this thing is going to sell out and not much is taking advantage of it day 1.
I have a 4k TV and am waiting to see how much games take advantage of the new hardware before taking the plunge. Right now they have not convinced me to buy one.
It doesn't hurt to wait and see how reviews are during the first week or two (or longer). I doubt this thing is going to sell out and not much is taking advantage of it day 1.
For me? Yes...
Basically, at the end of the day it depends on the developer...they have options for how they want to handle "Pro Mode."
What they are REQUIRED to do is that it has to run at at least 1080p...and the framerate must be equal or better than in "OG Mode."
So any games that render in sub-1080p (Battlefield) will be 1080p with the same, or improved framerate at the very least...
The easiest way for devs to make a Pro Mode is to probably just take the existing game and jack up the resolution...either native, or checkerboard...even if that's all they do, there will be improvements for people with 1080p sets because you will get the IQ benefits of supersampling...
Some developers will take the time to give you enhanced 1080p modes where they actually crank up effects, or shadows, or AA solutions...those games will see the biggest benefits at 1080p...but really, any game that has a Pro Mode WILL look and run better (some could be very slight) on the Pro
Basically, at the end of the day it depends on the developer...they have options for how they want to handle "Pro Mode."
What they are REQUIRED to do is that it has to run at at least 1080p...and the framerate must be equal or better than in "OG Mode."
So any games that render in sub-1080p (Battlefield) will be 1080p with the same, or improved framerate at the very least...
The easiest way for devs to make a Pro Mode is to probably just take the existing game and jack up the resolution...either native, or checkerboard...even if that's all they do, there will be improvements for people with 1080p sets because you will get the IQ benefits of supersampling...
Some developers will take the time to give you enhanced 1080p modes where they actually crank up effects, or shadows, or AA solutions...those games will see the biggest benefits at 1080p...but really, any game that has a Pro Mode WILL look and run better (some could be very slight) on the Pro
Always-honest
Banned
Sure. Depends on the person. Downsampling and a lot of extra bells and whistles as well as improved framerate sounds great to me though.
Though we're not sure yet how many devs will go the extra mile.
DrunkShogun
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Thanks for the response but still iffy on making the jump. Have a ps4 and the only upcoming games announced that I have interest in is Nier automata, persona 5 and last guardian and little info to show whether any of these will gain a boost. Most likely is last guardian out the three.
Badlucktroll
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Will the backup from a regular Ps4 and restore to Ps4 Pro work?
the answer to this is yes.
Steve McQueen
Member
Guess so. It's all tied to your account
Steve McQueen
Member
Just activate it as your primary console.
K thx
Np if I'm wrong then I'm wrong too
Wildstar75
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I think Ubi announced they are not patching their old games including AC4 
. If there is one game that needs a frame date boost it's that one.
. If there is one game that needs a frame date boost it's that one.
sensui-tomo
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as long as the old ps4 is always connected to the internet and signed in to that specific account.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
1080p is the minimum requirement for Pro as per the leaked documents. I-e all games released after Pro need to have mandatory Pro upgrades, but the upgrades can be as 'barebones' as 1080p resolution.
The rest is up to the developers discretion.
I don't know why these Pro topics keep popping up, there is sufficient information already available and to see a case by case basis of individual game upgrades, we'll have to wait till the thing actually comes out.
sensui-tomo
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N3ds threads were the same way when that unit came out, People are going to ask alot of questions in the coming weeks. I'm expecting alot of shit talk threads too in the future for the not up to date people who know everything about this console.
IIRC there are absolutely no improvements on 1080p mode atm for ff15 and the only pro enhancement is 4k and HDR (unless that thread was wrong.... you'd have to ask kagari for more specifics.)
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No. Checkerboard is not even mandatory.
Yes, BF1 is confirmed to get a Pro Patch...so it's required to be at least 1080p with at least the same framerate performance...
My guess is the game will render somewhere north of 1080p, checkerboard to 1800p and upscale the rest of the way to 4k...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We can't say there's 'absolutely no improvements'. While we don't exactly have side by side comparisons, outlets which saw the Pro version at TGS said they noticed immediate improvements, things like draw distance, better locked frame rate and IQ advantages over the normal PS4 version.
So, I guess that's still something than just upscaling to 4K.
Always-honest
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visiblemode
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Exactly. Special modes, supersampling, better overall hw to access for new games and to those willing to write patches for older games... the benefits are plentiful.
Is it "worth it" time will tell, to a degree. However it will always be subjective. Personally, I see a lot of advantages, all across the board. Especially if willing to sell your PS4 to offset the cost.
A lot of people are talking about how bad this console is, going off of no knowledge, yet the case that it will be good is in the specs, and in the history of the, very good, PS4.
It's like "imagine a more powerful PS4"..."Nah, PS4 is awesome, but a future friendly, more powerful version is clearly trash."
For new buyers the additional expenditure is a no-brainer imo. A lot of bang for the buck. For me, it is worth it, as a current owner. Each has to decide for themselves.
The falsehood that it's native 4k or bust is baffling to me, as we've been in the midst of a gen where we get lectured by gaming journalists that 720 and 900 are fine for 55" sets, and now we expect a $399 console to run native 4k on the same TV, when even high end PC gamers are careful about the power required vs payoff of that resolution. 2160 upscaled, despite DF saying it looked incredible, is somehow "a joke."
I really don't get the hate.
Ive been looking at 4K TV's the past few months because of the push to hit these super high resolutions but just not ready to pull the trigger yet.
I think the biggest draw for me is that most if not all of the big AAA releases going forward will support the Pro and Scorpio.
Im holding off on Tomb Raider and Skyrim remastered until my Pro comes in.
I think the biggest draw for me is that most if not all of the big AAA releases going forward will support the Pro and Scorpio.
Im holding off on Tomb Raider and Skyrim remastered until my Pro comes in.
It's one of the reasons why i buy a Switch and no Pro (as a student i can't buy every console version anymore and tv so i have to make choices) but i agree that post was kinda rude and off topic.
Anyway the ps4 pro will run most new games above 1080p, that would let older hd tv's just run them at 1080p i guess or whatever your maximum resolution is.
I'm on the same boat, op!
I don't plan to get a 4k tv anytime soon, but I'm afraid that some games won't have 1080p support =(
like 4k or nothing =p
As long as we can get 1080p 30 fps (or 60 in some games) i'm already fine with it!
O_O YOU PEOPLEEEEEE
the game will not just refuse to run if you have a 1080p TV, the 4K modes outlined will automatically be resized to your television set by default significantly boosting visual clarity
Always-honest
Banned
I'm on the same boat, op!
I don't plan to get a 4k tv anytime soon, but I'm afraid that some games won't have 1080p support =(
like 4k or nothing =p
As long as we can get 1080p 30 fps (or 60 in some games) i'm already fine with it!
Pfff.. nah man..
digita1alchemy
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I'm not going to buy a 4K TV any time soon, but I'll get a Pro if the VR improvements are significant enough. As an aside, it still seems bizarre to build and market a 4K game console when we still haven't had a console where the majority of the games run at 1080p/60fps. The irony would be that the Pro and Scorpio actually become these consoles.
Athreous
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I'm not saying that it wont run, but that at least it will not work as good as it would in a 4k tv...
I dont get it, the Pro will automatically transform 4k in 1080p? that's rly great if it's true!
Day one I guess then!
SuperDowns
Banned
Is going to perform better for VR?
Heckler456
Banned
I'm not saying that it wont run, but that at least it will not work as good as it would in a 4k tv...
I dont get it, the Pro will automatically transform 4k in 1080p? that's rly great if it's true!
Day one I guess then!
From the information we've seen, we're not sure yet if downsampling automatically happens by the PS4 (sort of like Nvidia DSR, I guess); or if it's a feature developers have to explicitly implement.