PS4 Pro PR has been terrible

ShadowSoldier89 said:
I can run games in 4k on a GTX 720 as well, doesnt mean anything relevant will be 4k.
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That's your own personal (and frankly stupid) opinion of what's "relevant". It's still a false statement.

we haven't even seen the real life difference between games getting to 4K through software techniques and native. First impressions are very positive, and it'll be ironic if this turns out true 4K just becomes a marketing tool and real world diffence is hardly noticeably by the majority of the user base.
 
Gutek said:
I am still baffled at what people like OP want to hear, as the benefits from having a Pro running in 1080p will differ from game to game. There is no blanket "this will do x for you" answer. Every dev will decide what they do with the extra power. Sometimes it's gonna be FPS, sometimes it's gonna be resolution, sometimes it's gonna be extra foliage, and sometimes more complex geometry.

OP should start looking at the games he is interested in and see if he can find info on what the Pro will do for each game.
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Hard to sell that, though.

"PS4 Pro... some of your games will look way better, some will look a tiny bit better."
 
EmiPrime said:
The PS3 didn't do too well at $600 and neither did the Xbox One at $500.

$400 is the sweet spot.
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Neither launched with a low cost version for the mass market. The Pro console wouldn't be the only option for people.


madmackem said:
There's plenty of games going to be native 4K on pro, also if uhd playback is that important to you I'd still go with a better standalone unit.
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I should have been more specific. 4k with the equivalent of high/ultra settings. Nothing we've seen suggests the Pro is going to be capable of that for AAA games. I have a stand alone UHD player now. I'd love to be able to consolidate.
 
GinoFelino said:
By the way, I still don't understand your previous reply. Of course it can output in 4K! The question is whether non-patched games will use a built-in PS4P upscaler (like XB1S does) or whether it outputs in the original resolution and lets your TV take it from there (like PS3 did).
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Of course they will. Why do you keep bringing up the PS3 when the PS4 also has a built in scaler like 360, Wii U, and XB1 did? Obviously they will continue that, i don't see why one would think otherwise.
 
FC Bayern said:
This.

I'm still incredibly bitter about my "New 3DS". Which was required for 1? game (Xenoblade) and "enhanced" others that no one gave a shit about.
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SNES emulation and the past couple of Monster Hunter games, to name a few big ones. The 3D alone made it a pretty solid purchase imo. But for all intents and purposes the PS4 Pro looks to be a much more worthwhile upgrade.

Inuhanyou said:
Of course they will. Why do you keep bringing up the PS3 when the PS4 also has a built in scaler like 360, Wii U, and XB1 did? Obviously they will continue that, i don't see why one would think otherwise.
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I didn't bring up the PS3, the guy I was responding to did.

PS4 upscales to 1080p when necessary, yes, so I'm assuming PS4P will upscale to 4K when necessary too.
 
zoozilla said:
Hard to sell that, though.

"PS4 Pro... some of your games will look way better, some will look a tiny bit better."
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I dunno that's still just talking about older games. Big blockbuster titles going forward will no doubt use the Pro more fully, especially Sony first party.

God of War
Spider-Man
Days Gone
Horizon
Detroit
Dreams
Gran Turismo

There will be software based (games) reasons to get a Pro that will speak more loudly and clear than anything a PR person could say.

I really don't get forums sometimes, we can act so incredibly dumb, when we know time and time again, games is what sells hardware. That's all there is too it.
 
Always-honest said:
Read back a bit.
There is a list of native 4K games.

You are poorly informed and then try to inform others.


depends on the user (and what games they like to play) but it's a reaction to:
It is not a 4k Console.

It can't play games at Native 4K

And that's false.

But we all know that very few big AAA games will be in 4K.
Hopefully for 4K screen owners, the Scorpio will.
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So far it looks like most of what's coming out can't run on native 4K and will be upscaled. Maybe I'm mis-informed, but it's what I've been reading.

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-pro-upsca...oticeable-to-the-untrained-eye-rime-developer

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-you-shouldnt-get-excited-about-4k-and-hdr-gaming-at-least-not-yet/

http://thenextweb.com/gaming/2016/10/21/how-sonys-ps4-pro-will-deliver-4k-resolution-in-games/
 
ShadowSoldier89 said:
its just absolutely pointless to call a console a 4k console when it wont be running modern games in 4k

I've already bought one, I just find this spin worthless
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its your own manufactured spin though. The console has games running in 4K, native and otherwise. You are literally making no sense.
 
ShadowSoldier89 said:
its just absolutely pointless to call a console a 4k console when it wont be running modern games in 4k

I've already bought one, I just find this spin worthless
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What spin? And do you really want another answer to this particular argument, one we've seen tons of times in this thread alone?

iHaunter said:
So far it looks like most of what's coming out can't run on native 4K and will be upscaled. Maybe I'm mis-informed, but it's what I've been reading.

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-pro-upsca...oticeable-to-the-untrained-eye-rime-developer

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-you-shouldnt-get-excited-about-4k-and-hdr-gaming-at-least-not-yet/

http://thenextweb.com/gaming/2016/10/21/how-sonys-ps4-pro-will-deliver-4k-resolution-in-games/
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So what? Most of the PS3/Xbox 360 generation was spent upscaling to 1080p from 720p or lower.

Were the leaps in graphical fidelity from the generation before that one also negligible?
 
zoozilla said:
Hard to sell that, though.

"PS4 Pro... some of your games will look way better, some will look a tiny bit better."
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Well it's the exact same thing for Scorpio! Microsoft has stated, just like Sony, that power is up to the developers to use. Why aren't we getting tons of concern threads about Scorpio?

That aside it's not really that hard to figure out. It's an upgraded PS4. I really wonder if Gaf just can't comprehend simplicity? No one goes to Apple and asks why the iPhone S isn't explained well because every one knows it's more powerful.
 
Burdmayn said:
To be fair, it isn't the job of the gaming media to sell us on a PS4 Pro.
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True, on the other hand, it should be their job to actually have a lot of their own facts straight, but a lot of the time it seems like they contribute to the misinformation and not clarify it like what...gaming media is supposed to do
 
What is it about the Pro and Scorpio that has people acting intentionally obtuse and determined to stay confused about simple things?
 
GinoFelino said:
I didn't bring up the PS3, the guy I was responding to did.

PS4 upscales to 1080p when necessary, yes, so I'm assuming PS4P will upscale to 4K when necessary too.
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You said earlier that PS4 doesn't do 4K output, i was responding to you by saying PS4 Pro has HDMI 2.0 which supports 4K 60, so obviously it will support 4K output and 4K scaling to said output.

ShadowSoldier89 said:
its just absolutely pointless to call a console a 4k console when it wont be running modern games in 4k

I've already bought one, I just find this spin worthless
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But it is running modern games in 4K, not all of them sure, but that's kind of nebulous because by that same definition, most UHD blu rays and not UHD res, but upscaled 1080p on a bigger disk.

The console supports UHD and has the capability to run games at that res more than any previous console, so it is a 4K games console.
 
Hahaha this thread just keeps getting better. 😀
GinoFelino said:
That may have been prior to the checkerboard upscaling solution. I think a higher resolution + checkerboard 4K may be the baseline now.
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Yh probably the case now but yh their definitely shouldn't be <1080p on Pro given it's GPU power increase compared to Base PS4.
 
icespide said:
What is it about the Pro and Scorpio that has people acting intentionally obtuse and determined to stay confused about simple things?
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Wanting a reason to feel good about not buying something most can't afford. Even at this cheap price some will feel left out due to funds.
 
I agree with the overall idea of the thread, but I haven't even seen any PS4 PR or marketing except the original announcement and scattered info I had to seek out myself.

I expect Sony to really ramp up the marketing leading up to launch.

I'm still on the fence and plan to wait for details and impressions before buying.
 
icespide said:
What is it about the Pro and Scorpio that has people acting intentionally obtuse and determined to stay confused about simple things?
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It disrupts one of the main pillars of console gaming. You buy in assuming your hardware wont be obsolete so quickly. Admittedly I'm annoyed by it but I'm adjusting to the idea. At the very least Sony could be more clear about what the advantages of this new iteration are and why I should pay another $400.
 
Inuhanyou said:
You said earlier that PS4 doesn't do 4K output, i was responding to you by saying PS4 Pro has HDMI 2.0 which supports 4K 60, so obviously it will support 4K output and 4K scaling to said output.
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Yeah, OG PS4 doesn't. PS4P obviously does, but if I wanted to be a dick about it, I could say we still don't know for certain whether non-patched PS4 games will upscale through PS4P's upscaler or through your TV's upscaler. I'm not going to do that because 1) I'm not a dick and 2) it's not a very interesting discussion to have.

Onwards and upwards!

breakfuss said:
It disrupts one of the main pillars of console gaming. You buy in assuming your hardware wont be obsolete so quickly. Admittedly I'm annoyed by it but I'm adjusting to the idea. At the very least Sony could be more clear about what the advantages of this new iteration are and why I should pay another $400.
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Not this shittu again
 
Yeah it's still a mess imho.

Console's out in a little more than two weeks, and i still haven't seen enough videos or description to valuate if the investment is worth as an HDTV owner.

And, if i want to buy it, i still have to sell the OG one so i'll have to rush quite a bit.

I want it mainly for FFXV since all the other games i plan on buying next year are either too low profile to get substantial improvements (Persona 5, Nioh, NieR Automata), or they already look amazing on Standard Ps4 (Horizon, Mass Effect). So if the improvements for XV are scarse, i might skip it for now and save those money for a Switch.
 
iHaunter said:
So far it looks like most of what's coming out can't run on native 4K and will be upscaled. Maybe I'm mis-informed, but it's what I've been reading.

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-pro-upsca...oticeable-to-the-untrained-eye-rime-developer

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-you-shouldnt-get-excited-about-4k-and-hdr-gaming-at-least-not-yet/

http://thenextweb.com/gaming/2016/10/21/how-sonys-ps4-pro-will-deliver-4k-resolution-in-games/
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you are...

At this point I'm thinking people are trolling because it can't be that hard to grasp here. I'm mean there's some logic that majority of people should have based on general common sense.

- Sony feels what Pro can accomplish is a big enough improvement to release now. It's logical to assume Pro games will look significantly better regardless of resolution

- PS4 has both Native and software scaled 4K titles

- First impressions are positive

- Small scale Indy and less demanding games will likely be native

- every generation before this, studios like ND, Gears Devs, or GG show us technically impressive games that are on much weaker hardware compared to PC, why would Pro be any different?

- At first everyone hated the idea of upgrading, now it's not a big enough upgrade because some games are checkerboard 4K and some are native? Does everyone on X1 feels like they are having such an inferior experience than on PS4? I don't think so... we are gravely exaggerating the real life difference between native and upscaled, if Sony new it looked so inferior, they likely wouldn't have released Pro. Why not wait till you see it in person?
 
zoozilla said:
Hard to sell that, though.

"PS4 Pro... some of your games will look way better, some will look a tiny bit better."
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It's not that hard to understand and it really shouldn't be that difficult for an enthusiast forum like this one. "How is this PS4 with twice the GPU power going to make my games look better?" is a seriously baffling question to see on this place and it always seems to result in 10+ page threads.

I agree they haven't done the best job of DISPLAYING the difference but the actual information is out there for you to read.
 
Downplaying is silly but people shouldn't also pretend Pro is such a slam dunk for 1080p gamers.

I have a 1080p tv, not gonna upgrade it for a loong while, I think. Now the argument in this thread is that I should drop money for a new console for chance that the games I like get very visible pro patches, depending on the game or dev. It's not like I'm gonna get my mind blown worth 400 euros if a game gets shadows upped from medium to high and AF from 8x to 16x. I'm hoping exclusives, especially Horizon, will be the ones to prove me wrong here since I also have a gaming pc.
 
I think it's a great deal if you trade in your old ps4 - most retailers trade it from 150-200$
With the pro you will be set for 4K in the future and enhanced 1080p games starting November.

Most gaffers are intelligent enough to know that the PS4 pro is Faster,newer,better control,no input lag
*when connecting your controller directly to the ps4 pro*, better IQ, better graphics, better performance when using multiple apps, ect.
 
dragonzdogma said:
I think it's a great deal if you trade in your old ps4 - most retailers trade it from 150-200$
With the pro you will be set for 4K in the future and enhanced 1080p games starting November.

Most gaffers are intelligent enough to know that the PS4 pro is Faster,newer,better control,no input lag *when connecting your controller directly to the ps4 pro*, better IQ, better graphics, better performance when using multiple apps, ect.
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Oh shoot, I forgot about the input lag thing....Is that for 'legacy' PS4 fight sticks too?
 
Yopis said:
Wanting a reason to feel good about not buying something most can't afford. Even at this cheap price some will feel left out due to funds.
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Starting to feel this is the sad truth...I hope more wealth comes to everyone...

Truly no sarcasm...we should all be celebrating right now, having the same old hardware for 6-7 years is incredibly boring, and Sony releasing pro the way they did makes it essentially still a PS4, so no one feels left out with OG. Options are good.
 
icespide said:
What is it about the Pro and Scorpio that has people acting intentionally obtuse and determined to stay confused about simple things?
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I don't know but what I do know is that gamers complaining an acting concerned about something mean fuck all. They'll give in and buy a pro and a scorpio because that's just what gamers do.
Complain but when it comes time to speak with their wallet they can't because the "hype" always gets them. I give most dudes saying their not sure about the pro less than a week before they cave in and buy one.
 
kobu said:
I don't know but what I do know is that gamers complaining an acting concerned about something mean fuck all. They'll give in and buy a pro and a scorpio because that's just what gamers do.
Complain but when it comes time to speak with their wallet they can't because the "hype" always gets them. I give most dudes saying their not sure about the pro less than a week before they cave in and buy one.
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Agreed. Just wait until the first proper DF break down of a major AAA with legit Pro enhancements.
 
breakfuss said:
Bullshit lol
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No...it isn't.

This is the same realization that's dawned on me, as well.

The reason mid-gen refresh console threads get so many salty comments is clearly because the push is coming from two directions: fans of the competing console and fans of the non-enhanced base model that are concerned about spending more, but are also put off by being potentially "left behind."
 
Chamber said:
It's not that hard to understand and it really shouldn't be that difficult for an enthusiast forum like this one. "How is this PS4 with twice the GPU power going to make my games look better?" is a seriously baffling question to see on this place and it always seems to result in 10+ page threads.

I agree they haven't done the best job of DISPLAYING the difference but the actual information is out there for you to read.
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Well to be fair the answer to that question isn't as straightforward as say "How is this PC with twice the GPU power going to make my games look better?"

And there really isn't an answer anyway, as it depends on how the dev wants to use that extra power
 
I guess it has. I certainly haven't heard anything about the console since its reveal. Then again, I don't see why I as a consumer should be concerned about a rich ass company's marketing or their revenue. It's their business and affects me in no meaningful way. I hope the console turns out well but that's about it.
 
Skinpop said:
still hoping this fails miserably. iterative console generations is not something I want.
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That's amazingly selfish. If the original console is still going to run the same games, it hurts absolutely no one to provide a newer version of the system that will run and look better for people who want that.
 
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