The individual sales numbers for the Slim and Pro don't matter unless the Pro is a success. If this thing sells, Sony will not have a problem releasing individual sales numbers for both consoles. If the Pro sells poorly, they will lump the sales together to mask the failure. That's what Microsoft did. MAU was all that was important until 3 months ago when the Xbox One S became the best selling console in the US. Now they can't shut up about hardware sales.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
PS4 Pro PR has been terrible
- Thread starter Caipirinha
- Start date
The individual sales numbers for the Slim and Pro don't matter unless the Pro is a success. If this thing sells, Sony will not have a problem releasing individual sales numbers for both consoles. If the Pro sells poorly, they will lump the sales together to mask the failure. That's what Microsoft did. MAU was all that was important until 3 months ago when the Xbox One S became the best selling console in the US. Now they can't shut up about hardware sales.
"I don't understand checkerboard or geometry rendering, so it doesn't exist!" *drops mic*
PS4 only has 1080p output support. PS4K will have 4K output support. Thus, the upscaling will be more refined for non patched titles on 4K televisions. Said in the Pro FAQ
Scrotum Phillips
Member
I've got one ordered and i'm very excited about its potential.
However, I agree the marketing of this thing has been abysmal so far. We have heard many games are getting improvements, but so far they haven't or more likely Sony hasn't allowed them to speak on it. It's bizarre to me games like Battlefield 1 and Titanfall 2 and especially past games already released that we don't know the specific details about how these games will be improved.
I honestly expected at the minimum basically a daily post on the Playstation blog with devs detailing on how their game will handle the Pro. As someone who has read many articles about this thing, I'm fairly sure I know what to expect...but I'd rather know certainties at this point rather than "probablies" Also, the second some devs start saying "stable framerate," this will sell them some systems to people on the fence.
I've got a friend fiending for some Battlefield that wants a Playstation and i've got to sound like a crazy person telling him to hold off buying one when I can't specifically tell him how the game will be improved.
However, I agree the marketing of this thing has been abysmal so far. We have heard many games are getting improvements, but so far they haven't or more likely Sony hasn't allowed them to speak on it. It's bizarre to me games like Battlefield 1 and Titanfall 2 and especially past games already released that we don't know the specific details about how these games will be improved.
I honestly expected at the minimum basically a daily post on the Playstation blog with devs detailing on how their game will handle the Pro. As someone who has read many articles about this thing, I'm fairly sure I know what to expect...but I'd rather know certainties at this point rather than "probablies" Also, the second some devs start saying "stable framerate," this will sell them some systems to people on the fence.
I've got a friend fiending for some Battlefield that wants a Playstation and i've got to sound like a crazy person telling him to hold off buying one when I can't specifically tell him how the game will be improved.
mcdomination
Member
Depending on which "regular" games you're talking about - either quite a lot or nothing at all.
Are you planning on never buying any new PS4 games after October 2016? Because after this month, ALL PS4 games that are released will have a "Pro Mode".
zackmorris
Member
But we still don't know a ton about scorpio either...
you are not gaming in 4k on the Xbox OneS lmao. Holy crap what the hell you think youve been sold. what is going on in this thread.
How many FAQ's does Sony need to put on their website, and how many incredibly technical and informative interviews does Cerny have to take part in before people give up on this idea that Sony isn't telling us what this thing does?
It's at the point now where I'm struggling to give people the benefit of the doubt...
It's at the point now where I'm struggling to give people the benefit of the doubt...
GinoFelino
Member
Really curious to see this in action.
Sony's 4K upscaling in their TVs is considered to be the best in the industry. I wonder if that knowledge has crossed over to PS4 Pro's upscaler for non-patched games.
FairXchange
Member
I don't think they can or should promise any features when it is developer specific. I think once it's released we will have a great amount of information about how it benefits games. Right now we know it's more than double a PS4's power, and that's enough for me to go out and get it.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Agreed. Bought one because Cerny whispered me to.
Ok, that's probably true.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I think most people just want side by side comparisons.
SenkiDala
Member
I think a lot of people are trying to convince themselves that it's "useless", and "doesn't worth it". Why? Because it's annoying to sell the OG PS4 to buy a new one, because it's money to use that you could use on something else/other games... I think in fact they are tempted. 
The real people who don't mind the PS4 Pro improvements just don't talk about the Pro and continue to play on their actual PS4.
The real people who don't mind the PS4 Pro improvements just don't talk about the Pro and continue to play on their actual PS4.
Give War A Chance
Member
As someone who is very interested in buying one, I'm going to wait until it's out in the public's hands for a bit so we can get real impressions of what's different for games on a 1080p set, and what's different for games on a 4K set, and if it's even worth it.
Sony PR has been bad, but I think it's partially because they can't really force developers to use the new system in any specific other way than "make a PS4 Pro version of your game," which could mean anything for devs.
I think results will vary drastically between devs, some using for resolution, some for performance....
Gonna be weird to see in the console space. Honestly, if I could get the PS exclusives on PC, Id have already built one.
Sony PR has been bad, but I think it's partially because they can't really force developers to use the new system in any specific other way than "make a PS4 Pro version of your game," which could mean anything for devs.
I think results will vary drastically between devs, some using for resolution, some for performance....
Gonna be weird to see in the console space. Honestly, if I could get the PS exclusives on PC, Id have already built one.
I wonder if its any different from the XB1S's 4K upscaling support. I don't know if these companies use different scalers or not when dealing with AMD
This is the most correct post in the thread.
Always-honest
Banned
What? Oh, haha, you're in a console war?
Okay: Yes, the PS Pro does 4K gaming, for you information. But no big* AAA game will ever be native 4K.
HOWEVEr, i was reacting to a guy who said the XboxS does 4K gaming. so.. that was all.
No console war on my part. I can't wait what the Scorpio will do.
*apparently there are even native AAA games in 4K so you're even more wrong than i thought you were.
GinoFelino
Member
I think a lot of people are trying to convince themselves that it's "useless", and "doesn't worth it". Why? Because it's annoying to sell the OG PS4 to buy a new one, because it's money to use that you could use on something else/other games... I think in fact they are tempted.
The real people who don't mind the PS4 Pro improvements just don't talk about the Pro and continue to play on their actual PS4.
Yep. Seemingly a lot of people ITT publicly justifying their choice not to buy it.
Hell, I REALLY don't want to sell my OG PS4 (MGS V edition) either.
Hmm. True. But the hardware arranging for 4K output is probably not identical between XB1S and PS4P.
That's a very strange definition of AAA you've got there. Sports games aren't AAA?
Frostman
Member
Yeah i think this is what it is.
People don't like to read........ believe it or not, comparisons would be the gentle push to persuade people to buy.
Always-honest
Banned
Oh, haha. Maybe. What game is that? Sorry, sport games are not in my system, haha.
Edit:
OH these?
- NBA 2K17 (Native 4K@60FPS + HDR)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2017 (Native 4K@60FPS)
Well, then yes... Even AAA 4K gaming. Maybe i should say "larger scale games" but i guess most AAA games will be too big for native 4K.
Sony will not disclose Ps4 Pro numbers even if the thing sells 20m week 1, they already stated that it is a Ps4 and numbers will be merged onto Ps4 numbers altogether.
Just like Microsoft will use Xbox One and Scorpio numbers together as they do with Xbox One S, would make no sense otherwise.
It is the same gen and will run the same games so it is the same potential userbase for devs, once next gen starts it will once again be different.
The Pro CANNOT cannibalize PS4 sales because it IS a PS4...
Sony doesn't care which one you buy, they just want you buying one of them and getting you in their ecosystem buying games and services...
If Sony sells 500,000 slims and 500,000 Pros there is no cannibalization...it's simply 1,000,000 PS4's sold...
Yes , it does look right because the Pro is ABSOLUTELY a 4k games console...there is an ever growing list of true native 4k games, including the likes of NBA 2k17...which is more than I expected from the Pro based on its specs...
Of course most of the heavy hitters...Battlefield, CoD, Uncharted, Horizon, and the more demanding titles will rely on checkerboard rendering to achieve 4k, biut by all accounts from the likes of digital foundry the results are stunning! Even the checkerboard rendered games will be rendering at an internal res SIGNIFICANTLY higher than 1080p...
GinoFelino
Member
Yeah, those
Also, I'd call Skyrim Special Edition and Last of Us Remastered AAA titles, but they're remasters so that's whatever.
I think Sony has been holding back because they still want PS4s to sell. The push will come soon enough. For me it's a no brainer to have all games going forward to run at minimum 1080p. If it has supersampling all the better. Once comparisons for games like Battlefield One, Titanfall 2, Call of Duty, etc start coming out it will be a clear upgrade for those who want better performance for their console games.
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah, those
Also, I'd call Skyrim Special Edition and Last of Us Remastered AAA titles, but they're remasters so that's whatever.
Yeah those don't count imo. But great anyway.
Raven77
Member
$400 dollars for 1080p is a steep price to pay. As someone else mentioned, Sony has been very unclear about the benefits of a non 4K TV owner. 1080p just isn't enough, at least for me. Maybe it is for others and that's fine.
A before and after picture for super sampling would be an easy thing to show. Will all pro-enhanced games get super sampling though? That's a question that Sony needs to address.
And I agree. It's not a very compelling product.
AngelOFDeath
Member
I just wish I had a 4K tv.... soon... soon.
Not saying I need one to enjoy the benefits of a Pro, I really wish I had one because they are super pretty.
Back on topic, I'm pretty sure once November rolls in we are going to start seeing tech blogs with news articles about the Pro. Interviews with individuals from Sony and the benefits of having a Pro for all users. Give it time it'll happen.
Not saying I need one to enjoy the benefits of a Pro, I really wish I had one because they are super pretty.
Back on topic, I'm pretty sure once November rolls in we are going to start seeing tech blogs with news articles about the Pro. Interviews with individuals from Sony and the benefits of having a Pro for all users. Give it time it'll happen.
GinoFelino
Member
What are you trying to say exactly?
Because the benefits for 1080p TV owners were just explained to you in great detail
What do you mean by '1080p isn't enough for me'?
Wait...1080p isn't enough for non-4k TV owners? That doesn't make any sense...
Sony has been VERY clear that all games that render above 1080p will supersample down to 1080p providing essentially free AA and really cleaning up the image quality when compared to the OG PS4...the developers are also free to create 1080p specific modes which use the power to increase particle effects, give more stable framerates, increase shadow quality, draw distance, texture quality, etc...etc...
The VERY bare minimum requirements for the Pro are 1080p native and a framerate that is equal or better than its OG PS4 counterpart...
So bare minimum improvements are games like Battlefield 1 will run at 1080p, and most likely a more stable 60fps...
0ptimusPayne
Member
I'm not crazy concerned about getting updates to way older games that I've thoroughly enjoyed on my launch PS4 for the last couple of years(Outside of getting TLOU Remaster in native 4K 0_o). I'm very excited about what future titles hold tech/performance wise from the top dogs in the industry. I cannot wait to play BF1, Horizon, GOW4, ME4, Days gone, Read dead 2 on the updated hardware. I believe that we will see a satisfying performance/IQ/Effects boost to new games compared to the current hardware Devs are stuck squeezing all they can out of. I think the PR leading up to the launch could be better, but I'm sure the PR post launch will be in all of our faces with "Shown on PS4 Pro hardware" etc.
Yeah all those games, specs details and sweet price spot on Scorpio are incredible...right?
Wat.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Sony can't be clear because it's up to the devs .
This has been said many times and the only thing for certain is you can expect is supersample AA on 1080p tvs.
Everything else will depend on the devs and games ,some will be better than others .
It remains to be seen if the PS4P will upscale shit. The PS3 after all didn't upscale anything and let the TV do all the work (except for DVDs, I believe).
D
Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
I think they just worry about hyping it too much and pissing off the typical console gamer who expects their machine to be the standard for 4-5 years. That or they just aren't expecting/planning major upgrades for those on 1080p sets.
Bits N Pieces
Member
1080pr and Faux K.
The forums will be a delight for the next 3 years! lol
The forums will be a delight for the next 3 years! lol
What do you mean? I'm confused. You'd need a 4K TV to go higher than 1080p.
Bondo
Member
And we know soooo much about the scorpio?
Your making no sense. PS4 upscales or downscales to any resolution regardless of internal resolution. Why are you bringing PS3 into this?
GinoFelino
Member
Well, I'm assuming it will. When quick switching between the PS4 menu and the game (running at 1080p) with the PS4 menu running in 4K, it'd be super weird to have your TV flicker to switch between resolutions every time you go into the PS4 menu.
Well, OG PS4 doesn't upscale to 4K currently
Haha, yeah...I love this one...
"idk anything about the Pro (because I'm choosing to be obtuse), so I'll wait on the Scorpio(which is nothing more than a spec sheet with no price)!"
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Didn't they add extra memory that only renders the UI at 4k?
WhiskerFrisker
Member
The Scorpio talk is really getting out of hand. I'm getting one, but the amount of people shitting on the Pro and in the same breath state support for the Scorpio like they know everything is unbelievable.
Always-honest
Banned
Who ever came up with Faux K is brilliant. However incorrect it might be.
I think that by far is the most baffling thing I read on here. Microsoft gave people a short hype video, specs on a paper napkin and they are sold, then sony has a full presentation explaining their console and its capabilities, price, tons of videos and impressions from people like DF and they still have no idea about it over a months worth of coverage and content. At this point I dont even know what to say.
Omnistalgic
Member
Once Horizon comes out...
Threads like this will look silly...
Pro does not need a huge marketing push, they are not playing catch up like MS. Just trying to extend the lead. It's still a PS4, forum goers are more informed, but in the age of smartphones, the general public is not stupid either. I'm sure the "pro" identifies a lot.
Threads like this will look silly...
Pro does not need a huge marketing push, they are not playing catch up like MS. Just trying to extend the lead. It's still a PS4, forum goers are more informed, but in the age of smartphones, the general public is not stupid either. I'm sure the "pro" identifies a lot.