RocknRola
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Isn't professor a genderless word (in English) though?
Is the Pokémon "Are you a boy or girl?" thing outdated?
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Isn't professor a genderless word (in English) though?
Captain Smoker
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I'm not schooling him, I didn't even mention him in that sentence, it's a basic statement.
What I'm trying to say is this:
Omega, if you feel negative about my post I'm sorry, because my choice of words could've been really more sensitive, I wanted to give you some basic advice about a topic which will help you. You already did an awesome and respectful job to post this and express your feelings openly.
I wish you the best and keep on that path, but stop hating yourself, that's the most important part!
And because "stop hating yourself" is just a phrase and no advice, I tell you to look into the topic of self confidence, so you're going to start to respect and love yourself and this will lead to the respect you deserve from others.
Yes.
yup, that's what it boils down to. especially the middle part. But as this thread has proven, it's most definitely always worthy of a discussion.
chillybright
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Off topic. But Pokemon games have less SAVE SLOTS than gender options.
Now THAT is really outdated.
Now THAT is really outdated.
RocknRola
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I was being silly. *wink*Well then, no need for profesora in there
GinoFelino
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I appreciate this post and you apologizing, but don't backtrack on trying to school someone on the world being a harsh place and the whining stuff..
Instead, own up to it and just try to be more sensible in the future. Literally no one needs 'harsh' advice from a stranger.
KojiKnight
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Too many people are trying to complicate this... There doesn't need to be a third option. There doesn't need to be a question asked at all.
This is the type of thing that could be applied to a new game without fanfare, without mention and no one would even notice. There doesn't need to be a controversial 'third option' added.
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RocknRola
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Can anyone explain to me how this can be modernised super easily, taking into consideration all the text used in the game?
BassForever
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Do we even know if Pokemon Sun/Moon asks this question? For all we know it might just asks us to choose a default avatar and with the amount of customization in sun/moon for clothing and hairstyles I imagine 99% of the lgbtq community will be able to create a character they can identify with. The next logical step is just letting the player fully customize from the start of the game but the options are in game from what we've seen in the previews.
So people don't associate with the character they play..
Hmmm...
I'm not sure what this post is trying to convey. The characters in that image have a wide array of personality types. Solid Snake is nothing like Michael (GTA guy) or Nathan Drake, for instance. You can't possibly align yourself with that many characters.
that's a) incredibly ignorant and shitty
and b) false. "other" or "neither" as a third option covers all the extra bases.
Captain Smoker
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You are right, it's just the first choice of words that popped into my mind, can't change it now.
I don't like to see people beating themselves, everyone deserves to be the best "himself" and I'm direct about this message.
I hope you don't take the "stop whining" part that negative Omega, read it as "stop feeling bad about yourself".
good luck.KojiKnight
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#1: The person you create is a voiceless protagonist.
#2: X and Y always refers to the character by their nickname or "you" or "that trainer". I don't think they used a gendered pronoun once.
Seems to me the game is already pretty set, just remove the binary option and give people a character creator.
"What is your gender?"
*Text box pops up letting user type anything in*
"Select an avatar"
*Various avatars pop up for the player to select*
Then maybe a screen where you select pronouns
Salty Rice
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So people don't associate with the character they play..
Hmmm...
This makes zero sense. What are you even try to say?
Are these user generated characters? I dont think so. If anything you support these statements with your nice showing.
Females play these games.
what i don't know is whether there are languages where "you" is gendered. Some cunning linguist got any insight on this?
yeah, see, even i would consider that sub optimal ... first of all, giving free text entry is never a good idea. "gender: FART LOL", also this is kinda super complicated. i'd stick with "other". And i don't think gendered pronouns occur as often as many of us think.
Someone should do a rom-dump and scan the transcripts
BassForever
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He's trying to make a statement about so many games starring white skinned males which isn't really relevant to the discussion of pokemon which since x/y let you pick race of your character and said image really belongs in a thread about race diversity in games and not sexual prefrences.
RocknRola
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The easiest solution is really just to give players a character creator without the "gender" option. Just add all the current default male/female parts (face, body, eyes, hairs, mouths, clothes, etc) into the creator and let players mix and match I guess.
Like I've said already, I really don't care so I'm more than fine with whatever the majority wants.
Like I've said already, I really don't care so I'm more than fine with whatever the majority wants.
I really don't see the issue with this whatsoever. It's a game ffs.
Lol, do you think that about every question posed to you in a videogame? Mountain/molehill scenario.
KojiKnight
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Japanese doesn't at least. Only other language I kind of know.
WaterAstro
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Is Ditto a boy or a girl?
So people don't associate with the character they play..
Hmmm...
Your picture doesn't show up for me but sure, some people might pretend that the character in a game is actually them. But we both know that it isn't actually that person, and that when you pick a Pokémon trainer it's not actually you becoming the Pokémon trainer... and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, if later in the game someone asks "you" to do something like catch a squirtle, you don't actually do it. You control a fantasy character in a fantasy world catching fantasy animals. It's not you. The professor doesn't talk to you and neither do the other NPCs. You aren't a pokemon trainer I assure you. And so your characters gender doesn't have any impact on your gender.
All that said, it is trivial to add more options and I think that they should be inclusive. But don't pretend the professor is talking to you about your gender.
Simbabbad
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This.
BassForever
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just as an (important?) sidenote - this isn't a thread about sexual preference.
Bah you have me there should have said gender prefrences, I guess asking the 10-11 year old avatar their sexual prefrence would be weird
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That it doesn't matter because it's a "fictional character" yet it's your average white male hero.
Bah you have me there should have said gender prefrences, I guess asking the 10-11 year old avatar their sexual prefrence would be weird
"Hello, i'm professor Oak. Tell me, in general - Do you want the D?" [YES] [NO]
Omega Ultimus
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Just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my post, or read it all the way through for all that matter. It's a tremendous feeling to "take the first step", and have it be acknowledged, regardless of how it's received.
I appreciate this post, I really do. But, you've got it all wrong, dude. It's not about Pokemon or about demanding change or even expecting it. It's just me letting people know that these types of people exist, and I just felt like I had to take advantage of this momentary bravery, or otherwise I might never. I think what I wrote required more self-respect than I've had in a long while, and it's only growing from here.
Also, you have no idea how many "toughen up" spiels I've gotten over the years - I was shaped by that rhetoric, and I largely follow it to this day. It's not bad advice by any means, but it doesn't really apply to my disposition or situation. Like you said, you don't really understand my situation but sincerely tried to help , so I'm not offended by any means. Honestly, I'm thankful that you took the time to write that out of a hope that it would guide me towards a state of self-acceptance and satisfaction.
However, this situation isn't something you can just trudge through blindly without expecting some sort of backlash from society at-large or even in some cases, your parents, so that's why I got to take my time with it.
I'm not whining, I'm not outraged. Like I said, I'm just here. How you react is all you, but I appreciate the honesty regardless. EDIT: Saw the edit! No need to rephrase or rescind, really. You're cool in my book Captain.
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Alright, sorry for the long post everyone, I think I'll stop from derailing the thread further.
Seriously, thanks for your time.
I'm singling this post out because it's basically exactly everything I've felt and gone through. I guess I would say I'm agender, but things get fuzzy when nearly everything has a gender label and people themselves are varied in such minute ways. I don't know the extent to which being agender (kind of a paradoxical irony in this case, huh) affects your interaction with people, but I hope you keep your head up. Thanks, NoblesseOblige. PM if you ever wanna chat about anything!
I appreciate this post, I really do. But, you've got it all wrong, dude. It's not about Pokemon or about demanding change or even expecting it. It's just me letting people know that these types of people exist, and I just felt like I had to take advantage of this momentary bravery, or otherwise I might never. I think what I wrote required more self-respect than I've had in a long while, and it's only growing from here.
Also, you have no idea how many "toughen up" spiels I've gotten over the years - I was shaped by that rhetoric, and I largely follow it to this day. It's not bad advice by any means, but it doesn't really apply to my disposition or situation. Like you said, you don't really understand my situation but sincerely tried to help , so I'm not offended by any means. Honestly, I'm thankful that you took the time to write that out of a hope that it would guide me towards a state of self-acceptance and satisfaction.
However, this situation isn't something you can just trudge through blindly without expecting some sort of backlash from society at-large or even in some cases, your parents, so that's why I got to take my time with it.
I'm not whining, I'm not outraged. Like I said, I'm just here. How you react is all you, but I appreciate the honesty regardless. EDIT: Saw the edit! No need to rephrase or rescind, really. You're cool in my book Captain.
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Alright, sorry for the long post everyone, I think I'll stop from derailing the thread further.
Seriously, thanks for your time.
KojiKnight
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If you have to use the word 'but' after making a statement... it's probably not true. Especially if you then add "fuck" and then go on a mini tirade about how things are different than what you want.
Salty Rice
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I still dont know what you wanna say with this pictures. What have the "white male hero" to do with anything.
This is a thread about choice. These are established characters in their games with the exception of Shepard.
True, but pokemon is aimed towards children so the dialogue is always like that.
I could see game freak working more on character customization because I enjoyed X/Y way of doing it.
yeah, see, even i would consider that sub optimal ... first of all, giving free text entry is never a good idea. "gender: FART LOL", also this is kinda super complicated. i'd stick with "other". And i don't think gendered pronouns occur as often as many of us think.
Someone should do a rom-dump and scan the transcripts
I see what you're saying, but if gender matters to someone they won't put FART LOL and if it doesn't matter to someone and they write something stupid, it doesn't matter
I mean you can call yourself FUCK in Zelda games, but that's not a strong argument for removing the naming feature from the series
especially seeing as the quoted poster has somewhat opened up to the importance of inclusiveness and the relative ease in which it could be achieved.
But alas, we're at that point where people just driveby shitpost. (*cough* looking at that attack helicopter.) Was fun while it lasted
well, while a name is something where everyone accepts that people are 'different' and you don't have bigots arguing why you're not called "Mike" "Steve" or "John" - because those are the 3 natural names there are, gender is a ... more serious issue? Where bigots do exactly that - argue that the situation you are in doesn't really exist, arguing that what you identify as as a person is a joke.
I wouldn't want people posting screenshots saying "LOL I PUT ATTACK HELICOPTER AS A GENDER". I think that feature would be much more used for shaming, bullying and ridicule than it would be to actually accurately represent ones gender. Which is why 'other' or 'neither' sounds like a much more adequate solution. imho.
Really the only characteristic they share is the fact that they're white and hold a protagonistic role. NOBODY should ever want a life like Solid Snake's, Michael's or Ethan Mars. Some of the people in that picture aren't even heroes - they're the villains.
All in all, I'm still not quite sure what it is you want to elaborate.
Really? I find it strange that there could be any scene with 3 or more characters where characters don't refer to the player character indirectly. I'm pretty sure this has happened in a bunch of the pokemon games I've played.
Fair enough - its role playing. But that just moves the problem, it doesn't get away from it. Instead of not allowing you to choose an accurate reflection of yourself, it is saying 'which of these two will your character be'? Effectively reducing everyone to only two choices. Which arguably reinforces gender norms etc because nobody can choose to be anything else.
Not that I think Pokemon necessarily needs to be the title to change this, but it pretty much comes up with any big title that has character selection options.
My gf works in localisation and runs into this headache every day.
There is nothing wrong with having two character options though. It's more than Zelda has. Or Mario. Or metroid. Or most games.
Again not against more character options, I'm all for it.
"take a photo of yourself with this camera to use on your pokemon trainer ID card". Bam avatar select screen.
yeah, i mean in Pokemon.
And even then, you could work around that issue by replacing "he" "his" and "him" by
"Dock", "Dock's" and "Dock"
Which is a more polite way to talk about someone in third person when they are present, anyways
win-winNot really, but shitpost away.
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