United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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RedZaraki said:
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We're in for a long night.
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Oh god, that's horrifying.
 
Korey said:
Ok I don't really understand what you're asking, and I'm not familiar with the government you're talking about.

You asked why the House and President can be from different parties, but then you state that in your govt there's a Senate that provides checks and balances?
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I'm observing that the President doesn't seem to have any control over the legislature. If the Democrats win for example the Republicans could still control both houses and it's the houses where Shit Gets Done.

This is surprising for me and I was interested to know the advantages of having a complete separation between executive and legislative. Especially given that there are other systems which function as well and arguably better.

In the US, the House = the Senate. They're in the same branch called Congress. They provide checks and balances to the President.
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As far as I can tell:

The US House = The Lower House or House of Representatives. This is where bills are proposed and budgets are made.
The US Senate = The Senate. This is where bills are sent to become law. It's also the places where budgets are passed and money is approved to be spent.
 
Joe said:
Was he Indian by any chance? Trump has fans in India because they perceive he will not try to enforce restrictions on their fossil fuel usage or criticize their human rights issues.
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He definitely seemed middle Eastern but I don't know what race he belonged to and I don't really want to assume. I wasn't going to pay too much attention to his silliness just thought it was interesting that someone is in a Canadian city promoting Trump.
 
Polioliolio said:
Trump will win Ohio. Trump supporters are everywhere, with signs in many yards.
Occasionally you see Hillary signs, but I suspect supporters are afraid of putting signs up, expecting vandalism from Trump supporters (my sister's signs were vandalized, and I have friend's who are afraid of putting signs up)

Last I heard, he was up in Ohio by 3-5 points..

I don't have faith here. I know more Trump supporters personally, than Hillary supporters too.. There's an air of conservative control.
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There have been internal polling leaks that said the race is pretty dead even in Ohio. Public polls have shown him slightly ahead, maybe +1 or +2 average. Turnout has been about equal to 2012 around Cleveland and Columbus where Hillary needs to rack up the votes to offset the rest of the state.
 
Bob Coffee said:
The electoral college is to prevent an actual dangerious canidate from rising to power. You vote for your canidates electorial college people for your state, they vote almost always on party lines, the one with 270 electoral votes becomes the president.

Otherwise the us goverment is based on a series of checks and balances, that in theory should force compromise but it doesnt work too good when one party is a bunch of obstructionist fuckwads.
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Yeah, and how has that worked out this election cycle? Had Clinton been slightly more unpopular than she'd is right now the world would be facing the very real prospect of a President Trump. At least in a Parliamentary system the head of government can be removed at any time and replaced with someone more sane. I really don't think the US system is a sensible model of government, neither does the rest of the world it seems judging by how many countries have the Westminster model as their system.
 
According to most political analysts up here in Canada,Clinton would be best for us...c'mon neighbours,help us out ;)
 
thestopsign said:
There have been internal polling leaks that said the race is pretty dead even in Ohio. Public polls have shown him slightly ahead, maybe +1 or +2 average. Turnout has been about equal to 2012 around Cleveland and Columbus where Hillary needs to rack up the votes to offset the rest of the state.
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Lebron will bring it home.
 
xsive said:
I'm observing that the President doesn't seem to have any control over the legislature. If the Democrats win for example the Republicans could still control both houses and it's the houses where Shit Gets Done.

This is surprising for me and I was interested to know the advantages of having a complete separation between executive and legislative. Especially given that there are other systems which function as well and arguably better.



As far as I can tell:

The US House = The Lower House or House of Representatives. This is where bills are proposed and budgets are made.
The US Senate = The Senate. This is where bills are sent to become law. It's also the places where budgets are passed and money is approved to be spent.
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The US system came to be due to the colonies unfortunate experience they endured under a repressive regime that they had no control over. Once independence from GB was secured there was a perceived fear by many in the new American republic that their own country would also end up as a repressive dictatorship, led by a tyrannical executive. Hence the system put into place that created a strong legislature (Congress) to oversee the work of the Executive (the Presidency).

At a fundamental level what the Americans created was what existed in Britain at the time: an executive (Crown) and legislature (Parliament) that existed as two distinct bodies. Over time the executive and legislature in Britain began to come together to form the Westminster system whereby the Parliament is responsible for appointing the executive. In the US however the two remain fundamentally separate.

It's also worth mentioning that "government" has different meanings in the US compared to Europe where the Westminster system prevails. In the US "government" refers to the executive (WH), Legislature (Congress) and Judiciary (courts) collectively. A Congressman or Senator is a member of the US Government. In Europe however "government" refers exclusively to the executive so a lowly MP in the British Commons wouldn't be considered part of the British Government. When one talks about the British Government they're referring to Her Majesty's Government (The Crown), led by the Prime Minister and cabinet. Parliament is NOT part of the United Kingdom Government. Technically it doesn't even appoint the government, but that's just a peculiarity of Britain's unwritten constitution.

There are good and bad points re the Westminster model. While actual work can be implemented more quickly it does mean it's next to impossible to stop unpopular laws from being enacted. Opposition MP's can't even try get their own bills through parliament as the government invariably shuts down any debate before it can even reach the floor for a vote. On the whole though I feel the Parliamentary system is the better form of government.
 
If Trump wins, the people at my party have made a pact that we're going to drink everything in my alcohol cupboards...

...which will result in almost certain death, but at least it'll be fairly quick.
 
The only states I'm not sure about are Iowa and Ohio. The news has been saying the Hispanic vote has been up, so I think Florida will be Hillary.
 
I honestly cant comprehend Trump winning. He is such a walking piece of shit in so many ways i cannot be in a country thats heading down that road. its terrifying i just dont understand it.
 
Whose prediction in terms of final score & map was the closest on GAF? I'd like to see his prediction this time.

Reminds of the good-ole NPD threads.
 
xsive said:
The US House = The Lower House or House of Representatives. This is where bills are proposed and budgets are made.
The US Senate = The Senate. This is where bills are sent to become law. It's also the places where budgets are passed and money is approved to be spent.
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That isn't actually true. In simple terms, all laws have to be passed by a vote from both houses, but bills can be introduced in either the House or the Senate. A bill that is passed first by the House will then be sent to the Senate for consideration, but the reverse is also possible. The one stipulation is that any law having to do with taxation must originate in the House.

The Senate does have a few unique powers though: the Senate confirms executive appointments made by the President, and the Senate has to ratify any treaties with foreign powers.
 
SkyOdin said:
That isn't actually true. In simple terms, all laws have to be passed by a vote from both houses, but bills can be introduced in either the House or the Senate. A bill that is passed first by the House will then be sent to the Senate for consideration, but the reverse is also possible. The one stipulation is that any law having to do with taxation must originate in the House.

The Senate does have a few unique powers though: the Senate confirms executive appointments made by the President, and the Senate has to ratify any treaties with foreign powers.
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To add to that, the House has more members since Representatives are elected more proportionately (by congressional district) while the Senate only had 2 members per state. In the old days, the House was the only body whose members were directly selected by the voting public while the Senators were appointed by state legislatures. The purpose for the existence of the two houses and their differing methods of appointment was twofold: partly an argument over how to properly represent states (since big states fare better with proportionate voting but small states fare better with the Senate's system) and because the Senate acted as a check on democracy by representing entrenched interests.
 
Didn't people say there was no way Brexit would happen? I don't trust people in 2016, and I won't breathe properly until it is over.
 
Majine said:
Didn't people say there was no way Brexit would happen? I don't trust people in 2016, and I won't breathe properly until it is over.
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In what way?

Brexit had many deniers, but Polls were always tight and Yes was trending in the days ahead of the election.
 
Pamplemousse said:
The only states I'm not sure about are Iowa and Ohio. The news has been saying the Hispanic vote has been up, so I think Florida will be Hillary.
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I feel like Ohio is going to come through, but Iowa is long gone. Most of the states in the Rust Belt are going to turn red permanently one day, but the good news is that many of these same states will lose electoral points at the beginning of each decade. North Carolina and Georgia will likely have more points than Ohio will by 2030, and Virginia will have only one less. Texas seems like the only solid red state that will continue to grow in electoral points, but even Texas is at risk of becoming more blue as time passes by.
 
Majine said:
Didn't people say there was no way Brexit would happen? I don't trust people in 2016, and I won't breathe properly until it is over.
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Brexit was in the margin of error really, it wasn't quite the polling upset people made it out to be. The polls did pick up an imaginary last minute surge to remain that never happened, but apart from that they weren't far off.
 
Everyone's saying they're going to be relieved on 11/9, but now I'm worrying that some BS is going to happen that will somehow drag all of this out for another month or two, 2000 style.
 
RedShift said:
Brexit was in the margin of error really, it wasn't quite the polling upset people made it out to be. The polls did pick up an imaginary last minute surge to remain that never happened, but apart from that they weren't far off.
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Brexit was also a one time event, which are always harder to poll or predict. This Presidential thingy has "some" history.
 
thebloo said:
Brexit was also a one time event, which are always harder to poll or predict. This Presidential thingy has "some" history.
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Plus, the Brexit poll results were largely in favor of Brexit happening for almost the entire time up until the last couple of days. There are literally zero similarities.
 
Machina said:
Good luck with that shit. The Republicans have lost every minority in the United States for good now. They will die out relying on just white men
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Hell, I'd go so far to say that to a good chunk of us, Conservatism is now a dirty word just like Liberal has been for the past couple of decades.

A liberal party helped nominate the first Black president and the first Woman president. The party that proudly wears its Conservatism on its sleeve nominated Donald fucking Trump.

And what's funny is that some of the token minorities they hoped that would help them, ended up supporting and voting for Donald Trump.

For example, I'd say a Jeb Bush or fucking John Kasich would get a higher percent of the Hispanic vote than Marco Rubio.
 
I voted a couple of hours ago, in San Mateo County (near SF). Line was over 2 hours long for early voting (they only have a few places open in the county to do so). Hooray for participation!
 
geardo said:
I'm going with no for both of your questions. Even if Hillary had the political will to go after campaign finance reform (which I highly doubt), she will be obstructed at every turn - including getting someone on the court who could actually make overturning that ruling a possibility. I suspect that she'll have a middling, unimpressive, risk adverse presidency - marked by unprecedented republican obstructionism. At this point, the TYT plan for getting money out of politics is probably more likely to happen lol.
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Bah. I think it's a shame the focus has shifted so far from the Senate races. Those appear to be tightening a good amount too and it's very critical to flip that for any progress at all for sure.
 
I've gotta turn in my mail in ballot on Tuesday (I waited too long to mail it). As a lifelong registered republican, if feels odd voting for Hillary, but it's the no-brainer right move, to me.
 
Can't believe 80k Japanese people are watching a Hillary vs. Trump quotations/history documentary on NicoNico right now

Edit: Hillary is voiced by Goku and Trump is Shu from Dragon Ball :P
 
My father in law (60 year old white redneck) ran phones for Hillary in Missouri today. Ya'll don't know him, but this is a big deal.
 
What is with all these polls showing tightening. What percentage of votes have already come in? What is the senate going to look like?
 
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