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[darkwing]

How do jobs that have been outsourced to other countries come back to America? It would seem to me, there will always be cheaper labor overseas. Cutting Corporate taxes will allow them to see more revenue, not decide to move jobs back home. But there has to be some way for these jobs to come back, right?

remove the minimum wage law?

 

[mercenar1e]

Once the ACA is gone, what has Obama done donestically in 8 years? (The bailout packages were being developed before he became POTUS)

the first two years he had Democratic control and that was the only thing he passed.. lol what a failure.

nobody will remember ACA in 30 years.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

It's pretty strange that they are trying to drive competition with insurance providers instead of the service providers. The discussion is always, WHO is paying the bill instead of WHY is the bill so insane. I recently had a thyroglossal duct cyst removed and counting all tests and procedures, the final cost to Aetna was $21,000. That is after they got their negotiated rate. My out of pocket max was $3000. So not too crazy for me, but everyone else paying premiums to Aetna footed the remaining $12,000(my company pays $6000 to Aetna). This cost is insane given the amount of time anyone spent on me. The CT scan itself was $5000. I spent 5 minutes in the machine and im sure the Radiologists spent the same time looking at the images. Why in fuckin Sam hill does a CT scan costs $5000? Machine did not look new either so costs had to have been reimbursed before I got there.

Yeah, I'm always reminded of this story I heard on NPR back when the ACA was being debated in Congress:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120545569

...

Professor HOWARD FORMAN (Diagnostic Radiology, Yale University): That's the MRI of a lumbar spine - with total charges submitted by the hospital: $2,352.96 cents. Aetna had a negotiated rate of $1,731 just for an MRI of the lumbar spine, which is a fairly routine study. It's a lot of money.

...

JOFFE-WALT: A comparison: Professor Yekagami, also a health care economist, although he is in Japan. And he has had many, many MRIs. And do you know how much a MRI cost in Japan?

Prof. YEKAGAMI: Hundred and sixty dollars.

...

The crux of the issue is basically a combination of three things:

1.) We buy needlessly expensive equipment.

2.) We don't negotiate the prices for this equipment like other countries do.

3.) We pay doctors more.

 

[Jarmel]

the first two years he had Democratic control and that was the only thing he passed.. lol what a failure.

He tried going the bipartisanship route and it fucked him every single step of the way.

It's only fitting that Comey, a bipartisan pick, end up screwing him over in the end.

 

[border]

I know Republicans want to kill ACA, but can it easily be repealed after the Courts already made a decision on it?

It's just a law. If you want to get rid of it, you just pass another law voiding it. The Supreme Court doesn't really matter.

 

[Steel]

How do jobs that have been outsourced to other countries come back to America? It would seem to me, there will always be cheaper labor overseas. Cutting Corporate taxes will allow them to see more revenue, not decide to move jobs back home. But there has to be some way for these jobs to come back, right?

His idea is to put tarrif's up to penalize companies moving overseas. Of course, the problem with this is that American workers are not competing on price with chinese workers. Chinese workers are competing on price with fully automated facilities.

 

[Generalpsyduck]

Fuck...

I'm 24 and was kind of relying on the whole "covered until 26" thing to get some momentum and whatnot job-wise.

And I just realized that [asperger's/autism falls under pre-existing conditions

Fuck

Its does? Im fucked this entire shitty country is fucked

 

[VistraNorrez]

Lowering the minimum wage...

remove the minimum wage law?

Oh yea....

But would that really work? And I can't imagine Trump's rural supporters actually liking how their paychecks look.

 

[daveo42]

ACA wasn't the best solution, but it was one that got a good deal of people on healthcare. Now...if Trump replaces that with HSAs then good luck getting anyone paying premiums to save any money even if it is tax free. Hell, most of his "savings" for the lower and middle class is in tax code deductions. That doesn't do shit for anyone in the bottom half the country and everyone at the top knows it. Sad that so many people at the bottom still bought into that, just like they think all those jobs made obsolete by technology aren't coming back, unless they are fine with taking hard labor jobs making pennies on the dollar.

 

[Gaylord Sweetwood]

Even if you hope for the best with Trump, he doesn't have the policy knowledge or willpower to see anything through competently. The delegator-in-chief is going to do what Pence, Congress, and Bannon tell him to do.

OK, I can understand the knowledge component, but that's why all President's surround themselves with advisers - hopefully good ones.

As for Willpower, you could not be more wrong. I have never seen anyone campaign as hard as he did with as much energy. It's there, he just needs to follow through on it and that means us making sure he follows through.

 

[BFIB]

the first two years he had Democratic control and that was the only thing he passed.. lol what a failure.

nobody will remember ACA in 30 years.

Well, sad to say, but those first two years lined up the rest, because the Dems couldn't put their own ego's aside. Its a problem on both sides. Washington is going to have a lot to answer for once we get through hopefully, only 4 years of pure shit we have coming.

 

[Malleymal]

Biden and Booker would have won in a landslide.

I am not worried though. I really believe that Trump is not going to be as demonic as people believe. I think he said everything he needed to say to get in the door. I am not a fan at all, but I really dont believe that a wall is going up or non eof that other BS. I am scared about the SCOTUS.

 

[Dr.Acula]

I lay this at the feet of the media. The legitimized Trump and overstated Clinton's scandals.

 

[SpecX]

Can you explain why they are so against ACA? I just don't get it.

No clue, again I get prices have increased, but people have healthcare. It's a basic human right or at least should be. People don't volunteer to get sick, so healthcare shouldn't be something they have to gamble with.

 

[More_Badass]

Its does? Im fucked this entire shitty country is fucked

This is the first .gov link I found. Seems so
http://www.hhs.gov/programs/topic-sites/autism/aca-and-autism/index.html

 

[Jarmel]

Well guess I might be joining my stepmother's work health insurance considering she runs her own practice and gets a discount.

 

[Steel]

And now CNN narrative is that Hillary was too far to the left to win. Expect the autopsy report from democrats to say they need to become more centrist. If your goal was to move the dems further left, you fucked up if you didn't vote.

 

[Maxim726X]

Obama is acting like this is just the business-as-usual transfer of power, rather than a hugely devastating loss for American and its minorities. I mean, I didn't expect him to come out screaming and shouting, but him acting like this is normal is deeply disheartening and troubling.

Would you rather he light his hair on fire and throw his shit at the crowd?

It is what it is.

 

[crackhead_bob]

Repel of Dont Ask, Dont Tell tho!

I got to see that happen during my military service and it's awesome

If don't ask don't tell returns in either name or official policy, the one silver lining is that anyone will now be able to use the gay card if Trump decides to throw us in another bullshit war.

 

[oroboros]

How do jobs that have been outsourced to other countries come back to America? It would seem to me, there will always be cheaper labor overseas. Cutting Corporate taxes will allow them to see more revenue, not decide to move jobs back home. But there has to be some way for these jobs to come back, right?

More Americans have to be willing to do menial low-skill jobs for very, very little money is the only way.

 

[Sub_Level]

How do jobs that have been outsourced to other countries come back to America? It would seem to me, there will always be cheaper labor overseas. Cutting Corporate taxes will allow them to see more revenue, not decide to move jobs back home. But there has to be some way for these jobs to come back, right?

Tax incentives and deregulation.

 

[Ogni-XR21]

As another fellow German please make sure to vote next year and remind others to do the same. Leave no room for assholes like the AfD. Then you hopefully don't have to feel like lots of Americans do now. We also ave hateful people here that feel particularly encouraged by recent events.

Rest assured I will. Been voting in every federal or local election ever since I was allowed to (almost 22 years now).

 

[Llyrwenne]

Predictions for the first year:

1. "Tax cuts for all". Middle class get about $200 in savings a year. People near the poverty line actually have to pay more. The wealthy get substantial savings. (Deficits and recession to follow in year 4 or 5)

2. ACA is gutted. Pre-existing condition denials return. College kids no longer covered after 22. People get dropped when they become sick.

3. Net neutrality is officially killed by something called the Internet Freedom Act. This bill allows internet providers freedom from any sort of neutral packet handling.

4. Supreme court spot #9 is filled by some sort of bizarre nominee with a clear history of insane and/or racist judgement and/or without any judicial experience.

5. EPA is shut down in the Environmental Savings Act. This bill allows corporation to do what they want, saving them from having to worry about the environment.

6. Iran treaty cancelled. Iran begins starts proceeding to nuclear again. Americans start beating the drums of war.

7. Russia starts eyeing some land in Turkey. Trump looks the other way.

8. A wall is NOT built, but police forces and immigration forces continue militarization.

9. Jobs are NOT brought back, automation accelerates, minorities/immigrants are blamed.

10. 2017 is warmest year on record. Climate change is ignored or labeled a conspiracy.

11. Filibuster is eliminated.

12. Religious Freedom Act explicitly exempts sexual orientation and gender identity as protected classes of people. New Supreme Court upholds in 2020.

Aside from maybe Russia eyeing Turkey, this is what I expect to happen, and that's being somewhat optimistic. It will be a disastrous four ( eight? ) years that will have lasting effects for years to come while only widening the divides in America. Uneducated people will increasingly shift the blame for everything to immigrants, minorities and Obama and actual underlying reasons ( poor Trump policies, increasing automation, increased demand for clean energy over fossil fuels, etc. ) will be completely and fully ignored. This is likely to result in another Rep. 2020 win.

Dark times ahead.

I hope you guys pull through. <3

 

[BFIB]

Obama is acting like this is just the business-as-usual transfer of power, rather than a hugely devastating loss for American and its minorities. I mean, I didn't expect him to come out screaming and shouting, but him acting like this is normal is deeply disheartening and troubling.

Obama is going to have a smooth transition, because he's a respectable man who has held this Presidency with the honor it deserves. The same won't be said when Trump leaves. That's the difference here.

 

[PnCIa]

Is there a compilation of all the blatant lies and insults the president elect Donald J Trump spewed during this campaign? How many hours would that fill...

 

[JohnsonUT]

Well, sad to say, but those first two years lined up the rest, because the Dems couldn't put their own ego's aside. Its a problem on both sides. Washington is going to have a lot to answer for once we get through hopefully, only 4 years of pure shit we have coming.

Historically, democrats have been far more divided internally and unable to get things done. Republicans are usually more unified and uniformally ideologically driven. What is interesting though, is the Republican party was just on the verge of a civil war. If they had lost, they would have had no leaders and no definitive platform. This has now been put on hold, but the fault lines are still there. It is very possible that rift could return at any time during the next four years.

 

[KDR_11k]

Welcome to the November 9 club, America. 27th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, 78th anniversary of the Reichskristallnacht, ... Things just happen on that day.

 

[Balphon]

Can you explain why they are so against ACA? I just don't get it.

Because a Democratic President passed it.

It's not like the ACA is terribly far afield from the market-driven health care reform proposals the GOP had been pushing prior to its passage.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

So is Cher moving to Jupiter or...?

 

[MThanded]

Getting a lot of " I don't agree with trump but I don't think he will do what he says so I voted for him" or caveated , "would have been equally as bad if Hillary got elected" .

A lot of normalization at work. I am one of the few POC. My state went blue but you can see a bunch of people hid their allegiances. Clearly that stealth electorate showed up.

 

[Xater]

Rest assured I will. Been voting in every federal or local election ever since I was allowed to (almost 22 years now).

Heh, same as me. Also thumbs up for that!

Is there a compilation of all the blatant lies and insults the president elect Donald J Trump spewed during this campaign? How many hours would that fill...

I remember reading some really long fact checking articles after every debate. Shouldn't be hard to find these at least.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

He tried going the bipartisanship route and it fucked him every single step of the way.

I checked out of national politics in late 2009/2010 because Obama basically refused to play hardball. He pretty much let his opposition beat him up.

I respect his rhetoric and optimism, I'm going to miss him, and I know there's only so much you could have expected out of him when Congress was as looney tunes obstructionist as it was, but sometimes I felt he just wasn't as concerned with actually delivering results as he should have been.

 

[DedValve]

Fuck...

I'm 24 and was kind of relying on the whole "covered until 26" thing to get some momentum and whatnot job-wise.

And I just realized that asperger's/autism falls under pre-existing conditions

Fuck

My entire family has some form of pre-existing condition, some of us over 22, a few about to get there very soon (within Trumps presidency) and all rely on this heavily while all trying to find jobs.

We are so fuuuuuuucked. My family will be devastated if this passes, possibly beyond recovery for us members that drew the short end of the genetic stick.

 

[Gaylord Sweetwood]

I lay this at the feet of the media. The legitimized Trump and overstated Clinton's scandals.

The media is to blame, but not in the way you described. They focused on scandals instead of issues. Trump's alleged misconduct, past grievances, tax returns, etc. etc. had more air time than Wikileaks.

 

[Odrion]

Fuck...

I'm 24 and was kind of relying on the whole "covered until 26" thing to get some momentum and whatnot job-wise.

And I just realized that asperger's/autism falls under pre-existing conditions

Fuck

I have post concussion syndrome and (from the doctor's mouth) possibly CTE.

welp

 

[SomTervo]

Fuck...

I'm 24 and was kind of relying on the whole "covered until 26" thing to get some momentum and whatnot job-wise.

And I just realized that asperger's/autism falls under pre-existing conditions

Fuck

Christ man, I'm so sorry.

 

[GamerJM]

I walked around campus for the first time since the election ended today, went to my only class this morning, and before class started I heard a couple of fuckwits talking about how great the reactions on /pol/ on 4Chan and 8Chan were, and how the "salt from celebrities is delicious". I had to physically restrain myself to prevent myself from yelling in their faces. This is the only thing I've heard from other human beings since the election ended and it makes me sick.

 

[KurtSloane]

I lay this at the feet of the media. The legitimized Trump and overstated Clinton's scandals.

Then you are wrong.

 

[Chaplain]

Getting a lot of " I don't agree with trump but I don't think he will do what he says so I voted for him" or caveated , "would have been equally as bad if Hillary got elected".

That is the hope that many have that could possibly never happen.

"Anger and contempt for your opponents are poor foundations for civilized government. There is little we can now do to change this fate. It would be like paddling with your hands to fight the force of the Gulf Stream. Maybe Mr Trump will turn out to have been kidding us. Maybe he will surround himself with advisers of brilliance and subtlety, who will prove to have mastered the problems of reintroducing protection in a world governed by open borders and increasingly dominated by China. Maybe all that stuff about jailing his opponent was just talk. Maybe, despite all those years of, er, locker-room behaviour Mr Trump will turn out after all to be a Christian gentleman in office upholding the ancient virtues. I do hope so. But forgive me if I decline to be optimistic." (English journalist Peter Jonathan Hitchens)

 

[Jarmel]

It's gonna be nasty politics from here on out with the Obama years as a model for what bipartisanship results in.

Republicans wrote a lot of fanfic about how uncompromising and evil Obama was. When we get our inevitable political flip in reaction to whatever happens in the Trump years (good or bad we tend to hand the keys to someone else after a handful of years) it's going to shock them what an uncompromising party really looks like.

Welcome to the school of hard knocks.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I know Republicans want to kill ACA, but can it easily be repealed after the Courts already made a decision on it? Is the govt seriously just going to say fuck off to the millions of people insured under this plan? Are the American people seriously going to allow it without any uproar?

Yes, it can be repealed, because the SCOTUS simply ruled that the law isn't unconstitutional. Their decision didn't make the ACA untouchable. Laws can be changed.

 

[Mighty Chin]

I'm in a state if utter shock still.

 

[mercenar1e]

i wonder how much worse gerrymandering will be now that the election is over.. nobody realizes just how fucked the Democrats are. in 2018 they're set to lose further control.

 

[Cth]

There is no Dana, only Zuul.

 

[GillianSeed79]

I work at a small company and our health insurance plans are prohibitively expensive. Under the ACA, I only pay half of what I would pay per month if I had private insurance. I just got health insurance back after being laid off about two years ago and finding a new job. I will now 100 percent lose my health insurance and won't be able to afford it now under Trump. Having a child now is also a cost prohibitive because the medical bills will be too expensive. This fucking sucks. God I want to move to New Zealand

 

[Infinite]

i wonder how much worse gerrymandering will be now that the election is over.. nobody realizes just how fucked the Democrats are. in 2018 they're set to lose further control.

jesus. makes me sick to my stomach

 

[Flying Toaster]

We can blame it on a lot of things but where were all the voters?

Clinton barely... BARELY won the popular vote.

 

[Heisenberg]

Can you explain why they are so against ACA? I just don't get it.

A combination of legitimate concerns about rising premiums along with ACA becoming the easy scapegoat for companies and politicians to point to as the reason for decreasing benefits (like my company contributing less to employee healthcare and blaming ACA).

At the end of the day most people vote based on what they perceive to benefit them financially.

 

[Kibbles]

I lay this at the feet of the media. The legitimized Trump and overstated Clinton's scandals.

Fox News is probably the only one Ive seen overstate her scandals. Barely got coverage anywhere else which were filled with Trump scandals.

 

[burn this down]

I hope you're happy Huelen. Wherever you are.