They did. They ran a top of the line modern Obama style campaign against him. The big problem was that, with both candidates having favorables in the negatives, the race hinged on public perception as shaped by the media. And the media was more focused on Clinton's emails than on treating Trump as anything resembling a potential President of the United States.
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My bad, I misread you.
The things that stick out to me about this election.
1) Hillary, afaik, has the lowest votes of any single major candidate in the past few elections. That says disinterest in her, which isn't surprising; her campaign's messaging felt, to me, at least, like... "do it because she deserves this chance." Like... we look at Obama campaigning or, well, anyone else, and it's like "I'm doing this amazing stuff for you," and the Clinton messaging felt very "it's my turn," which is what happened during the Obama election, and why I preferred him to her back then. I read a great analysis of the Democratic party earlier this year that basically said "the party works like a corporation; it didn't want Bernie because he was a 'new' Democrat. Hillary had been there the longest, so the party was basically just giving her a promotion. It doesn't really perceive the American people as having a say in what it does; it's a business." That... kinda seems appropriate. The Republicans made the SAME assumption with Jeb. The difference is that the Republicans somehow realized Trump would win and the dynasty wouldn't. The Democrats didn't, and that's why I believe they lost.
2) People keep saying this is about racism, but like I said in my previous post, if it were, we'd see a swell of support for Trump. What we actually see is less support for both candidates. I could be wrong, but I believe this is actually a record for people not voting. You'd think if racists were mad at Obama, they'd be out in droves. But they weren't.
3) Exit polls show that the poorest demographics voted blue, and the richest demographics voted red, but if we look at who won which counties, the richest counties in the nation all seem blue, and the poorest counties all seem red. Based on anecdotal evidence, most of the poorer people I know were very against Clinton, but I also live in traditionally red areas. I recently moved to a richer county, and, yup, it tends to vote blue.
Ultimately, I think this is about the issue of America's overall economic decline and the unrest from it. People say "but wait, the economy is growing," but... like... if you look at where that growth is, it's in essentially three areas (NY, LA, SF), which are all historically blue and remain blue. See here and here.
This is why I expressed frustration back when Bernie backed out of the race; you have one person who basically is rich and seems entitled to the position, and then you have another person who is the same thing, except they're saying "I'll make it better for you." It doesn't... really seem surprising to me that this election turned out the way it did.
It's also why I think a bunch of people going "you're a hateful racist" isn't going to fix things. You've got all these people upset about jobs and stuff, and these people who live on the coasts being out of touch and going "you suck." I think this election could be characterized as a rebellion of sorts, and people NEED to learn from this. They need to realize that going around dissing people who feel awful already is only going to create enemies.
Trying to understand what is happening to prevent it from happening again is what we need, not this moronic moral highgrounding.
Everyone was caught off guard. Every poll had him losing. He didn't even win the popular vote.
Gotdatmoney
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I respect you thought about this some. But you really believe Democrats would have done nothing to adjust Obamacare?
Actually given Republican obstruction maybe you're right.
I hope when the Republicans go ham on social security and issues, you at least weigh that seriously against what you voted for though.
EatinOlives
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Sorry, I just don't agree. Campaigns operate on the data that they receive. If the data's bogus, they're completely blind and left stabbing in the dark. Even worse if you're blinded and don't even realize it.
I don't see how it's anything but the pollsters' fault.
yes we did
Zen_Arcade
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It's not just Twitter shit, it spilled over into the real world. And even if it were limited to the internet, it's idiotic to propose that just because something is said on the internet that it doesn't carry weight. Especially if it's something you're bludgeoned with over and over by a bunch of different people.
If you were undecided and are constantly bombarded with people essentially calling you a scumbag because you aren't wholly on their side you're probably eventually going to side up with the group of people who aren't going out of their way to call you a dickhead. Even if you think the people you're grouping with are assholes too.
Shit, I'm liberal, voted for Hillary and still got insulted because I don't agree with 100% of what Democrats have had to say in the past few years. And I know for a fact that I'm not even close to being the one who has gotten the brunt of that attitude around here. It's become a "You're either fully with us or you're fully against us." to A LOT of people. It's not remotely surprising that people who leaned more to the center were put off by that mentality and sided with the other guy.
This doesn't even get into how fucking hard Hillary supporters turned on Sanders supporters. They openly insulted people in their own fucking corner because they dared to say that the person picked might not be the right person for the job.
I'm not saying these attitudes are 100% the reason this election turned out the way it did. There were way more factors. But you seriously have your head in the sand if you think the attitudes of Democrats didn't push at least a noticeable amount of people away. They picked an unimpressive candidate and then many of them openly insulted people who didn't like her.
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I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but... things will not go well for that industry.
DontBeThatGuy
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In all the despair, I never payed much attention to the fact that Maine has legalized weed. That's at least something.
dglavimans
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Jeah just thought about this today. I never believe he will be our leader here but maybe anything is possible right now...
But how can pre election polls be so off... like not a bit but by a large margin? Is that maybe the propagandad way the media is today, I ask myself and we just see a situation where we fell flat on the face?
RPGCrazied
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"Hundreds of high school students stage walk out to protest Donald Trumps presidential election win"
Good to see
Hope we see more and more civil protests.
"Hundreds of high school students stage walk out to protest Donald Trumps presidential election win"
Good to see
This is who will be most affected, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this at my uni. If gridlock doesn't hit the Senate and House under his control, the country will probably gridlock itself.
National polls were closer this year than in 2012.
Audioboxer
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Fair enough, but it's a hard pill to swallow. Hindsight does nothing to help a lost campaign.
They were baited into lots of his trolling, and also tried to use his outrageous statements as evidence he wouldn't win. That did not work. It was evidence he was an asshole, not evidence he wasn't winning votes.
Green Yoshi
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"Hundreds of high school students stage walk out to protest Donald Trump’s presidential election win"
Good to see
A little late. Students that protested against the Vietnam war and for other important matters didn't need "safe zones".
Who were the students protests as people got shot by policemen just because of the skin of their color? Too busy fighting for transgender bathrooms?
RPGCrazied
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BFIB
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Its all empty promises. There is no way he can force those jobs back here, they are gone. He said what he had to say to get the job, that's it.
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He's not in office yet and nothing is implemented.
Darryl M R
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We are going to automate the hell out of retail management right?
Maybe they were being high school students?
Waldo Lydecker
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I think the only way to get rid of the right populists is to let them try to govern themselves instead of ignoring them or use a condon sanitaire. Otherwise the people who vote on them and irrationaly hate the left will never see them fail and will still believe they can do magic.
By the way, is Cory Booker not an ideal frontrunner who should head the Democratic Party?
By the way, is Cory Booker not an ideal frontrunner who should head the Democratic Party?
Nah. The polls were exactly on point in all but one case in the primaries. The one case where the polls were wrong was telling, though. It was Mitchigan. It's not like Trump won the popular vote in either case, he just got people in the right areas of the rust belt.
He lacks experience. But he's charismatic. But voters don't seem to care about experience, so fuck it.
This is literally penny wise pound foolish, I wouldnt be surprised if this line of thinking was quite prevalent among the voters.
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That industry lives off the economy. It's the first to cut off the fat. It has nothing to do with automation.
Inferno313
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Should I go to a protest tonight? Got a Facebook invite to one that has been slowly building steam all day.
dglavimans
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This is interessting to hear because we keep hearing stuff like the polls where way of etc... will do myself some reading up and following this the coming days because it will affect us for some years
sorry for my misinformationYou have to remember that the loud, unfiltered Trump supporters are quickly modded out of the NeoGAF community.
Honest question, my wife was thinking about becoming a U.S. citizen next year as she's a Mexican citizen/legal perm resident. Is she at risk and is it worth converting still or should she keep her Mexican citizenship as a backup plan to escape this mess when it turns for the worse?
The Middle Class has 401k's.
Nationally they were likely more accurate than 2012. On a state level they were less accurate in places because of wild swings in the voting demographics and partisan voting tendencies in certain states.
Not to contest your larger points, but she received more votes than her opponent and could potentially still exceed Romney's 2012 total.
Yes.
This is interessting to hear because we keep hearing stuff like the polls where way of etc... will do myself some reading up and following this the coming days because it will affect us for some years
Nah, it's fine.
C'mon not even staffers from the Trump campaign saw something like this happening. All the data pointed to this not happening. This wasn't an echo-chamber problem.
RPGCrazied
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I hope it stays that way. I hope just cause Chump got elected isn't going to give them free reign here.
Audioboxer
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You should always do what you feel is right to protest and not care too much about what others think, as long as you're doing nothing illegal.
However for what its worth protesting hours after he has won doesn't do much to aid the fact serious protest should have happened long before now. And I know it did, but even protesters obviously bought into the media and polling that Trump would lose, so didn't take his threat seriously. A lot of the protests that basically revolved around stopping traffic or pissing people off, have done jack shit.
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I feel like we need clarification here between what is middle class and what is working class.
People shouldn't protest. An election was held Trump won fair and square. If you wanted to protest you should have protested earlier.
People shouldn't protest. An election was held Trump won fair and square. If you wanted to protest you should have protested earlier.
ClosingADoor
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It's high school, not college. You expect 14-year olds to get to the streets protesting police violence when they should be in school?
DontBeThatGuy
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I would, fuck it, just to let off some steam with like-minded people.
Dude, she won the popular vote. How can you not know this?
NeoGAF is extremely liberal and relatively small, in any situation like that you run the risk of creating an echo chamber. If you only get your news from FOX News Obama looks pretty bad, the reverse is true here. It's important to pull from multiple sources, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
I'm not minimalizing Trump, he's pretty bad, but there was some issues like low enthusiasm for Clinton that either nobody saw or people willfully ignored. I'm guilty of it, but now it's critical that we do more than just say "racism won" and pinpoint exactly why there was low turnout.
Saying the racists won, while true, also ignores the real issues Clinton had as a candidate. The real issues the DNC had by propping her up and pushing so hard for her. If we just blame it all on the racists we're going to end up right back here next election.
BFIB
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Does she love this country? If she does, then yes, she should stay and fight for what she believes in. Its going to be a tough 4 year battle, but now is not the time to cut your losses.
Comfort Jones
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1311210
What are we hoping he "succeeds" at? You realize his plans run counter to anything his opposition could want, like this shit isn't just basic "oh I don't know if I agree with his views on economics" stuff.
Trying to act like the bigger and better man now is fucking ridiculous. Half the country didn't vote. Fuck us all.
EatinOlives
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We got Karl Rove'd. We fell into believing low-rent punditry disguised as impartial political analysis, and reality came crashing down yesterday when it became clear that the sources we listened to actually were far from accurate or honest about their predictions.
Hopefully enough of these hacks lose their jobs and start overhauling from the ground up the polling effort and sampling methods.
dglavimans
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Jeah that is a feeling I got for the second time now. Brexit was another shock because when you only have so much sources like me for example it is just really weird when you go to bed with... Well he sure won't be president or well Brexit is never happening and then waking up..
@the above jeah and that was why I gave the dutch media as example we never hear about a possible brexit or an Trump candidate possibility because the media doesnt want us too...
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