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[.JayZii]

Do you honestly think people are talking about 100% of people in an area unless they explicitly go out of their way to say they're not talking about you specifically? If I tell you a restaurant is really good would you be horrified to find out that one of the many sandwiches on their menu wasn't very good?

No? I don't even know what this exchange between us even is.

I just said almost half of the votes were blue in a lot of those states, so calling it Dumbfuckistan might be a bit harsh. I then said that people who live in those states who voted blue but the state overall went red still probably understand the sentiment of people who call it Dumbfuckistan.

Just trying to exercise some empathy. My state voted blue.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I feel like this vote was as much a "f*ck you" vote as anything. For the past 12+ months any supporter of the Republican ticket (most notably Trump supporters) were hammered by the messaging that if you didn't vote for Hilary we were racist, un-educated white who worked a blue collar job whose vote and opinion didn't really matter because somehow you were not an equal. That was the narrative the Hilary campaign and almost as important was the message the media all hammered home. Somehow middle America because they didn't have a diploma or worked a non-white collar job were less than equals for their concerns or needs. That just fueled the fire of an already angered middle America that already felt forgotten and I think ultimately led to so many casting what I call the "f*ck you" vote.

Oh, it was definitely a "fuck you" vote.

 

[Steel]

I feel old looking at r/the donald because I have no idea what cuck means, and I just saw it 8000 times in 4 minutes of reading....

And people complain about Hillary supporters.

 

[Darryl M R]

???
He's stated multiple times that he believes these conflicts should be state issues, and he does support abortion for rape/complications.

Trump has actually been PRO-LGBTQ longer than Clinton (who literally flipped on the issue less than six years ago lol). Do you guys just Google the first result for "Trump LGBTQ" or something?

It's really sad how absolutely brainwashed this site is, didn't help that anyone who openly supported Trump got perma-banned. But I guess at this point who really gets the last laugh right?

You are actually just stupid. Not because you might support Trump. But because you are so dense. Look at everyone he is surrounding himself with.

 

[Boogie9IGN]

Decided to watch V for Vendetta again today while I do some chores and now I'm depressed all over again. Some parts of V's televised speech hit too close to home

 

[Already Torn]

You are actually just stupid. Not because you might support Trump. But because you are so dense.

He only thinks those things because you called him out on his stupidity tho. Check yourself.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I feel old looking at r/the donald because I have no idea what cuck means, and I just saw it 8000 times in 4 minutes of reading....

it's just another word for economic anxiety, as always, don't you ever forget about that.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

I feel like this vote was as much a "f*ck you" vote as anything. For the past 12+ months any supporter of the Republican ticket (most notably Trump supporters) were hammered by the messaging that if you didn't vote for Hilary we were racist, un-educated white who worked a blue collar job whose vote and opinion didn't really matter because somehow you were not an equal.

Because they are. If you support a racist, you're a racist. And Trump is very clearly a racist.

Here is the thing about elections: they actually matter. By voting for Trump, YOU ARE ACTUALLY DECIDING WHO THE NEXT LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY WILL BE. If you vote for Trump, you want him to be the next leader. And when he gets elected, you are DIRECTLY responsible.

Edit: Obviously by "you" I am addressing someone who voted for Trump, not you, Dlacy13g, specifically.

 

[Lautaro]

 

[RPGCrazied]

Decided to watch V for Vendetta again today while I do some chores and now I'm depressed all over again. Some parts of V's televised speech hit too close to home

Yeah. It just comes all rushing back who we just elected.

 

[Izuna]

Yeah. It just comes all rushing back who we just elected.

Man I can't imagine what you might be going through right now. Sucks that people shut your concerns down.

 

[Chariot]

Hey if you support someone like trump who has racist tendencies, don't get mad when you get lumped in.

Lie with dogs you get fleas.

Well, now the whole country got a giant flea.

A bit less lumping in and maybe more people would've stayed out of Trump or accepted Hillary. You don't need to accept racism, there was more than that that drove Trump support.

Some Bernie supporters in the primary threads blamed black people for not turning out in huge numbers for him, saying we were low information voters. Obviously this was not the whole of his support but where was the "hearts and minds" talk then? A lot of people agreed with those posters, didn't see many Sanders supporters calling them out.

At any rate by you bring Sanders back up you're kind of giving validity to the idea that spurned Sanders supporters flipped Trump despite being asked to support Hillary, which at the time people said was just paranoia.

The people who said would follow Clinton most likely did. But there was an undeniable branch that was anti-establishment first and couldn't get themselves to go for pure establishment Clinton. Partly because she wasn't addressing their main concern at all. What I am saying is, that she could've thrown them a bone without going back an inch on race issues, because that issue had little to do with that.

And did I win hearts and minds? I don't know, I tried.

Exactly. Its this with us or against us attitude that had a part in causing this mess. People went against us because they were being antagonized. No one is saying we need to extend an olive branch to the racists. Fuck racists. But Trumps base is very clearly more than a bunch of racists.

Yeppa.

 

[Catdaddy]

So what cabinet position is Scott Baio getting?

In charge of Bob Loblaw's law blog

 

[Snaku]

If I knew this shit was gonna happen I'd have voted for Romney in 2012. I'd rather have him running the country the last four years and running for reelection this year than to face what's about to happen.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Yes, Hillary should lie to them, and completely misrepresent what is possible, or what she feels is actually right, and to also stop talking about social issues, and to acknowledge that Mexicans are stealing our jobs.

These people need a reality check, and I have no doubt they will get it. It also would've be nice if 'bams and the democrats would've got all that support during the midterms that they got during the general as well, and perhaps far more could've been done. But nah, it's always "you failed US".

I mean, you realize that she almost won by not doing anything in your first paragraph right? All Democrats had to do was campaign correctly, not ignore people in decaying rural areas and stop being judgmental blowhards towards anyone who disagrees with them.

She didn't lose because she wasn't pandering to Trumps base, she lost because she didn't pander to rural America and moderates. People who realistically would have considered voting for her. People who have voted Democrat for Obama. People that could have swung the election her way.

 

[Monocle]

I think the main message is that we shouldn't shut down conversation by just mass labelling people. People get defensive which will shore up their resolve in their point of view if we come at them like this. If we only took the time to understand why they felt that way, why they had to vote trump in even if it goes against their best interests i think hilary might have done better.

It's almost as though people who whine about political correctness don't like you to speak plainly and "tell it like it is" when they themselves are the subject.

 

[RPGCrazied]

If I knew this shit was gonna happen I'd have voted for Romney in 2012. I'd rather have him running the country the last four years and running for reelection this year than to face what's about to happen.

I'd rather have Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, Rubio, Kasich then Chump.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I mean, you realize that she almost won by not doing anything in your first paragraph. All Democrats had to do was campaign correctly, not ignore people in decaying rural areas and stop being judgmental blowhards towards anyone who disagrees with them.

She didn't lose because she wasn't pandering to Trumps base, she lost because she didn't pander to rural America and moderates. People who realistically would have considered voting for her.

In what way would you like for her pander, exactly? It's not like she never mentioned creating good jobs, or opposing TPP, or anything like that. How exactly does she compete with these people against someone offering them everything he could possibly think of, and doing it while being a "strongman", shitting on immigrants? (which tends to play quite well in those parts by the way)

 

[george_us]

I'm trying to figure out how you get people to agree with you when they hate the fact that you even exist.

Bro you just have to think of their suffering! Who cares if many of them would love to see you and your loved ones hanging from a tree? THINK OF THEIR FEELINGS!

 

[Hypereides]

I can imagine there's a potential possibility now that crime rates will begin to rise, in the US. Especially, hate-crimes.

 

[SunnyVi]

I know many people have speculated that Trump may have exaggerated his outrageous claims in order to become president. Watching his speech I'm starting to share that sentiment. I mean a republican president talking about protecting the LGBT community during his first speech is something else. But only time will tell.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

I mean, you realize that she almost won by not doing anything in your first paragraph right? All Democrats had to do was campaign correctly, not ignore people in decaying rural areas and stop being judgmental blowhards towards anyone who disagrees with them.

She didn't lose because she wasn't pandering to Trumps base, she lost because she didn't pander to rural America and moderates. People who realistically would have considered voting for her. People who have voted Democrat for Obama. People that could have swung the election her way.

In what way did Hillary's campaign ignore people in "decaying rural areas"? By not focusing their energy where all the data said they should be focusing their energy?

Hindsight is 20/20, and given the information they had at the time, I don't see how this could have been avoided. There's a reason we all thought she would win.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

In what way would you like for her pander, exactly? It's not like she never mentioned creating good jobs, or opposing TPP, or anything like that. How exactly does she compete with these people against someone offering them everything he could possibly think of, and doing it while being a male, shitting on immigrants, which plays quite well in those parts?

She mentioned jobs that probably wouldn't really try to attempt to help any of those people in rural areas. They were looking for something to spur their ailing business and as far as I remember, Clinton mainly ran on the idea that small businesses would help revitalize the economy. Which wouldn't really help those people.

As for how? I don't know, I'm not a political analyst or campaign manager. If I had to make a guess, I would say she should have spent more time campaigning there, because from what I've heard, she did a piss poor job of it in some key states she lost. But Obama won a bunch of the states Hillary didn't win in 2012. So to sit here and pretend like this was some insurmountable obstacle is just ignorant of history.

In what way did Hillary's campaign ignore people in "decaying rural areas"? By not focusing their energy where all the data said they should be focusing their energy?

Hindsight is 20/20, and given the information they had at the time, I don't see how this could have been avoided. There's a reason we all thought she would win.

Well for one, she supposedly didn't campaign very much in a lot of those key states. So that's a problem. I'd say less of this can be attributed to hindsight than you think it can. I think a decent amount is politcal misstep, but like I said, I'm no political analyst.

 

[Asgaro]

Mistakes were made

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Whos going to be secretary of state?

 

[Pamplemousse]

Whos going to be secretary of state?

Word on the street is Gingrich

 

[Darryl M R]

I'm gonna tell you one thing: every man on Earth will, between the day he was born and the day he will die, have made at least one negative sexually tinted remark about a woman.

Automatically neglecting a candidate because of this...

This should be bannable to even suggest that every man had made a remark where they admit to sexually assaulting women. Because that is what he did. He did not brag about how some woman was hot and how he would like to sleep with her. He bragged about sexually assaulting her.

Taking away politics with this (which is hard).

This is never okay. Women don't even report these assaults or rape because people normalize these actions.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Whos going to be secretary of state?

I'd rather not know. Do you? Rudy? I'm legit shook now.

 

[Onimusha78]

I'm gonna tell you one thing: every man on Earth will, between the day he was born and the day he will die, have made at least one negative sexually tinted remark about a woman.

Automatically neglecting a candidate because of this...

Nope. 23 years on this planet and I've never said anything like this guy did and never will

 

[Already Torn]

Bro you just have to think of their suffering! Who cares if many of them would love to see you and your loved ones hanging from a tree? THINK OF THEIR FEELINGS!

Hey don't lump me in with those people. I don't want to see them hanging from a tree, I just dont want to see them at all or have to consider their viewpoints. We're all in this together.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I think the main message is that we shouldn't shut down conversation by just mass labelling people. People get defensive which will shore up their resolve in their point of view if we come at them like this. If we only took the time to understand why they felt that way, why they had to vote trump in even if it goes against their best interests i think hilary might have done better.

It's almost as though people who whine about political correctness don't like you to speak plainly and "tell it like it is" when they themselves are the subject.

Jasoneyu, I wrote a very very long reply, but it basically boiled down to Monocle's right here. Brevity and all that.

I'm not going to not call someone out on their bullshit because it might hurt their feelings. Me calling someone sexist or racist, as it turns out, is not as bad as the thing they are actually doing to warrant it. And if getting into the conversation where I tell someone that what they're doing is sexist/racist/whatever makes them double down on their shitty view then my initial statement is correct, they are children.

I wrote a lot more about the thing's Hillary could and could not have done, people who voted Trump, etc, but that's the long and short of it. If you believe that being told what you did is wrong is as bad as the action itself, then that's on you. I'm not going to pander to that, nor should I be expected to. I'm not going to coddle assholes.

 

[Fulminator]

well im not as nauseated as i was when it was first announced

but i still am in a state of disbelief over this

 

[UnemployedVillain]

I'm gonna tell you one thing: every man on Earth will, between the day he was born and the day he will die, have made at least one negative sexually tinted remark about a woman.

Automatically neglecting a candidate because of this...

Sexually tinted, huh? That's putting his statements lightly...And no, I can't say I've ever said anything remotely comparable

 

[mstevens]

After all of the many, many smug cries of "I can't wait for the Trump supporter tears"....

This has been a cathartic thread.



Nothing is gained from the salt or tears bullshit. Grow up and either a) enjoy success or b) learn and grow

Wait... Are you enjoying the saltiness of people, while telling them to grow up for wanting to enjoy the saltiness of people?

 

[Xun]

I can imagine there's a potential possibility now that crime rates will begin to rise, in the US. Especially, hate-crimes.

It's inevitable.

The same happened here thanks to Brexit.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

I'm gonna tell you one thing: every man on Earth will, between the day he was born and the day he will die, have made at least one negative sexually tinted remark about a woman.

Automatically neglecting a candidate because of this...

are you serious right now?

us men are fucked up behind closed doors but seriously I've never bragged about sexual assault. Me or the rest of my deplorable friends

 

[RDreamer]

I'm gonna tell you one thing: every man on Earth will, between the day he was born and the day he will die, have made at least one negative sexually tinted remark about a woman.

Automatically neglecting a candidate because of this...

Wow, calling admitting to sexual assault a "negative sexually tinted remark about a woman." That's some 1984 shit, bro. Newsflash: It wasn't that it was vulgar or that he said something sexually negative. It was that he said he sexually assaulted women.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I feel like this vote was as much a "f*ck you" vote as anything. For the past 12+ months any supporter of the Republican ticket (most notably Trump supporters) were hammered by the messaging that if you didn't vote for Hilary we were racist, un-educated white who worked a blue collar job whose vote and opinion didn't really matter because somehow you were not an equal.

You know. Republicans talk the victim a lot but am I to believe that the entire left base pulled this anger from their ass? Or did Donald Trump and his supporters not literally time and time again do the same thing all yall are bitching democrats did?

Instead of minorities fighting hate with love, can republicans replace racism with compassion? Because it seems to me that the onus is always on the suffering to not only discard their own emotions but literally pander to bullshit.

Are Republicans, Trump supports, Trump just above all of that because they won? People argue both sides. But people arguing both sides really just mean "Republicans are jerks but Democrats should know better". I forgot emotions were not allowed when you need humanity.

 

[Steel]

I feel like this vote was as much a "f*ck you" vote as anything. For the past 12+ months any supporter of the Republican ticket (most notably Trump supporters) were hammered by the messaging that if you didn't vote for Hilary we were racist, un-educated white who worked a blue collar job whose vote and opinion didn't really matter because somehow you were not an equal. That was the narrative the Hilary campaign and almost as important was the message the media all hammered home. Somehow middle America because they didn't have a diploma or worked a non-white collar job were less than equals for their concerns or needs. That just fueled the fire of an already angered middle America that already felt forgotten and I think ultimately led to so many casting what I call the "f*ck you" vote.

Don't go too far into revisionist history. Unless you somehow think that hardcore Trump supporters are saints.

 

[Asgaro]

This should be bannable to even suggest that every man had made a remark where they admit to sexually assaulting women. Because that is what he did. He did not brag about how some woman was hot and how he would like to sleep with her. He bragged about sexually assaulting her.

Taking away politics with this (which is hard).

This is never okay. Women don't even report these assaults or rape because people normalize these actions.

Ok that's horrible. Didn't know this context.
So this wasnt't the 'locker room talk' story where he boasted about his way with women?

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Ok that's horrible. Didn't know this context.
So this wasnt't the 'locker room talk' story where he boasted about his way with women?

"And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything/ Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.". That's the main quote. Whether or not that's assault probably depends on your definition of "let". Unless there's other quotes that are explicit.

 

[Raiden]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that more than half of the American people voted for Trump. I mean wow...

 

[Darryl M R]

Ok that's horrible. Didn't know this context.
So this wasnt't the 'locker room talk' story where he boasted about his way with women?

How could you quote someone that mentioned him admitting to "grabbing them by the pussy" and respond without knowing the context?

 

[Tagyhag]

Man, I remember just 24 hours ago I felt certain that Hillary was going to win, wasn't sure about the rest of the government but at its worst it would be 4 years of gridlock again.

I miss that time. I had much less anxiety problems back then.

 

[RDreamer]

"And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything/ Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.". That's the main quote. Whether or not that's assault probably depends on your definition of "let". Unless there's other quotes that are explicit.

The full quote: "You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. You just kiss. I don’t even wait. When you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything."

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that more than half of the American people voted for Trump. I mean wow...

They didn't.

Not even half of the votes cast (about 50% of eligible voters) were for him.

 

[valkillmore]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that more than half of the American people voted for Trump. I mean wow...

That's not true. Clinton will win the popular vote. Trump secured enough electorial votes, which isn't the same as winning the popular vote.

Also, Trump didn't win the vote of half of the American people. Just over half of the American people participated in the election, of which just under half voted for him.

 

[riotous]

"And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything/ Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.". That's the main quote. Whether or not that's assault probably depends on your definition of "let". Unless there's other quotes that are explicit.

Combined with what he said about kissing, in that context he's clearly saying he just does it and by "let" he means they don't stop him. Maybe 30 years ago that's "consent" in the patriarchy but lucikily these days we consider consent to be... consent.. not "I was afraid to tell a powerful man to stop."

And for all we know he has been told to stop.

Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

 

[JDHarbs]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that more than half of the American people voted for Trump. I mean wow...

He actually lost the popular vote.

 

[GitarooMan]

Man Van Jones is having none of this shit anymore. He is going off on AC360