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[Hitman]

I'm just as disappointed with the outcome as anybody. But usually protests have a particular outcome in mind. I'm not sure what the end game is by protesting the election results. Unless they're just protesting his positions and bigotry, which may be the case.

I don't think this protest has a clear direction either. And without a clear direction, a clear narrative, and leadership it could fizzle out prematurely like Occupy. BUT what it does show is anger, passion, and contempt for the system. Right now it's too narrowly cast as Liberals vs Trump and rightly so. BUT that doesn't mean that this anger, passion, and contempt CAN'T be harnessed and directed in a way that sparks a genuine social movement that can bring change.

That's what I'm excited about, the possibilities of this. Countless revolutions and movements in history have shown and intellects like Chomsky agree that these types of movements are needed to make changes that the political system WON'T make. They won't change the status quo unless forced to.

This, I hope is the spark. We NEED a spark. Trump being elected SUCKS. But if the outrage it creates enables the spark to create a true social movement to bring about real change then I for one will be glad we didn't get Hilary.

 

[Zubz]

... Crap, I didn't know we were having protests in Pittsburgh.

 

[Skatterd]

Wait till Trump destroys obamacare because it is watered down piece of crap that I am sure even Obama isn't proud of at this point Yet, people will protest that action because they do not know any better.

Yep can't wait to have my wife's pre-existing conditions denied by the insurance companies.

 

[MUnited83]

If the Democratic elect had threatened to do JUST ONE of the following, I would condone demonstrations either way:


1. Kill the families of terrorists
2. Make sure the US Military will carry out war crimes
3. Jail their political opponent after a win
4. Implement Stop and Frisk nation wide
5. Ban an entire religion from entering the US
6. Create a registry of all members of one religion in the US
7. Repress freedom of speech, so the media could not talk too negatively about the elect
8. etc.

All of these things are unconstitutional and go against the very fabric of this nation. These are unacceptable positions, regardless of political affiliation.

Whoever threatens just one of these needs to be protested and chased out of the country.

A reminder that yes, if you voted for a dude that vowed to do all of the above, you're factually a piece of shit human being.

 

[gamechanger87]

I hope so but it will require the Dems to actually start reaching out to different voters. I wish our country was diverse enough to give minorities more representation but at a certain point they do need to appeal to uneducated whites. Alternatively they need a candidate that is not a wet noodle when it comes to mid western popularity. They needed an outsider candidate to go against the outsider candidate.

The Democrats have been alienating that vote for years. They tried to win on women and minorities but forgot that you need them to come out and vote in enough numbers. Sadly, I don't think they have anyone to carry both sets of voters in 2020. They have no one in the wings because they never build a back bench. The republicans dominate the state houses and legislatures.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Dudes taken this thing past the 4th wall

Logically new York city probably stocks up on a lot of trucks full of salt this time of year before winter.

 

[MogCakes]

Good and people exercised their right NOT to vote. Deal with it.

They have that right and we have ours. Go try and stop them in the streets if you dare.

This logic makes my head hurt

It makes perfect sense if you aren't a bigot.

 

[innervision961]

Dear Wikileaks,
Now what?

Fuck you sincerely,
Rational Humans

 

[Dmented]

Obamacare is horribly flawed program....but it did help a lot of people who were unable to receive care beforehand.

So, I will fully understand those protests and I hope you can empathize with them as well.

Of course they can't. I have family who's medical needs rely on ACA, but fuck them because they're poor right?

 

[Shizza]

There was a "Fuck Trump" march in downtown LA this evening as I was leaving work.

 

[bomb]

Yep can't wait to have my wife's pre-existing conditions denied by the insurance companies.

Obamacare raised premiums on everyone. Insurance companies are too powerful and Obama poking the sleeping giants didn't help.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

A reminder that yes, if you voted for a dude that vowed to do all of the above, you're factually a piece of shit human being.

why are you being so mean they were economically scared and worried and didnt like corruption

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082

Your President has spoken. REVOLT.

 

[KingSnake]

Yes and they get votes equal to their population. All the EC does is ensure each state gets to vote for the candidate they want based on their population. If you feel like some of the state don't have the votes equal to their population then that is a completely different discussion. But the EC ensures the vote for each state is separate and represents their unique circumstances. Just because you have better weather shouldn't mean you run the show.

You're ignoring the fact that the number of electors is calculated based on the total population, not on the population that actually votes. And thus it actually punishes the states that have a bigger turnout and gives premium to the states with a lower turnout.

Edit: and yeah, checking now, the number of EV is not proportional to population, some states are discriminated.

 

[Instro]

Yeah saw a small group in Rancho Cucamonga on the way home. Cool stuff.

 

[Mr.Sumal]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082

Your President has spoken. REVOLT.

RIGGED

 

[Mesousa]

Of course they can't. I have family who's medical needs rely on ACA, but fuck them because they're poor right?

If they are poor they won't be able to afford those price hikes.

 

[onadesertedisland]

I wonder how much control the president has over the NSA and all that data collected from citizens? Imagine a paranoid leader tapping into the trove of information that the NSA collects. All of his "enemies" and all of their secrets.

 

[Hitman]

The revenge tactics and emotional passion disregarding logic in this thread is beyond me.

When law enforcement attempts to restore normalcy, demonstrating people will escalate this by possibly fighting back leading to more violence.

Is this what people want after an election? Anarchy? Violence?

Literally people walking through running highways disrupting traffic, and now some of us are saying protesters should go into areas of the opposite political camp to instigate violence.

I hoped that Obama's words this morning might calm people and bring us together.

DO NOT JUDGE AND DISMISS THIS PROTEST BECAUSE OF SLIPPERY SLOPE BULLSHIT ARGUMENT OF ANARCHY ON THE STREETS THAT YOU HAVE MADE UP. Judge the protest on what it is, not what you fear it could turn into.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Dear Wikileaks,
Now what?

Fuck you sincerely,
Rational Humans

Mission accomplished.

 

[Wereroku]

Votes in the Electoral college are determined by adding the state's number of Representatives (determined proportionally by population but with a minimum of one) to its number of Senators (always two per state). This means that low-population states have a significant advantage in number of electors relative to population over large-population states.

Now, I don't mind the US Senate being structured the way it is. It has worked out for this country pretty well so far on the whole. However, the way the electoral college is currently structured seems redundant with the Senate already protecting the interests of the smaller states. After all, the Senate is pretty important.

The original idea behind the electoral college is that the voters would pick people whom they trusted. In turn, the electors would decide the President based on their own judgement. That system is dead. Right now, we have a chimera of a system that isn't serving the purpise designed by the authors of the constitution, but neither is it a complete switch to direct democracy. It is halfway between those things. The system was changed in the past to make it more directly democratic, but the will has never been there to change it completely.

But the original plan did involve making sure the smaller states were represented and had their own say in the governance of the country. Making it completely popular vote would basically make everyone but a few states have no say in national elections.

 

[Eylos]

The revenge tactics and emotional passion disregarding logic in this thread is beyond me.

When law enforcement attempts to restore normalcy, demonstrating people will escalate this by possibly fighting back leading to more violence.

Is this what people want after an election? Anarchy? Violence?

Literally people walking through running highways disrupting traffic, and now some of us are saying protesters should go into areas of the opposite political camp to instigate violence.

I hoped that Obama's words this morning might calm people and bring us together.

Anarchy is not what you think it means. But you can rebel against any unfair leader, America rebeled against brits for independence, and so many others times in history and other nations.

 

[spiderman123]

They have the right to protest but I do see this getting out of control if not already

 

[ericexpo]

Seems like a real waste of time and effort when half the country doesn't care to vote.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

If they are poor they won't be able to afford those price hikes.

Subsidies match the price if they are poor, they would still be covered. Or they are covered under the MedicAid expansion. Both are gone when it gets repealed.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Obamacare is horribly flawed program....but it did help a lot of people who were unable to receive care beforehand.

So, I will fully understand those protests and I hope you can empathize with them as well.



It's not rigged.

Elections like last night show the obvious flaw in the Electoral College system for sure....but it's not rigged.

I feel it needs some reform though.

In addition to the flaws of Obamacare changes were attempted to make it better but Republicans filibustered their way out of it and sot it down in hopes that a moment like this would happen and they could just repeal it instead. Like heaven forbid they take the L and it actually would have become a better program, but that wouldn't get them elected. Instead they knew if they kept t the way it was introduced eventually premiums would have to rise and people then would be pissed.

People are getting played if they think that is a party looking out for their interests.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

I guess you people aren't used to protests? Some here are acting like this is the end of american civilization.

 

[Palpable]

Just goes to show that people are tired of corrupt politicians that represent the establishment Clinton represented. Also, that email linking her to the Saudi's that fund both Clinton and ISIS probably didn't help her.

 

[jakomocha]

From what's been explained to me, that essentially means jack shit in this case. Apparently the margin she won the pop vote by was nowhere near enough to make up for the delegate discrepancy.

I'm not saying Trump, based on our current system and rules, did not win the presidency. He won the electoral college fair and square.

However, the electoral college is heavily flawed, failing us twice in the last 16 years, and will now hand over the presidency to a man who is completely unqualified and poses a threat to the people of our nation unmatched by any of our previous recent presidents. That is the purpose of these protests. Also, iirc, Hillary's popular vote lead will only continue to grow as more votes from the West are tallied.

In my opinion, the president of this country should never be someone who lost the popular vote.

 

[Vestal]

I guess you people aren't used to protests? Some here are acting like this is the end of american civilization.

I am hoping its the start of something.. I am already making plans to go up to DC for inauguration and protest. I am done sitting in the shadows and just letting my vote be my voice.

 

[Speely]

Wish I could make it downtown here in Seattle for this, but I can't tonight. There will be more, though. It was some consolation that today everywhere I went people were sad, disgusted, and afraid just like me.

Protest is a beautiful thing to have a right to, and in this case the protests themselves are more democratic than the electoral system that gave us a fucking monster. This man could set us back decades and hurt the entire world, so towing some line about "you lost, respect democracy" is bullshit. There are more important aspects of our existence than political propriety. Like human rights and not making the world uninhabitable for human beings. Ya know, just the biggest things.

 

[MUnited83]

why are you being so mean they were economically scared and worried and didnt like corruption

One thing I have to say, it's going to be quite interesting to see those pieces of shit react when they discover that Trump is going to fuck their economy , and that they are not going get back the jobs they lost. Just terrible that the rest of the country will have to suffer the same fate.

 

[SkyOdin]

But the original plan did involve making sure the smaller states were represented and had their own say in the governance of the country. Making it completely popular vote would basically make everyone but a few states have no say in national elections.

Not "national elections". They would still have the House and Senate representing their local needs. There is only one election for a true national figure: the President. When every other elected official and election in the country is for local issues and the states, why should the Presidency be bound by those same considerations?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I guess you people aren't used to protests? Some here are acting like this is the end of american civilization.

Concern trolling.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Yeah the mods are gonna have an interesting time sorting out the new ban rules. Right now its political talk and emotions are high, but hate speech will soon be more accepted. Recruitment going into overdrive at the KKK im sure.

Hate speech will never be accepted on GAF.

 

[Tallshortman]

Dear Wikileaks,
Now what?

Fuck you sincerely,
Rational Humans

It's lucky Assange isn't in an embassy in Trump's America seeing as he'd likely order the storming of the embassy.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I guess you people aren't used to protests? Some here are acting like this is the end of american civilization.

It's weird. Some people forget easily I guess.

Any of you guys remember the Tea Party Movement?

Maybe this will be the start of something big. And maybe some millennials will actually, "gasp" vote in the next midterm election!

 

[Skatterd]

Obamacare raised premiums on everyone. Insurance companies are too powerful and Obama poking the sleeping giants didn't help.

My premium was raised by a lot. I agree,
I have a $7000 deductible, which I paid all of this year in medical bills.
After that my insurance kicked in and paid a LOT more.
Likely I would have been denied coverage altogether on this health condition by a health insurer without Obamacare...and paid tens of thousands of dollars.

There's a lot of things wrong with Obamacare I agree...but outright axing it without a sensible solution is going to be a much bigger disaster that I'm not sure this country fully understands quite yet.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I hope this Resistance coalesces into something bigger and lasting. Maybe a new far-left political party.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

I am hoping its the start of something.. I am already making plans to go up to DC for inauguration and protest. I am done sitting in the shadows and just letting my vote be my voice.

Hey man I encourage you all the way. Just keep it safe and peaceful, but loud.

My wife and I are thinking about a way to volunteer our time in our community, and I hope more do the same.

 

[Vestal]

Look at this fucking thread and then come back here wondering why people are protesting.....

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1311390

 

[Wereroku]

Just goes to show that people are tired of corrupt politicians that represent the establishment Clinton represented. Also, that email linking her to the Saudi's that fund both Clinton and ISIS probably didn't help her.

For god sake Clinton isn't corrupt. She is just not a very appealing candidate because a good percentage of people don't like her for a number of reasons. Among those reasons are of course many people who don't think a woman should be president. Some just see her as the direct arm of the shitty Democrat party. I wish we could have just had Obama again or hell just someone not so linked to old school politics with the tag line of it's my turn.

Not "national elections". They would still have the House and Senate representing their local needs. There is only one election for a true national figure: the President. When every other elected official and election in the country is for local issues and the states, why should the Presidency be bound by those same considerations?

Because the President has national powers maybe? Why should the President only represent a few of the highest population states?

 

[ryseing]

Just goes to show that people are tired of corrupt politicians that represent the establishment Clinton represented. Also, that email linking her to the Saudi's that fund both Clinton and ISIS probably didn't help her.

Trump is a white male of the .1%. HE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I hope this Resistance coalesces into something bigger and lasting. Maybe a new far-left political party.

Splintering the party even further would be a good way to ensure even less effectiveness.

 

[Speely]

I am hoping its the start of something.. I am already making plans to go up to DC for inauguration and protest. I am done sitting in the shadows and just letting my vote be my voice.

Good for you. We need that kind of mentality now more than ever. Our country has veered onto a very dark path. I am likewise looking for community-based projects to volunteer for that focus on mitigating the damage here in Seattle. Luckily, I live in a city where that's not going to be hard to find.

 

[Merriweather]

I haven't seen anything on the Chicago news about this so perhaps it's just hyperbole, but my wife texted me that she waited on a tow truck driver tonight who was on the phone with the mayor of the next suburb over. This guy was claiming that someone was arrested at a gas station right by the Eisenhower Expressway with a car loaded with C4 and they were planning to drive downtown to Trump Tower.

Again, probably hyperbole. But who knows...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

What are they protesting?

The dairy industry.

 

[yanipheonu]

Look at this fucking thread and then come back here wondering why people are protesting.....

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1311390

Yeah this is in serious danger of becoming much bigger and dangerous than intended

If I were in the States, id straight up be out there too,.

Please, please, please, no one get killed. That could start a fire.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

One thing I have to say, it's going to be quite interesting to see those pieces of shit react when they discover that Trump is going to fuck their economy , and that they are not going get back the jobs they lost. Just terrible that the rest of the country will have to suffer the same fate.

They'll find someone else to blame. Human beings never will admit their the problem.

Telling people their deserved anxieties and need to shout that fear as childish is some short-sighted shit that makes my blood boil. I've been trying to act calm and rational but that shit is infuriating.

 

[MUnited83]

Just goes to show that people are tired of corrupt politicians that represent the establishment Clinton represented. Also, that email linking her to the Saudi's that fund both Clinton and ISIS probably didn't help her.

Yeah, i'm sure a billionaire businessman that only wants the position for his own profit and that will take the money of any corporation that offers him some is totally a non-corrupt choice at all.

The dude is literally the establishment. He's been corrupt for years, he doesn't pay taxes, he bribes anyone he cans to try and make his businesses sucessful. And even then, he's so dumb he manages to bankrupt a fucking casino. And this is the guy almost half of the electors want in charge of the economy? Holy shit.

They'll find someone else to blame. Human beings never will admit their the problem.

Telling people their deserved anxieties and need to shout that fear as childish is some short-sighted shit that makes my blood boil. I've been trying to act calm and rational but that shit is infuriating.

Oh, I don't doubt that. They will blame Obama, as per usual. They can never admit they were wrong.