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[jordan0386]

Him winning is one of the most impressive things I've ever witnessed in my 30 years of life.

It really goes to show that being born rich is the only way to go. Almost anything is possible with money.

Shitty person and campaign aside its one for the history books. To me.

 

[DiscoJer]

Rust Belt will eventually learn that their jobs aren't in China, they're in robots. Trump isn't going to pass a law that forces companies that want to sell in the US to produce here and also only hire humans. If anything, he'll encourage them to maximize efficiency and profit.

They should have started retraining 10 years ago, but they didn't want to do that, and neither Bush nor Obama wanted to make them. Now they're willing to burn it all down if there's an even 1% chance things will get fixed.

Retrain in what, exactly? These people are not going to get STEM or office jobs. You can't just wave a magic "education" wand and blue collar workers transform into white collar ones..

This sort of thinking is just as unrealistic as the establishment Republican's ideas that these people should just move to where the jobs went, i.e. overseas or to Mexico or China

Him winning is one of the most impressive things I've ever witnessed in my 30 years of life.

It really goes to show that being born rich is the only way to go. Almost anything is possible with money.

Shitty person and campaign aside its one for the history books. To me.

Except that he actually spent much less than his rivals in the primary (much, much less than Jeb) and less than Clinton.

Fame is the key. There's a saying, if you are famous, you can get money> But if you are rich, you can't necessarily get famous.

 

[Auto_aim1]

So Hillary Clinton gets the majority of individual votes (popular vote) but Trump ends up winning it all. That doesn't sound like democracy to me, the Electoral College system is flawed.

Democrats have an advantage in the electoral college, tons of paths to the presidency. Free auto-win states like California and New York which gives then 84 EVs. In fact, it's the Republicans who should be whining about it. Blaming electoral college is ridiculous. The most simple answer is: Clinton didn't motivate the voters in the rust belt states. She took Wisconsin for granted, and focused on winning huge by campaigning in states like Arizona instead of playing safe and going for 270.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Retrain in what, exactly? These people are not going to get STEM or office jobs. You can't just wave a magic "education" wand and blue collar workers transform into white collar ones..

This sort of thinking is just as unrealistic as the establishment Republican's ideas that these people should just move to where the jobs went, i.e. overseas or to Mexico or China.

Aren't the trades in good demand? Like plumbing, electrical, etc? Different kind of jobs of course and would require moving for most people.

 

[Bishop89]

 

[Tak3n]

I posted it before the votes....

But could do with saying again, Lord Ashcroft spent 6 months doing focus groups in the US before the election, and he said everytime it always came back to personality

and lets be frank, a goldfish has more charm than Clinton

 

[DieNgamers]

Him winning is one of the most impressive things I've ever witnessed in my 30 years of life.

It really goes to show that being born rich is the only way to go. Almost anything is possible with money.

Shitty person and campaign aside its one for the history books. To me.

Politcally I haven't experienced many events on this scale, too and it's just one more log on the pile.

The feeling of things getting out of control worldwide is something you can't ignore these days. Everything is moving all around us, it will be hard to retain that status quo that has been in effect since the cold war ended. Living in Germany, for example, has always been easy & safe in the regard that everything bad always happens elsewhere. Not feeling that safe anymore.

 

[mStudios]

I guess the profecy it's gonna be truth

https://youtu.be/ZbM6WbUw7Bs

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Pence as any kind of safety measure is a stretch

 

[jelly]

As an outsider observer of this clusterfuck, my gut told me two things during the run up to the election;

a) America is going to vote in Trump, continuing their history of bizarre voting choices because durrrr celebrity
b) Whomever wins is going to be a one term president

Fingers crossed Trump is gone after one term. Given that he's already got his team describing the wall as 'a metaphor' and the entire world is looking on in despair, I think it's probably a safe bet.

Slow clap to the 6 million missing Dem/Obama voters who couldn't be bothered to go out and vote despite the threat of this lunacy, by the way.

Won't his Supreme Court picks basically screw it up for 20 years+

It's not just his 4 years.

 

[DrSlek]

What the Russian papers are saying this morning: https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/796623914520743936/video/1

To be fair, I think everybody is asking those questions due to the clear indications of Russian meddling in the election....though obviously this paper is asking for somewhat selfish reasons.

 

[unpopularblargh]

This is one reason I have empathy for some of these people though. They are defeated by the changing landscape. They're broke, drug use is rampant, their families are broken, and all they knew has been taken away from them. I know it sucks, I'm not saying it's the right choice, but a lot of these people are throwing a hail mary since nothing else has worked for them.

I have no empathy for them. Hillary would have done more for their benefit than Trump ever will. They literally screwed their futures.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/15/13286498/donald-trump-voters-race-economic-anxiety

Hillary Clinton, to her great credit, has offered programs ranging from expanded child care to free college to a plan to fight the opioid epidemic to child tax credit expansions to improvements to Obamacare that will leave millions of white Trump supporters much better off. This isn’t worth doing to win back their votes; it’s worth doing because it’s the right thing to do.

Notably, Trump is not proposing anything like this and would in fact raise taxes on many middle-class families.

 

[FyreWulff]

Pence being our safety net is like your airbag being made of sandpaper and deployed only for the driver.

 

[Peterc]

Hi i'm from Europe
Call me crazy but I'm worried about 2 things, the rest isn't important.

1. Global warming is a fact, it should be on the first place(specially for those who have kids). Scientists arround the world, Nasa and many more are already saying it's a disaster. But Trump says, well it's a joke it isn't happening by us. 1 vs the rest.

http://futurism.com/neil-degrasse-tyson-heres-what-earth-will-be-like-in-500-years/

If US isn't doing anything, China would do the same....

2. Puttin is trying to devide all countries in Europe including America.
At the moment he is doing a nice job
- He tried to help Trump to become president
- Bring massive hysteriain germany.
- Said Belgium are dropping bombs in Syrië on civilians (not true of course).
- Support Marine Le Pen with money in France to become the next "minister" -> she hate neighbour countries and moslims.
- Even maybe he has something to do with the UK brexit
- And even many other things ...


Beside this he also tried to figure out how the can shutdown US the satellite (with a laser device) and cut the network cables from US to Europe.

In 2020 he has a plain that can fly in space and drop a nuke in 2h anyware in the world.
The nuke that will be ready in 2019 can wipeout France or a state in the us.

He also increased a hugh budget for the Military.

I think he is planning to attack all neighbour countries in the next years (Estland...) to win them back and maybe even more....

I wouldn't trust him, but yes, still people voted for Trump. It's a dangerous move...

I hope we will all stick together and also increase the budget for defense. The only way to protect us if WO3 starts

 

[GamerJM]

This is probably a stupid and sort of nebulous realization to make, but I only just now realized just how long a four year period is. I don't mean that as in I only just realized that this is a long enough period of time for him to do serious damage (I always knew this), I mean just like looking at the next four years relative to my life, it'll be a long time. Like, by the time this presidency will be over, we'll be well into the next decade, the majority of my 20s will be over, and I'll probably be years removed from being finished with college and starting my career. And this man will be a major part of all of our lives for that entire time.

 

[P.H. Perinax]

If Clinton had lost against a run of the mill politician, I honestly wouldn't have minded as much. You can't expect your candidate to win every election, that's just hubris. However, Clinton lost to a man who got his start in political life by openly questioning the citizenship of the first black president of the United States, and then brazenly lying as if we didn't know what words mean. And now the first black president has to hand over the keys to the White House as if that didn't matter. He said that an ENTIRE COUNTRY sent their drug dealers and rapists, as if that was Mexico's policy, and then had the gall to go there as if everything was no big deal. I can go on about everything that man has said and done but I don't want to be here all day. All I can say is; when white America (let's not beat around the bush here) was given a choice between a flawed but competent public servant and a SLEAZY LUNATIC, they chose someone with nothing to offer them pipe dreams and "reality" show style buzzwords. I don't trust him. I am not going to accept him. He will never be my president.

 

[TCRS]

Clinton will forever be the candidate who lost to Donald fucking Trump.

 

[Principate]

Clinton will forever be the candidate who lost to Donald fucking Trump.

Not "Donald fucking Trump", Donald Pussy grabbing Trump". She lost the white female vote by over 50% to that while a candidate to be the first white female President.. The incompetence knows no bounds.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I'm going to pray some of these articles coming out are just fucking with us. I mean I'm terrified of the usual republican wackos, but Sheriff Joe, Rudy Gilliani, and Sarah Palin? Goddamn

They let Lex Luthor into the White House. Might as well let in the whole Legion of Doom while we're at it.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

b) Whomever wins is going to be a one term president

This was my hope going into it after the primaries. I am far more doubtful now.

 

[maquiladora]

Now that the election is over, they are not even trying to hide it.

Now fllashback to August 2

On Monday, in response to an inquiry from NBC News, Putin's press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, set the record straight on behalf of his boss. "President Putin has never had any contacts with Trump, never spoken to him, including by telephone," Peskov told the network. "The same goes for all of his staff. We don't have dealings with them."

Welcome to the post-truth world.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I give up on America, because I give up on Americans.

I'll still vote in elections (not just presidential ones), but fuck, it seems that as long as you tell rural and blue collar workers that their jobs will be okay, even if it's just empty words with no substance, you can literally say, and do, anything else, to anyone.

There is no fucking empathy or critical thinking in our population. No standards for how one conducts themselves or treats others. No integrity. Only faux outrage over conjured up scandals and a sports-like mentality to governing.

Fuck this country

 

[Principate]

This was my hope going into it after the primaries. I am far more doubtful now.

It's funny Trump has been such a flip flopping train wreck going into this election and still winning I wonder what on Earth he can even do to piss off his base. Not like they're weren't warning signs everywhere and it's not like scandal can really do much damage to Teflon Don at this point.

 

[Servbot24]

Kinda like Bill Clinton?

Ah, that makes it okay then.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Not "Donald fucking Trump", Donald Pussy grabbing Trump". She lost the white female vote by over 50% to that while a candidate to be the first white female President.. The incompetence knows no bounds.

Nobody hates a successful female more than a female.

 

[cantona222]

To our American friends, do all people who voted for the presidential election vote for the house of representative and senates (same amount)? I mean do these other 2 elections have the same weight as the presidential? because I rarely see people talk about these elections and it seems to be as important.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Retrain in what, exactly? These people are not going to get STEM or office jobs. You can't just wave a magic "education" wand and blue collar workers transform into white collar ones..

This sort of thinking is just as unrealistic as the establishment Republican's ideas that these people should just move to where the jobs went, i.e. overseas or to Mexico or China
.

The government should have created new make-work programs like the Works Progress Administration and Civilian Conservation Corps to give people jobs and rebuild our infrastructure at the same time. But no, to the GOP that is socialism.

 

[Ricker]

Canadian here but I saw these numbers this morning...has it always been like this...?

''Updated poll numbers

231,556,622 eligible voters

46.9% didn't vote."


Seems like a lot to me.

 

[Darkstorne]

Hi i'm from Europe
Call me crazy but I'm worried about 2 things, the rest isn't important.

1. Global warming is a fact, it should be on the first place(specially for those who have kids). Scientists arround the world, Nasa and many more are already saying it's a disaster. But Trump says, well it's a joke it isn't happening by us. 1 vs the rest.


If US isn't doing anything, China would do the same....

2. Puttin is trying to devide all countries in Europe including America.
At the moment he is doing a nice job
- He tried to help Trump to become president
- Bring massive hysteriain germany.
- Said Belgium are dropping bombs in Syrië on civilians (not true of course).
- Support Marine Le Pen with money in France to become the next "minister" -> she hate neighbour countries and moslims.
- Even maybe he has something to do with the UK brexit
- And even many other things ...


Beside this he also tried to figure out how the can shutdown US the satellite (with a laser device) and cut the network cables from US to Europe.

In 2020 he has a plain that can fly in space and drop a nuke in 2h anyware in the world.
The nuke that will be ready in 2019 can wipeout France or a state in the us.

He also increased a hugh budget for the Military.

I think he is planning to attack all neighbour countries in the next years (Estland...) to win them back and maybe even more....

I wouldn't trust him, but yes, still people voted for Trump. It's a dangerous move...

I hope we will all stick together and also increase the budget for defense. The only way to protect us if WO3 starts

Climate change is definitely the number one issue, and no exaggeration it is literally (as in LITERALLY, not figuratively) the biggest threat humanity has ever faced. The planet will be fine, even if we push global temps to the point that the greenhouse effect is able to snowball the climate all by itself without human help, and Earth becomes another 400+ degree rocky hothouse like Venus, the planet will still be here. It's us (and all other life) that will be wiped out.

Sadly, I don't think most people understand just how badly and how fast the climate will snowball once we pass the 3-4 degree mark, and given the widespread opinion that experts are now worth ignoring it's not like we can expect people to say "I don't understand the details, but I'll trust that the scientists who have dedicated their lives to studying this know what they're talking about."

We now look committed to at least 4 years of the world's second biggest contributors to global warming doing absolutely nothing to curb their carbon emissions, scrapping renewable energy, and going full-on fossil fuels (so making their carbon emissions even worse) when we're already facing the reality that 2.5 degrees is probably our BEST case scenario for global warming as 2 degrees is likely already beyond preventing. If Trump cannot be talked out of ignoring ALL facts and evidence that point to global warming being an extinction-event disaster, then we are all fucked.

 

[FyreWulff]

To our American friends, do all people who voted for the presidential election vote for the house of representative and senates (same amount)? I mean do these other 2 elections have the same weight as the presidential? because I rarely see people talk about these elections and it seems to be as important.

Every two years the entire House is up for election.

Every two years only 1/3rd of the Senate is up for election. It takes six years for the entire Senate to go through an election at least once.

 

[Principate]

Every two years the entire House is up for election.

Every two years only 1/3rd of the Senate is up for election. It takes six years for the entire Senate to go through an election at least once.

Republicans have all the power they could potentially have to pull off any bat shit crazy ideas they want. And make no mistake they will be trying to push any batshit crazy idea they want, power like this comes once a generation.

 

[GaimeGuy]

To our American friends, do all people who voted for the presidential election vote for the house of representative and senates (same amount)? I mean do these other 2 elections have the same weight as the presidential? because I rarely see people talk about these elections and it seems to be as important.

Legislators are geographically based. Every state gets exactly 2 senators in the Senate, and at least 1 representative in the house of Representatives. The senators represent the state as a whole geographic region, while the representatives represent their congressional districts, which are contiguous subsections of land completely contained within the state.

There are 435 representatives, distributed among the states in proportion to the state populations.


You only get to vote on your state's 2 Senate races, and your district's 1 representative. You don't get a say in the other 98 senators or the other 434 representatives

The presidential race is the only true national race we have.

 

[Kölsch Bloot]

Gonna drop this here ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZc8tBtIDhI

 

[SprachBrooks]

Nobody hates a successful female more than a female.

As if this isn't misogynistic in itself? Generalising a gender based on unfounded claims.

Also ignores the various reasons many would choose not vote for Clinton; as this all of a sudden places the blame on the voter rather than the perceived inadequacies of the candidate.

 

[Principate]

Nobody hates a successful female more than a female.

Even assuming this is true (which I don't think it is). This is like literally over 50% of the black population voting for a KKK Presidential candidate against Obama. This dude is a sexual predator and misogynistic openly he brags about it. He is almost certainly a rapist, has made passes at pre teen girls and I wouldn't be surprised if he's had sexual relations with his own daughter. He is that fucking bad no hyperbole what so ever. Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ.

As if this isn't misogynistic in itself? Generalising a gender based on unfounded claims.

Also ignores the various reasons many would choose not vote for Clinton; as this all of a sudden places the blame on the voter rather than the perceived inadequacies of the candidate.

There's plenty of reasons not to vote for Clinton as a woman there's not many reasons to vote Trump as a women without having intense amounts of self hate.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Yep! Even harped on how the DNC stole the election from Bernie because of Delegates.

People have the memory of... something very small with no significant long term memory.

Oh oh! I got this one!

It's Trump, right?

 

[El Topo]

Also ignores the various reasons many would choose not vote for Clinton; as this all of a sudden places the blame on the voter rather than the perceived inadequacies of the candidate.

If sexism isn't an issue in politics or a noticeable factor, how come there are only (roughly) 20% women in Senate and Congress? It is not about blame, it is about an assessment of the US election, which includes sexism.
As I mentioned in other threads, these things have a very nuanced, complex influence on society, which includes the election. The narrative may be different, but if you take a step back and look at the big picture, there is definitely a general pattern in American society. See e.g. here for an international comparison.

Now there are of course reasons for gender disparity in politics, not all of them negative. It's a very complex field and this is not about blaming people. The interesting question is how sexism influences the political process and whether it can be quantified. I doubt that. It's still worth discussing.

 

[cantona222]

You only get to vote on your state's 2 Senate races, and your district's 1 representative. You don't get a say in the other 98 senators or the other 434 representatives

I see your point. My other question is do most people vote for these 2 elections? Do they have a similar attendance rate compared to the presidential election?

 

[Apt101]

Still going through the stages of grief on this. I didn't think my country was so awful that such a person could be elected to the highest office, but here we are.

I look forward to the critical examinations of this election season in the years to come. I've been listening to a lot of NPR and various talk radio shows on satellite. Read more social media reactions than I care to admit. Some of the reasons people voted for Trump seem as incoherent as his message, but I can say with pretty good confidence that those in the Rust Belt, those in the Midwest, and the registered Democrats that voted for him as some kind of protest to the vague "establishment" and media: you are not going to get what you want at all. He'll probably enact some kind of stimulus package for infrastructure like he's promised, and that may help for some of those people for a while, but it's going to be people like me - high earners in fields largely immune to recession and the plight of the poor - that will be the real winners. Life for those other voters are going to get even worse. Just reading his action items for his first hundred days would tell them that, but I doubt many of them even knew it existed let alone read it.

Some of the most memorable voters I spoke with: the first was a young arab man, early twenties going to a local college. He said he voted for Trump because Obama and Hillary were too involved in the Middle East. Two black guys, both in their thirties like me, said they voted for Trump because "society has gotten too P.C.(sic)". A woman in her late twenties who is college educated, lives here in Virginia Beach making six figures, is registered Democrat, but voted for Trump because she feels like "the establishment" has ignored the Midwest where she is from.

It's going to be a hard four years for some people.

 

[Kill3r7]

Not "Donald fucking Trump", Donald Pussy grabbing Trump". She lost the white female vote by over 50% to that while a candidate to be the first white female President.. The incompetence knows no bounds.

What percentage of those women voted for religious, partisan, economic or a plethora of other reasons? Just because you are a woman does not mean that you are a feminist or consider what Trump said reprehensible. Clearly a large percentage of white women did not see his behavior as a major issue.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Still going through the stages of grief on this. I didn't think my country was so awful that such a person could be elected to the highest office, but here we are.

I look forward to the critical examinations of this election season in the years to come. I've been listening to a lot of NPR and various talk radio shows on satellite. Read more social media reactions than I care to admit. Some of the reasons people voted for Trump seem as incoherent as his message, but I can say with pretty good confidence that those in the Rust Belt, those in the Midwest, and the registered Democrats that voted for him as some kind of protest to the vague "establishment" and media: you are not going to get what you want at all. He'll probably enact some kind of stimulus package for infrastructure like he's promised, and that may help for some of those people for a while, but it's going to be people like me - high earners in fields largely immune to recession and the plight of the poor - that will be the real winners. Life for those other voters are going to get even worse. Just reading his action items for his first hundred days would tell them that, but I doubt many of them even knew it existed let alone read it.

Some of the most memorable voters I spoke with: the first was a young arab man, early twenties going to a local college. He said he voted for Trump because Obama and Hillary were too involved in the Middle East. Two black guys, both in their thirties like me, said they voted for Trump because "society has gotten too P.C.(sic)". A woman in her late twenties who is college educated, lives here in Virginia Beach making six figures, is registered Democrat, but voted for Trump because she feels like "the establishment" has ignored the Midwest where she is from.

It's going to be a hard four years for some people.

Obama and the Democrats fucking saved Ohio steel and Detroit Auto while the GOP was saying to let it all burn. The same GOP Trump attached himself to.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Some thoughts I have.

A removal of the minimum wage.

Right to work state type laws for workers. These laws we have here in NC. An employer can work you to death, literally, and see no repricutions from it what so ever. They can tell you that if you don't work 100 hours straight without sleep you can be fired. If you attempt that and die they are not liable. Think about that for a minute.

Eventually, we will see mass unemployment, I'd say upwards of 60%. We are at about 22% now which isn't terrible but not very good. Still double unemployment rates before 2008. (I'm talking real unemployment rates here, (shadowstats) not manipulated ones from our government)

Completely unaffordable health care that can easily deny any claim, cancel for any reason, make anything a pre existing condition. This will encourage me to tell people that are in good health and young to simply not buy any health-care at all. Why part $600-$700 a month for healthcare plans that can deny you any claim? That's a waste, you are better off without it.

Much higher prices for everything through market manipulation.

More coal fired power plants and coal mining that won't produce any more jobs but tones more pollution.

More expensive renewables and the collapse of the renewable markets.


If you voted for Trump and you have aging parents or loved ones with pre-existing conditions that might needed expensive life saving surgery or drugs in the future. They probably won't get it out it will put your family in huge debt, and you can partly blame yourself, but mostly blame the Republican party, when they die. So I encourage you to start saving money now to help them out in the future. Educate yourself on proper diet, low carb high fat, not the other way around. Exercise and get loved ones exercising, weight bearing, cardio, balance, relaxation.

Above all, realize that we will soon have radical extremists with full control of our country now. Please hold a grudge for the future.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

I'm not advocating anything, but I can't believe the world is going to stand by while Trump literally destroys the planet with his plan to have the biggest climate change denier running the EPA and having a fracking billionaire running the department of energy. We are being driven over the cliff and there's nothing that can be done about it.

 

[Apt101]

Obama and the Democrats fucking saved Ohio steel and Detroit Auto while the GOP was saying to let it all burn. The same GOP Trump attached himself to.

I know man, I know. Despite the 24/7 news cycle and things like this being common knowledge to many, somehow there are apparently still many millions who either never knew, forgot, or just believe whatever revisionist narrative they're told.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

People should show trump the same respect he showed Obama

 

[Nervous Sausage]

I'm not advocating anything, but I can't believe the world is going to stand by while Trump literally destroys the planet with his plan to have the biggest climate change denier running the EPA and having a fracking billionaire running the department of energy. We are being driven over the cliff and there's nothing that can be done about it.

Yep, this is by far the most concerning thing out of this whole mess. We're witnessing the mass suicide of the entire human race and all life as we know it. How so many people could be so stupid to vote for this is beyond me. Future generations won't even be able to look back on us in disgust if they're all dead.

 

[Principate]

What percentage of those women voted for religious, partisan, economic or a plethora of other reasons? Just because you are a woman does not mean that you are a feminist or consider what Trump said reprehensible. Clearly a large percentage of white women did not see his behavior as a major issue.

It also means your ok with normalised sexual assault you don't have to be a feminist to see the problems of that and be personally effected by it.

 

[cantona222]

I hear many people are saying that they are going to have a tough 4-year period. Are you sure it isn't 8?

 

[BronsonLee]

I hear many people are saying that they are going to have a tough 4-year period. Are you sure it isn't 8?

It honestly depends on a lot of factors. They have control of House/Senate/Presidency, but if they push too hard out the gate, they will probably have a dangerous chance of losing the House in 2 years.

This is also the closest win for a presidential election that I can remember, so if Democrats come out in 4 years in force, or Republicans aren't really down with what they're getting, it's 4.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

This isn't even his final form