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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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I hear many people are saying that they are going to have a tough 4-year period. Are you sure it isn't 8?

No way to know for sure, but the Democrats need to retake congress in the mid terms. If they have any hope of winning in 2020 they have to have a strong congress AND a strong candidate.

Or they could just sit around and pray Trump does something impeachable.
 
We had a higher voter participation rate this election compared to last, even though we had about 7 million less voters. Now, considering population has grown in the 4 years, what happened?
 
A friend in NC just posted that the KKK is marching in celebration. He is a poc. :(

All those that voted for Trump hope you are ready to defend your fellow Americans from the KKK if needed.
 
I hear many people are saying that they are going to have a tough 4-year period. Are you sure it isn't 8?

No one should be sure, but the thing about Trump in this election is that he no record of political failure to be attacked on, and he could hide the record of his long record of personal failures by not releasing his tax returns.

If the his economy tanks he will not be be able to blame it on anyone, and the blowback will be enormous. The protectionist propaganda he used to sway simple minded rust belt voters is not actually going to help them.

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ald-trumps-economic-plan-would-be-anti-growth

Trump seems to think he can start a trade war and leaders in other countries will unilaterally disarm. The reality is that if the U.S. retreats from its leadership position on global trade, other countries will follow suit and give in to protectionist impulses too. We have seen this before in history, and the results have been tragic. There would be job losses in the U.S. and elsewhere, not job gains, and U.S. consumers would be forced to pay much more for the products they buy. Protectionism hits the poorest households the hardest because they are least able to handle the price increases that follow for food, clothing, and other essential goods.

Not all job losses are due to global trade, either. The reduction in manufacturing jobs in the U.S. is tied mainly to technological advances, not trade. No matter how high tariffs are raised, jobs lost to automation will not be resurrected. Trump is raising false hopes among millions of people who somehow think the clock on technology can be turned back to the 1960s.
 
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Some thoughts I have.

A removal of the minimum wage.

Right to work state type laws for workers. These laws we have here in NC. An employer can work you to death, literally, and see no repricutions from it what so ever. They can tell you that if you don't work 100 hours straight without sleep you can be fired. If you attempt that and die they are not liable. Think about that for a minute.

Eventually, we will see mass unemployment, I'd say upwards of 60%. We are at about 22% now which isn't terrible but not very good. Still double unemployment rates before 2008. (I'm talking real unemployment rates here, (shadowstats) not manipulated ones from our government)

Some of that seems a bit hysterical. Minimum wages are a combination of federal, city and state laws. Washington, Maine, Colorado, NYC, San Francisco, etc have $12-15 min wage laws which are unaffected by whatever the federal govt does. A federal law just sets the floor nationally so a dishwasher job in Arkansas would pay the same as in LA. States and cities with high cost of living and progressive voters are free to set their own floors, and many have. It was expected under Clinton that she would push for a $12-15 national minimum wage, thats unlikely to happen now but it doesn't prevent a single city or state from raising their own, like many already have.

Current laws hold no restrictions on how many hours you may be required to work or not, the ONLY law regarding hours worked is that if you are paid hourly you must be paid overtime for any work more than 40 hours in a week. Right to work is a completely different thing, it just means someone can quit anytime they want to, and they can also be fired at any time. Its again a state by state thing, not a federal thing.

Saying unemployment is going to hit 60% is a bit insane too. Sure, its possible. Its also possible that the economy will roar under Trump policies and wages will rise 10% every year for everyone, unemployment will go down to 1%, and there will be free Nintendo Switches for all. Nobody knows what is going to happen.

Healthcare is also one of those things we just don't know. Premiums in ACA went up 22% this year, so its not like things are really rosy right now. Trump says something else will replace ACA, that the pre-existing conditions clause will be maintained, and beyond that we really just don't know anything. Its going to take years to make changes due to the way ACA is tightly integrated with Medicaid, and if you fuck with Medicaid all the old people who voted Trump in are suddenly out of healthcare.
 
Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office & starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will come to their senses & will want him out of the President's chair.
 
Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office when he starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will want him out of the President's chair.

I'm more interested in seeing how many illegal things he does (as President and in his private business) when he's in the White House. Is a sitting President obligated to show up for a civil lawsuit if subpoenaed?
 
Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office & starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will come to their senses & will want him out of the President's chair.

I think we've got him for at least the 4.

That being said, I also think we're going to have a lot of infighting between Republicans
 
Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office & starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will come to their senses & will want him out of the President's chair.

I suspect once walls don't come up, bans don't get fulfilled, and the promise that "all your fondest wishes will come true" falls away, his already poor popularity will plummet.

We're stuck with Trump? I want to see him crash and burn.
 
I suspect once walls don't come up, bans don't get fulfilled, and the promise that "all your fondest wishes will come true" falls away, his already poor popularity will plummet.

We're stuck with Trump? I want to see him crash and burn.
What a great attitude to have, wanting your president and country to fail.
 
What a great attitude to have, wanting your president and country to fail.

Wanting policies you disagree with to fail to be enacted is not the same as wanting your country to fail.

I want Trump to be a good president, but he'd have to do the opposite of much of what he's promised to do.
 
I think we've got him for at least the 4.

That being said, I also think we're going to have a lot of infighting between Republicans

This is true. There's still a lot of establishment Republicans who favor corporate interests. Trump rose to power on a populist Republican sentiment so it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
 
At this point its all thats left.

Then go find another country to live in. I may not have voted for Trump but I love my country and want it to be successful. If Trump ends up a good President and the country becomes successful then I will be extremely thankful for it. I will NEVER wish for it to fail. I have to live here and work here and so do my family and friends. So do your family and friends. I hope Trump has a fantastic term so all Americans can benefit.
 
Then go find another country to live in. I may not have voted for Trump but I love my country and want it to be successful. If Trump ends up a good President and the country becomes successful then I will be extremely thankful for it. I will NEVER wish for it to fail. I have to live here and work here and so do my family and friends. So do your family and friends. I hope Trump has a fantastic term so all Americans can benefit.

LOL. Trump isn't going to do shit for us but bring a lot of people pain & misery, & you blindly believe that.
 
Then go find another country to live in. I may not have voted for Trump but I love my country and want it to be successful. If Trump ends up a good President and the country becomes successful then I will be extremely thankful for it. I will NEVER wish for it to fail. I have to live here and work here and so do my family and friends. So do your family and friends. I hope Trump has a fantastic term so all Americans can benefit.

Yup. I didn't vote for the guy and I personally don't think much of him, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope his term in office is successful.
 
LOL. Trump isn't going to do shit for us but bring a lot of people misery.

It's possible but he is our elected President. He won free and fair and it is what it is. I wish him the best of luck and hope for the sake of our country he does well. If he doesn't then hopefully we can take out the trash in four years.

I will never hope my country crashes and burns though.
 
Do you all think voter turnout will be much, much higher next election? Call me optimistic, but I feel like this election may have been a wake up call for a lot of people. I don't know if this state of disbelief and renewed political interest will still be as fierce four years from now, but I have to believe it may at least make quite a few people less complacent.
 
Do you all think voter turnout will be much, much higher next election? Call me optimistic, but I feel like this election may have been a wake up call for a lot of people. I don't know if this state of disbelief and renewed political interest will still be as fierce four years from now, but I have to believe it may at least make quite a few people less complacent.

I'm pretty sure the shock of such an upset win galvanizes everybody on both sides, in particular Democrats who have to make up ground immediately
 
What a great attitude to have, wanting your president and country to fail.

I kind of agree that hoping that Trump fails the country is perhaps a counterproductive thing to wish for. But for progressives, it's hard to imagine the scenario where Trump's objectives "succeed" in being good long term. And by that I just mean a couple of quick things like say business does thrive and jobs are created, at what cost will this come to the environment? Say repealing the ACA does bring my premiums down, at what cost will that come to people who needed the ACA to get affordable insurance coverage, or even just coverage at all? Say he does tighten domestic security down and there are no noteworthy acts of terror during his tenure, at what cost does that come to foreign residents of our country that aren't terrorists or "bad hombres"?

The election is over and the electorate has spoken, so all I can do is wait and see how things pan out. But as a middle class white guy, even though it's not hard for me to fathom my short-term, day-to-day quality of life possibly improving in some ways, it's incredibly difficult for me to imagine any long-term goals I agree with are going to be accomplished. High on the agenda is undoing acts Obama did that I agree with and appointing a hard-line conservative Supreme Court Justice. When this stuff happens, it's difficult to imagine it "not being all that bad."
 
I kind of agree that hoping that Trump fails the country is perhaps a counterproductive thing to wish for. But for progressives, it's hard to imagine the scenario where Trump's objectives "succeed" in being good long term. And by that I just mean a couple of quick things like say business does thrive and jobs are created, at what cost will this come to the environment? Say repealing the ACA does bring my premiums down, at what cost will that come to people who needed the ACA to get affordable insurance coverage, or even just coverage at all? Say he does tighten domestic security down and there are no noteworthy acts of terror during his tenure, at what cost does that come to foreign residents of our country that aren't terrorists or "bad hombres"?

The election is over and the electorate has spoken, so all I can do is wait and see how things pan out. But as a middle class white guy, even though it's not hard for me to fathom my short-term, day-to-day quality of life possibly improving in some ways, it's incredibly difficult for me to imagine any long-term goals I agree with are going to be accomplished. High on the agenda is undoing acts Obama did that I agree with and appointing a hard-line conservative Supreme Court Justice. When this stuff happens, it's difficult to imagine it "not being all that bad."

The problem is that his policies are almost guaranteed to spure economic growth... for the short term. It will ultimately lead to a recession but that may take years.
 
The problem is that his policies are almost guaranteed to spure economic growth... for the short term. It will ultimately lead to a recession but that may take years.

Massive tax cuts don't really help economic growth or job growth that much, we saw that under Bush. They just redistribute wealth upwards and blow out the federal budget.
 
Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office & starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will come to their senses & will want him out of the President's chair.

Many republicans just want the government to do nothing, so 6-48 months of bumbling around is fine by them.
 
LOL. Trump isn't going to do shit for us but bring a lot of people pain & misery, & you blindly believe that.

I don't believe anything. It is you who is blindly believing.

I said he is the lawfully elected leader of our country and it isn't going to change, so I hope that the country does well because it is my country too and I love my country.

You blindly believe that everything is going to be terrible before we even set sail on this four year voyage.
 
I wanted to believe that my school was too good for some of the things I have been seeing on the internet, but today white kids started yelling at Hispanic kids to go back to their country, and it broke out into a shouting and swearing match.

Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office & starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will come to their senses & will want him out of the President's chair.
After this election, how can you believe people will "come to their senses"?
 
Give it 6 months, people; Just 6 months once he's in office & starts fucking shit up.

You can bet that even the hardest Trump supporter will come to their senses & will want him out of the President's chair.

I wouldn't count on it. I'd even go so far as to say he'll be re-elected in four years with a larger margin.

If we learn from what has happened in Europe, which is important as Trump has taken quite a few cues from European populists, reality doesn't always correlate with popularity. You can easily drive the country to the ground and still see your support rising.
 
Do you all think voter turnout will be much, much higher next election? Call me optimistic, but I feel like this election may have been a wake up call for a lot of people. I don't know if this state of disbelief and renewed political interest will still be as fierce four years from now, but I have to believe it may at least make quite a few people less complacent.

Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to defeat themselves.
 
Someone tell Hillary Clinton

She's not going to run again. If you're referring to her running after losing the primaries to Obama in 2008, I'll note that I was speaking only about general elections. It's not uncommon to lose the primaries and run again and win the nomination. McCain lost to Bush in 2000 and won the nomination in 2008. Romney ran in 2008 and lost to McCain but won the nomination in 2012.
 
I kind of agree that hoping that Trump fails the country is perhaps a counterproductive thing to wish for. But for progressives, it's hard to imagine the scenario where Trump's objectives "succeed" in being good long term. And by that I just mean a couple of quick things like say business does thrive and jobs are created, at what cost will this come to the environment? Say repealing the ACA does bring my premiums down, at what cost will that come to people who needed the ACA to get affordable insurance coverage, or even just coverage at all? Say he does tighten domestic security down and there are no noteworthy acts of terror during his tenure, at what cost does that come to foreign residents of our country that aren't terrorists or "bad hombres"?

The election is over and the electorate has spoken, so all I can do is wait and see how things pan out. But as a middle class white guy, even though it's not hard for me to fathom my short-term, day-to-day quality of life possibly improving in some ways, it's incredibly difficult for me to imagine any long-term goals I agree with are going to be accomplished. High on the agenda is undoing acts Obama did that I agree with and appointing a hard-line conservative Supreme Court Justice. When this stuff happens, it's difficult to imagine it "not being all that bad."

An unregulated financial sector will produce the same old shit, business' will thrive the economy will grow, boom time for all and with no risk prosecution or any negative consequences at all, areas of the financial sector will become greedy more and more fraudulent and the inevitable bust comes and we go through this song and dance again, except the people who started it will benefit from the economic downturn. Granted this was probably going to happen anyway way but I imagine these cycles will accelerate in rate.
 
She's not going to run again. If you're referring to her running after losing the primaries to Obama in 2008, I'll note that I was speaking only about general elections. It's not uncommon to lose the primaries and run again and win the nomination. McCain lost to Bush in 2000 and won the nomination in 2008. Romney ran in 2008 and lost to McCain but won the nomination in 2012.

You're kind of proving my point. They all lost a previous primary then followed with a loss in the general election.
 
Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to defeat themselves.

+1 to this.

All Trump has to do is give some relief to rural America in the rust belt, and the unions in that regions will stay red for him. They might even come out & vote in bigger numbers for him in 2020 if his support is good enough.
 
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