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[encephalon]

There's an incredible amount of irony in lambasting Clinton for taking rust belt votes for granted, given that Bernie did better with them, then taking all the votes he didn't win for granted.

 

[sanstesy]

Great.

 

[IrishNinja]

But it didn't because that wasn't the case...Trumps total numbers were lower than Romney's in 2012. Everyone here is assuming it was Democrats turning to Trumps side, when the results in some states could have very well ALSO been Trump getting the expected amount of votes and Hillary get much less (due to apathy and not voting), which would make it looks like a relative move towards Trump

also this

Don't fucking fucking fucking

boy, i sure appreciate those links, but do me a favor & check your tone before addressing me again, kindly. thanks.

 

[Chumley]

Please. I voted for that loser. I'd rather she lost the primaries, but she had to lose when it actually mattered, ffs. Against a racist perv, no less.

Also, you don't get to talk shit and then tell me to be quiet just because your reality was so distorted that her emails weren't an actual issue. Just another dose of reality: people actually cared, and it was just one of the several reasons why she couldn't muster enough enthusiasm to win against someone who used charity funds for legal fees.

Everything was an issue, not just the emails, because the GOP propaganda, FBI interference, Russian hacking, and sexism all worked. And she still got the popular vote. Yet we're all here tearing her down instead of admiring how far a woman was able to get.

 

[Ushojax]

The rust belt was the only path to a Trump victory, Clinton ran a complacent campaign that failed to energise working class voters and pitched her as a continuity candidate in an atmosphere of feverish anti-establishment anger. What this result (and Brexit) have shown the world is that social progressivism means absolutely fuck all to the man in the street. They don't vote based on social issues, they don't care about sex scandals and abuse of minority groups. They vote to improve their own quality of life, not that of downtrodden minorities.

Trump had a (completely bullshit) message but it was what a lot of people in the rust belt wanted to hear. Clinton's message about glass ceilings and rainbow coalitions meant sweet fuck all to them. The result is a reality check and a reminder that left-wing successes have always needed those working class voters to drive them. If you don't enthuse them, you cannot win. Clinton basically said "your jobs are not coming back" to those people, why would that win their vote? It might be true but such harsh truths aren't going to win you any votes. Trump was able to make those rust belt voters feel positive about the future. Clinton never even tried, and it's that lack of enthusiasm that has led to this result.

 

[Seventy70]

The travesty of this is that it worked well on voters who would have voted Democrat any other time. 30 year of Republican propaganda had utterly convince a large number of millennials that Hillary was crooked and not to be trusted despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

And it Certainly didn't help matters that Bernie energized his based on this also. Bernie and his campaign told his supporters that the Democratic Party represented everything bad in America politics despite the fact that they were the only thing stopping the Republicans from turning America into a conservative shit hole. That the democrats and Hillary by extension was rigging the election. An attack that Trump continues to use. Thank you very much Bernie. So they stayed home.

Isn't the bolded part true though? This is exactly the problem. People saw what he was saying and were told "vote for the least worst!" That ended up depressing voter turnout. You have to admit that the DNC was being quite arrogant towards Bernie and his supporters.

 

[PdotMichael]

Everything was an issue, not just the emails, because the GOP propaganda, FBI interference, Russian hacking, and sexism all worked. And she still got the popular vote. Yet we're all here tearing her down instead of admiring how far a woman was able to get.

Yeah, she had it worse than Obama who was suddenly not an American anymore and a terrorist.

 

[Chariot]

When did GAF become so anti-Hillary?

When PoliGAF retreated back into their own cushion zone and stopped suppressing the anti-hillary opinions.

I mad, because I tried for months to get people to understand that we must work together. That you can't just force Hillary by demanding that people vote for her and make every other opinion invalid.

I got this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208215234&postcount=38

 

[Makonero]

Everything was an issue, not just the emails, because the GOP propaganda, FBI interference, Russian hacking, and sexism all worked. And she still got the popular vote. Yet we're all here tearing her down instead of admiring how far a woman was able to get.

Because she lost. To Trump.

There's no second place trophy for Muslims banned from the country, or people with cancer who will no longer be able to get health insurance, or women who need a legal abortion. No participation ribbons.

She fucking lost and let everyone down.

 

[noshten]

There's an incredible amount of irony in lambasting Clinton for taking rust belt votes for granted, given that Bernie did better with them, then taking all the votes he didn't win for granted.

Unions investigate their poor showing for Clinton

Organized labor is searching for answers after union households failed to turn out for Hillary Clinton despite a massive voter mobilization effort -- a sharp departure from decades of union support for Democratic presidential candidates.

The assumption is that Donald Trump's positions on trade resonated strongly with union members, particularly those in blue-collar jobs. But union leaders are looking at exit polls for a deeper dive into the reasons.

Nationally, Cinton outperformed Trump among union households by just 8 percent, the smallest Democratic advantage since Walter Mondale’s failed campaign against Ronald Reagan in 1984. For a more recent perspective, President Barack Obama won union households by 18 percent in 2012.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/labor-unions-hillary-clinton-mobilization-231223

Worst since Mondale but sure the Socialist has no chance of performing better with union members.
How many unions endorsed Clinton again? How did she win Nevada primary again? Why didn't the people in the unions show up in the actual election?
Oh yes no tipping the scales... no sir..

 

[Cranster]

They aren't entirely wrong. All of those factors played a part. To those saying she should have easily won, maybe Millennials and the rest of the 46% whom didn't vote should have actually gotten out and voted rather than sit out the election and complain about how she lost.

 

[TheSchwab_7]

Why do people assume Bernie would have agreed to this? How can Bernie supporters honestly think this when the opposite seems much more likely??

I wasn't a Bernie supporter. I voted for Hillary in the primaries and in the election. Take it easy. I was suggesting that having Bernie in the public eye with Hillary may have helped her more than having Tim Kaine.

 

[Kthulhu]

They aren't entirely wrong. All of those factors played a part. To those saying she should have easily won, maybe Millennials and the rest of the 46% whom didn't vote should have actually gotten out and voted rather than sit out the election and complain about how she lost.

The buck stops at the candidate and their party. They are ultimately responsible for their loss.

 

[Cagey]

Everything was an issue, not just the emails, because the GOP propaganda, FBI interference, Russian hacking, and sexism all worked. And she still got the popular vote. Yet we're all here tearing her down instead of admiring how far a woman was able to get.

She will rightfully be remembered as the person who lost the presidency to Donald Fucking Trump.

"Good try you got close!" is not and will never be a proper sentiment to feel for her. Jeb Bush, a reasonable and competent person whom one can disagree with, did not win. Donald Fucking Trump did.

Her place in history is secure, and we're all much worse off because of it.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Another thing I don't see people really bringing up, but changing sentiments towards race. We've assumed relations have gotten better, but it's very possible and very likely they've gotten worse and even more divisive. Obama was fairly popular, but we're forgetting that like Trump (but for the opposite reason) he brought out a bunch of closet bigots who now had a bigger target to voice their shit towards. We also had the BLM movement, which also caused great divisions and spurning even more openly bigoted groups to come into the fray in the form of ALM and Blue Lives Matter. I wonder how much overlap there was between the groups she lost and the people who identified with the ones I mentioned above

The buck stops at the candidate and their party. They are ultimately responsible for their loss.

Why? Because you chose to ignore everything else?

 

[orochi91]

The more and more we hear about Clinton and her campaign, the more I'm convinced she was the Democrat's "Mitt Romney."

The arrogance
The tone deafness
The "hot mic" moment of getting caught insulting the public
The image of being a rich establishment elite that's out-of-touch with the middle class


In hindsight, it is amazing how much Hilary and Mitt are similar.

Agreed.

They both lost to Obama too, lol

 

[SURGEdude]

I'm saying it's not a given that Bernie would've definitely won and was gonna be a sure thing. They're speaking with 100% certainty about an election that never happened.

I did no such thing. I simply said it's feasible and likely. And the admittedly little info we have one way or another pointed to him doing better against Trump in a general. I think the results bolster that argument based on where she lost. Obviously I can't prove that hypothetical to be the case. Interdimensional travel isn't around yet

If I've ever said more than that I thought he had a better shot then I apologize, and am happy to correct my statement to reflect my true intentions.

 

[Makonero]

They aren't entirely wrong. All of those factors played a part. To those saying she should have easily won, maybe Millennials and the rest of the 46% whom didn't vote should have actually gotten out and voted rather than sit out the election and complain about how she lost.

I don't think they're the ones complaining. People who had legit criticism that was handwaved and then sucked it up, got in line, and voted are the ones who are upset. People who didn't vote don't really care. It's the job of the candidate to get them to care and Hillary failed.

 

[Night Angel]

Everything was an issue, not just the emails, because the GOP propaganda, FBI interference, Russian hacking, and sexism all worked. And she still got the popular vote. Yet we're all here tearing her down instead of admiring how far a woman was able to get.

All of that stuff happened.

But look at the shit that happened with Trump. Somehow he managed.

Abuela isn't getting slammed for those factors impacting her campaign, she's getting slammed for making enormous errors during her campaign that could easily have swayed the vote in her favor. She lost control of a portion of her base in key areas because she thought she automatically had their vote while simultaneously campaigning on a platform designed to fuck over their careers and way of life. Smart lady.

 

[HazySaiyan]

When did GAF become so anti-Hillary?

It was always there but HillaryGAF were so obnoxious with their 'YASS QUEEN', immediately dogpiling on anybody who had any legitimate criticisms of her and throwing out strawmen like 'you just don't like her cause she's a woman!' that I think a lot of people just got tired of having any sort of conversation about her and bowed out. That sort of hostility is ripe for an echo chamber.

 

[Chariot]

They aren't entirely wrong. All of those factors played a part. To those saying she should have easily won, maybe Millennials and the rest of the 46% whom didn't vote should have actually gotten out and voted rather than sit out the election and complain about how she lost.

It was their job to work towards any factors. How did any of these push them to make the decision to ignore the Rust Belt or to send Hillary home every day per plane, to stop polling and to let er fund raise instead of campaign?

 

[IrishNinja]

The rust belt was the only path to a Trump victory, Clinton ran a complacent campaign that failed to energise working class voters and pitched her as a continuity candidate in an atmosphere of feverish anti-establishment anger. What this result (and Brexit) have shown the world is that social progressivism means absolutely fuck all to the man in the street. They don't vote based on social issues, they don't care about sex scandals and abuse of minority groups. They vote to improve their own quality of life, not that of downtrodden minorities.

Trump had a (completely bullshit) message but it was what a lot of people in the rust belt wanted to hear. Clinton's message about glass ceilings and rainbow coalitions meant sweet fuck all to them. The result is a reality check and a reminder that left-wing successes have always needed those working class voters to drive them. If you don't enthuse them, you cannot win. Clinton basically said "your jobs are not coming back" to those people, why would that win their vote? It might be true but such harsh truths aren't going to win you any votes. Trump was able to make those rust belt voters feel positive about the future. Clinton never even tried, and it's that lack of enthusiasm that has led to this result.

see, this feels like a pretty strong rebuttal here. no told-you-so bernie bro revisions, no focus on deplorables, just a narrative that's hard to argue with.

you gotta wonder what these voters will do when trump doesn't return any of those lost jobs?

Spoiler

hahaha no you don't, they'll vote GOP again

Another thing I don't see people really bringing up, but changing sentiments towards race. We've assumed relations have gotten better, but it's very possible and very likely they've gotten worse and even more divisive. Obama was fairly popular, but we're forgetting that like Trump (but for the opposite reason) he brought out a bunch of closet bigots who now had a bigger target to voice their shit towards. We also had the BLM movement, which also caused great divisions and spurning even more openly bigoted groups to come into the fray in the form of ALM and Blue Lives Matter. I wonder how much overlap there was between the groups she lost and the people who identified with the ones I mentioned above

if i had to draw a venn diagram it'd look very much just like a circle, i'd wager

 

[lastflowers]

also this



boy, i sure appreciate those links, but do me a favor & check your tone before addressing me again, kindly. thanks.

wah, I read a bad word.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Fuck off. Minorities don't need people in the party who aren't willing to entertain the idea of their own mediocrity.

 

[Cranster]

The buck stops at the candidate and their party. They are ultimately responsible for their loss.

In this case it's not that black and white. Anyone who stood with the hashtag Bernie or Bust, Never Hillary, or Both Are Evil deserve a good chunk of the blame. They were warned what the stakes were even by Bernie himself when he endorsed Hillary and we had the 2000 election to look at as an example.

 

[Chumley]

She will rightfully be remembered as the person who lost the presidency to Donald Fucking Trump.

"Good try you got close!" is not and will never be a proper sentiment to feel for her. Jeb Bush, a reasonable and competent person whom one can disagree with, did not win. Donald Fucking Trump did.

Her place in history is secure, and we're all much worse off because of it.

America will be remembered as the country that elected him, and she will be remembered as the first woman to get the nomination of a major party. It's not her fault that 50 million people wanted to elect him.

 

[Apharmd]

Fuck off. Minorities don't need people in the party who aren't willing to entertain the idea of their own mediocrity.

Yeah.

 

[Maximo]

If this is the viewpoint they have they aint gonna win next election, they need a good hard fucking look at them selves because that election should have been won by a landslide.

 

[mjp2417]

There's an incredible amount of irony in lambasting Clinton for taking rust belt votes for granted, given that Bernie did better with them, then taking all the votes he didn't win for granted.

.

 

[depths20XX]

America will be remembered as the country that elected him, and she will be remembered as the first woman to get the nomination of a major party. It's not her fault that 50 million people wanted to elect him.

It's completely the failing of her terrible campaign that she wasn't able to win against a childish reality TV star.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

see, this feels like a pretty strong rebuttal here. no told-you-so bernie bro revisions, no focus on deplorables, just a narrative that's hard to argue with.

you gotta wonder what these voters will do when trump doesn't return any of those lost jobs?

Spoiler

hahaha no you don't, they'll vote GOP again

if i had to draw a venn diagram it'd look very much just like a circle, i'd wager

these people will never admit they made a mistake. Too many people believe they are pure and wouldn't make such colossal fucking mistakes. "I am not wrong, it is you who is wrong."

 

[BajiBoxer]

Isn't TYT considered fringe kookery?

Why am I having a hard time..rejecting this video?

Well, I find them reasonable most of the time I watch them, but yes, sometimes they do veer into Kookery territory (particularly Cenk). Like with the emails thing. He got into a lot of innuendo without explicitly connecting the dots, and citing one or two crazy right wing sites. He's an intelligent guy with some intelligent opinions, but not a real journalist, imo.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Fuck off. Minorities don't need people in the party who aren't willing to entertain the idea of their own mediocrity.

I like this post

I wasn't a Bernie supporter. I voted for Hillary in the primaries and in the election. Take it easy. I was suggesting that having Bernie in the public eye with Hillary may have helped her more than having Tim Kaine.

Take what easy? I'm not shooting down the idea, but like people who keep claiming Warren 2020, you guys seem to ignore the individuals personal thoughts on it in these hypothetical situations. I'm just saying, Bernie didn't seem like the type who would want to be VP. He gave that impression of either being the top billing (President spot) or back to being a Senator

 

[Makonero]

America will be remembered as the country that elected him, and she will be remembered as the first woman to get the nomination of a major party. It's not her fault that 50 million people wanted to elect him.

It is her fault that a politician with 30 years experience expected to be handed the election on a silver platter. She lost because she failed, not because Trump did well.

 

[SURGEdude]

So it's personal and not even about the candidate? How petty

I was simply answering his question as to why there might be some new voices that he hasn't noticed before. Not presenting my entire political worldview. If you want that I've made many posts in this thread and other that address it.

 

[Cagey]

America will be remembered as the country that elected him, and she will be remembered as the first woman to get the nomination of a major party and then lost to Donald Trump. It's not her fault that 50 million people wanted to elect him.

The inserted bold text is all that matters and all that will ever matter.

Again. She's not Romney or Kerry or Gore or Dole. She didn't lose to other politicians regardless of their quality. She lost to a racist sexist celebrity dimwit with historic unlikeability ratings.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

the history books will remember clinton for losing to trump

everything else is irrelevant. You will need the revelation that Putin did some Civ shit to change that. May be not deserved, but deserve means nothing.

 

[Chumley]

The inserted bold text is all that matters and all that will ever matter.

Then you're just as sexist as the rest of this country.

 

[Makonero]

Then you're just as sexist as the rest of this country.

Calling people sexist sure does make them want to agree with you

 

[Kthulhu]

In this case it's not that black and white. Anyone who stood with the hashtag Bernie or Bust, Never Hillary, or Both Are Evil deserve a good chunk of the blame. They were warned what the stakes were even by Bernie himself when he endorsed Hillary and we had the 2000 election to look at as an example.

You can't blame Bernie Bros here. We know they were nothing more than a vocal minority. Clinton's failure to appeal to the rust belt is ultimately what cost her the election.

Why? Because you chose to ignore everything else?

Is she not ultimately responsible? Her campaign was the one that bragged about a firewall of states that all voted against her.

Who deserves the biggest chunk of the blame but her and the party?

 

[CrispyBoar]

It is her fault that a politician with 30 years experience expected to be handed the election on a silver platter. She lost because she failed, not because Trump did well.

Like I said earlier, she was the wrong candidate to take on Trump.

The DNC should've been more smarter & should've looked back in 2008 where she even failed against Obama. They should've picked a better candidate who was like Obama.

 

[Chumley]

Calling people sexist sure does make them want to agree with you

I couldn't care less. His mind is made up, his worldview isn't compatible with mine.

 

[Cagey]

Then you're just as sexist as the rest of this country.

This baseless retort reflects poorly on your character. I'm sure you disagree, but you'd be wrong to do so.

 

[Regulus Tera]

America will be remembered as the country that elected him, and she will be remembered as the first woman to get the nomination of a major party. It's not her fault that 50 million people wanted to elect him.

It's her fault that she lost like ten million of the people that voted for Obama in previous elections.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Is she not ultimately responsible? Her campaign was the one that bragged about a firewall of states that all voted against her.

Who deserves the biggest chunk of the blame but her and the party?

"The buck stops at" sounds like you're saying they're the only ones to blame, not simply the biggest chunk

 

[Makonero]

Like I said earlier in another thread, she was the wrong candidate to take on Trump.

The DNC should've been more smarter & should've looked back in 2008 when she even failed against Obama. They should've picked a better candidate who was like Obama.

They set it up so Hillary was the only real choice. Sanders was a surprise, remember? O'Malley was a nonentity, a fake option to make it look like voters had a choice. They had only three debates in the primaries, while Republicans had how many?

The DNC failed because they set themselves up to fail.

 

[davepoobond]

There's an incredible amount of irony in lambasting Clinton for taking rust belt votes for granted, given that Bernie did better with them, then taking all the votes he didn't win for granted.

can't be quoted enough.

 

[Chumley]

This baseless retort reflects poorly on your character. I'm sure you disagree, but you'd be wrong to do so.

The fact that you think her losing to Trump is more important than becoming the first woman to ever be nominated reflects on yours too.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Everything was an issue, not just the emails, because the GOP propaganda, FBI interference, Russian hacking, and sexism all worked. And she still got the popular vote. Yet we're all here tearing her down instead of admiring how far a woman was able to get.

History will remember her as the woman who got so far only to lose with a failure of a campaign to a walking, talking Nacho-Cheese Dorito.

Of course she's getting torn down, she and her entire staff deserve it. You don't get to do this:

Some of us have been discussing this in the Introspection thread, here's some more of Hillary and her teams arrogance on display

Last year, a prominent group of supporters asked Hillary Clinton to address a prestigious St. Patrick’s Day gathering at the University of Notre Dame, an invitation that previous presidential candidates had jumped on.

Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden Jr. had each addressed the group, and former President Bill Clinton was eager for his wife to attend. But Mrs. Clinton’s campaign refused, explaining to the organizers that white Catholics were not the audience she needed to spend time reaching out to.

And she ceded the white working-class voters who backed Mr. Clinton in 1992. Though she would never have won this demographic, her husband insisted that her campaign aides do more to try to cut into Mr. Trump’s support with these voters. They declined, reasoning that she was better off targeting college-educated suburban voters by hitting Mr. Trump on his temperament.

Former Gov. Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania also said he had encouraged campaign aides at Mrs. Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters to spread their vast resources outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and focus on rural white pockets of the state. “We had the resources to do both,” Mr. Rendell said Wednesday. “The campaign — and this was coming from Brooklyn — didn’t want to do it.” (Mr. Trump won Pennsylvania by one percentage point.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html

Here's Joe Biden from a few months ago talking about how Democrats aren't speaking to the white working class worker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3py6RVrXQ

And again late last month seemingly even more frustrated than before about the lack of attention paid to that group

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/vp-biden-we-ve-lost-touch-with-working-class-793534019849

Yeah but at the same time in september and october she did go the important states.

October

2. Charlotte, NC
3. Toledo OH and Akron, OH
4. Haverford, PA, Harrisburg, PA and McLean VA
5. Washington DC
6. New York, NY
9. St. Louis, MO
10. Detroit, MI and Columbus, OH
11. Miami, FL
12. Pueblo, CL and Las vegas, NV
13. San Francisco, CA and Los Angeles, CA
14. Seattle, WA
19. Las Vegas, NV
20. New York, NY
21. Cleveland, OH
22. Pittsburg, PA and Philadelphia, PA
23. Durham, NC, Raleigh, NC and Charlotte NC
24. Manchester, NH and New York, NY
25. Coconut Creek, FL, Miami FL and Pinecrest, FL
26. Lake Worth, Fl and Tampa, FL
27. Greensboro, NC and Winston-Salem, NC
28. Cedar Rapids, IA and Des Moines, IA
29. Daytona Beach, FL and Miami, FL
30. Fort Lauderdale, FL and Wilton Manors, FL
31. Cleveland, OH, Kent OH and Cincinnati, OH

But i guess, too little too late.

Did they freak out in the end?

November

1. Dade City, FL, Sanford, FL and Fort Lauderdale, FL
2. Las Vegas, NV and Tempe, AZ
3. Winterwille, NC and Raleigh, NC
4. Pittsburgh, PA, Detroit, MI and Cleveland, OH
5. Pembroke Pines, FL, and Philadelphia, PA
6. Philadelphia, PA, Cleveland, OH and Manchester, NH
7. Cleveland, OH, Grand Rapids, MI, Philadelphia, PA and Raleigh, NC
8. Chapaqua, NY and New York, NY

We can compare her September schedule to Obama's as well:

http://www.p2016.org/clinton/clintoncal0916.html
1 Ohio event, 0 Michigan events, 1 Pennsylvania event, 0 Wisconsin events, 15-16 days in New York
September 1 - None
September 2 - None
September 3 - None
September 4 - None
September 5 - Cleveland, OH, Hampton, IL
September 6 - Tampa, FL
September 7 - New York, NY
September 8 - Charlotte, NC, Kansas City, MO
September 9 - New York, NY
September 10 - None
September 11 - New York, NY, Chappaqua, NY
September 12 - Chappaqua, NY
September 13 - Chappaqua, NY
September 14 - Chappaqua, NY
September 15 - Greensboro, NC, Washington, DC
September 16 - Washington, DC, New York, NY
September 17 - Washington, DC
September 18 - None
September 19 - Philadelphia, PA, New York, NY
September 20 - None
September 21 - Orlando, FL
September 22 - Chappaqua, NY
September 23 - Rye Brook, NY
September 24 - Rye Brook, NY
September 25 - New York, NY, Rye Brook, NY
September 26 - Hempstead, NY
September 27 - Raleigh, NC
September 28 - Durham, NH, Boston, MA
September 29 - Des Moines, IA, Chicago, IL
September 30 - Fort Pierce, FL, Coral Springs, FL, Miami Beach, FL

Obama:
https://www2.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obamacal0908.html
3 Ohio events, 5 Michigan events, 5 Pennsylvania events, 2 Wisconsin events, 4 days in Illinois
September 1 - Detroit, MI, Monroe, MI, Milwaukee, WI
September 2 - Chicago, IL
September 3 - New Philadelphia, OH, Dillonvale, OH
September 4 - York, PA, Columbia, PA, Lancaster, PA
September 5 - Duryea, PA, Wyoming, PA, Middletown, NJ
September 6 - Terre Haute, IN
September 7 - Chicago, IL
September 8 - Flint, MI, Farmington Hills, MI
September 9 - Riverside, OH, Abingdon, VA Lebanon, VA
September 10 - Norfolk, VA, New York, NY, Washington, DC
September 11 - Harlem, NY, New York, NY
September 12 - Dover, NH, Hopkinton, NH, Concord, NH
September 13 - Manchester, NH
September 14 - Chicago, IL
September 15 - Grand Junction, CO, Pueblo, CO
September 16 - Golden, CO, Beverly Hills, CA
September 17 - Elko, NV, Las Vegas, NV
September 18 - Albuquerque, NM, Bernalillo, NM, Española, NM, Albuquerque, NM
September 19 - Coral Gables, FL
September 20 - Daytona Beach, FL, Jacksonville, FL
September 21 - Charlotte, NC
September 22 - Green Bay, WI, Chicago, IL
September 23 - Clearwater, FL
September 24 - Clearwater, FL, Dunedin, FL
September 25 - Clearwater, FL, Washington, DC
September 26 - Oxford, MS
September 27 - Greensboro, NC, Fredericksburg, VA, Washington, DC
September 28 - Detroit, MI
September 29 - Westminster, CO
September 30 - Reno, NV

You can't take that away from him. Just look at the difference. I just compared the number of listings per day according travel calendar provided a page or two back.

September:
Clinton: 0 events for 7 days, 1 event for 13 days, 2 events for 9 days, 3 events for 1 day
Trump: 0 events for 2 days, 1 event for 9 days, 2 events for 10 days, 3 events for 9 days

October:
Clinton: No info for 2 days, 0 events for 5 days, 1 event for 9 days, 2 events for 11 days, 3 events for 4 days
Trump: 0 events for 1 day, 1 event for 8 days, 2 events for 7 days, 3 events for 14 days

November:
Clinton: 0 events for 0 days, 1 event for 0 days, 2 events for 3 days, 3 events for 3 days, 4 events for 1 day
Trump: 0 events for 0 days, 1 event for 0 days, 2 events for 1 day, 3 events for 3 days, 4 events 1 day, 5 events for 2 days

Total events

September
Clinton 34
Trump 56

October
Clinton 43
Trump 64

November
Clinton 19
Trump 25

Total
Clinton 96
Trump 145

Trump talked about an enthusiasm gap and it was real.

And then whine because people are ripping you a new one.

The fact that you think her losing to Trump is more important than becoming the first woman to ever be nominated reflects on yours too.

You literally just said that you think Trump will be Hitler/Stalin 2.0. If that is true, then her becoming the first woman nominee means literally fuck-all in the face of her campaign throwing the election away and giving us Trump.

 

[AppleMIX]

For the love of god, they better actually learn something from this loss. Lord knows America will.