Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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More_Badass said:
I've said it in other threads (maybe this one?), but a vote doesnt discriminate. Your intent may be to better your life, you may not believe in those racist sexist ideals, you may not want minorites to suffer, but your vote doesn't hold such nuance. It supports all the aspects of the candidate. Your vote is basically saying even if you dont believe in the bad racist/sexist/xenophobic aspects, you're okay with them being validated and supported if the good benefits you
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I don't buy this 100% for two reasons.

1. With a balance of power in the government you can have other branches reign in radical behavior. The election wasn't for a dictator which runs all aspects of the government. So you are in effect voting for a part of the government, not the entire thing. I have a feeling many voted with this in mind. We do not have tens of millions of supporters of racism/sexism/etc. in the country. That is just not true.

2. Taking this at face value, then every American citizen that voted for either Hillary or Trump are terrible people. A vote for Clinton would support pay for play politics, enhancing personal financial gain over the safety and well being of the average citizen, sacrificing national security for convenience, etc.

I reject the concept that 100+ million of Americans who voted support every bad/controversial aspects of the candidates.
 
Flai said:
Supports Trump. Gets called a troll?

GAF is biased as hell towards Clinton and liberals, if anybody thinks otherwise they are kidding themselves.
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No one does think otherwise? GAF is a liberal leaning board and always has been.

Now the Clinton echo chamber chanting has caused a rift amongst liberals and Bernie fans, but that is currently being hashed out and aired between the left on GAF. Some feel the left is getting too authoritarian and some of the behaviour during the election may well have lead to Dems not turning out.

However pretending GAF ain't a liberal board? No one does that. If you openly support Trump/republicans you probably are going to have a rougher ride here, but be aware of that and don't break the rules and no one is simply kicking you off. Heck that diablos GAF poster is one of the biggest Trump posters and even had his tag bet honoured.
 
Audioboxer said:
No one does think otherwise? GAF is a liberal leaning board and always has been.

Now the Clinton echo chamber chanting has caused a rift amongst liberals and Bernie fans, but that is currently being hashed out and aired between the left on GAF. Some feel the left is getting too authoritarian and some of the behaviour during the election may well have lead to Dems not turning out.

However pretending GAF ain't a liberal board? No one does that. If you openly support Trump/republicans you probably are going to have a rougher ride here
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This is a problem.
 
esmith08734 said:
This is a problem.
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Not really. GAF doesn't screen signups politically so has little control over the average political view of all 170k users.

There are other sites online that tilt in different directions, but it's just a known trend in the technology sector many people favour liberalism.

I've seen plenty of bans the past 72 hours from liberal people cursing directly at board posters to know you'll catch a ban regardless of your political views.
 
Audioboxer said:
Not really. GAF doesn't screen signups politically so has little control over the average political view of all 170k users.

There are other sites online that tilt in different directions, but it's just a known trend in the technology sector many people favour liberalism.

I've seen plenty of bans the past 72 hours from liberal people cursing directly at board posters to know you'll catch a ban regardless of your political views.
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I support the lack of screening for sure but I feel the best way to converse is to have open discussions. I don't think anyone should be hesitant to voice their opinions in fear of any potential punishment or ostracizing.
 
esmith08734 said:
I support the lack of screening for sure but I feel the best way to converse is to have open discussions. I don't think anyone should be hesitant to voice their opinions in fear of any potential punishment or ostracizing.
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Discussions are pretty open though. As much as I hate Trump I've been knee deep in dissenting opinion the past week in many topics. At times to people quoting me and basically wanting to say my opinion seems like a crock of shit. There's not much wrong with that, it's up to me to deal with criticism in a way which doesn't get me banned or shunned.

It's all good if you do it respectfully and try your best to back yourself up (share arguably unpopular opinion). As I said above there did seem to be some issues with dog-piling around Hillary criticism from posters on your side, but many on GAF are currently in a state of reflection on that, as well as the whole liberal/left movement across the internet. Seeing Hillary lose is ramping up open discussion to 11 as everyone tries to wage in on why this happened. That's what I've been pretty savage about, slating the side I try to align with, which gets many people who call themselves liberal to get angry at me for going after them.

People who are republicans just have to accept their candidate was arguably the worst in most of our lifetimes, and this war of ideas wasn't really just about dem vs republican anymore, but also how much of a shit-stain Trump is. That is Trump as a person. Forget for a second he is a republican. If as your next door neighbour Trump was one of your best friends, then, well, many people would be criticising the company you hang around with without even thinking about your political views. He's not really a decent guy with some regressive views (such as ring wing abortion/religious beliefs seen by most republicans), he's just a fucking asshole full stop.
 
esmith08734 said:
I support the lack of screening for sure but I feel the best way to converse is to have open discussions. I don't think anyone should be hesitant to voice their opinions in fear of any potential punishment or ostracizing.
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They shouldn't be if they're willing to support their points. I can understand why there's a persecution complex among Republican leaning posters and then the separate group of Trump supporters. Often what I'll see is the attempt at a discussion, and it goes to hell when they let themselves be transparent or they escape when confronted with altering view points. Now, there's a pile on from some posters. That's a problem. But there's always someone willing to engage.
 
I keep wondering, what will happen, once the next mass shooting occurs while Trump is in the white house.

I'm so used to Obama, trying to talk sense to people, I just really have no idea what he'd do to address the nation.
 
Audioboxer said:
Discussions are pretty open though. As much as I hate Trump I've been knee deep in dissenting opinion the past week in many topics. At times to people quoting me and basically wanting to say my opinion seems like a crock of shit. There's not much wrong with that, it's up to me to deal with criticism in a way which doesn't get me banned or shunned.

It's all good if you do it respectfully and try your best to back yourself up (share arguably unpopular opinion). As I said above there did seem to be some issues with dog-piling around Hillary criticism from posters on your side, but many on GAF are currently in a state of reflection on that, as well as the whole liberal/left movement across the internet. Seeing Hillary lose is ramping up open discussion to 11 as everyone tries to wage in on why this happened.

People who are republicans just have to accept their candidate was arguably the worst in most of our lifetimes, and this war of ideas wasn't really just about dem vs republican anymore, but also how much of a shit-stain Trump is.
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Good write up. Thanks for that. I understand this is a difficult transition. I am right there with everyone sitting bewildered at their desks, trying to make sense of all of this. I think our energy, though, is best to be spent trying to unify Trump and Clinton supporters into one cohesive unit.
 
esmith08734 said:
Good write up. Thanks for that. I understand this is a difficult transition. I am right there with everyone sitting bewildered at their desks, trying to make sense of all of this. I think our energy, though, is best to be spent trying to unify Trump and Clinton supporters into one cohesive unit.
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That idea understandably gets blowback. When has the US ever been unified into a cohesive unit? It can't happen and will never happen. To be human is to be diverse in your way of thinking. Whenever someone comes along and tries to tell 120m voters just to all get along they're not going to do well. Forgetting the two candidates there are widely differing opinions on huge topics within both political sides such as abortion, LGBT, foreign policy, war, religion, social health care, workers rights, and so forth. Those kind of opinions naturally divide people.

Whenever someone says what you've just said either you're thought to be a bit naive. Or more often it seems like someone trying to intelligently hide their intolerance of your opinion behind a throwaway statement "lets just all get along guys!". Sure at times the sentiment behind can't we all just get along may have someones heart in the right place, but a lot of life is argued via the head, or mind. One hopes people with different opinions argue respectfully, but one is incredibly naive to ever think a whole country is just going to think alike.
 
BrokenIcarus said:
I keep wondering, what will happen, once the next mass shooting occurs while Trump is in the white house.

I'm so used to Obama, trying to talk sense to people, I just really have no idea what he'd do to address the nation.
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The teacher should have been armed, let's teach kids too and have gun lockers.
 
broncobuster said:
They shouldn't be if they're willing to support their points. I can understand why there's a persecution complex among Republican leaning posters and then the separate group of Trump supporters. Often what I'll see is the attempt at a discussion, and it goes to hell when they let themselves be transparent or they escape when confronted with altering view points. Now, there's a pile on from some posters. That's a problem. But there's always someone willing to engage.
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I agree. Conservatives should be able to articulate valid points and support their claims. I do believe that they weren't offered the stage much the last eighteen months, though. I know a lot of conservatives that do not wish to engage with liberals because they already feel judged. As a citizen that voted liberal, I can recognize that there is an elitism that unfortunately exists within the party. Immediately slanting people as racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic directly challenges the social progress that we have made the last eight years.
 
esmith08734 said:
I agree. Conservatives should be able to articulate valid points and support their claims. I do believe that they weren't offered the stage much the last eighteen months, though. I know a lot of conservatives that do not wish to engage with liberals because they already feel judged. As a citizen that voted liberal, I can recognize that there is an elitism that unfortunately exists within the party. Immediately slanting people as racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic directly challenges the social progress that we have made the last eight years.
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the republican party platform is extremely racist, sexist and bigoted. we aren't having a heated discussion over marginal tax rates. republicans are on the wrong side of every single social issue and want to deny basic human rights to millions of people for extremely ignorant and hateful reasons.

stop associating with monsters so you can have slightly lower taxes.
 
I should add that the current crop of republican leaders aren't conservative. they're regressives and neoreactionaries. hillary clinton is closer to an actual conservative. at best she's a centerist. our politics have shifted so far to the right that crazy assholes are seen as right wing and therefore conservative. but wanting to roll back all of the progress we've made on social issues and destroying the middle class in favor of a mega-rich controlled oligopoly isn't conservative. these are people who have no regard for basic human rights of anyone, especially anyone who isn't white or male. this isn't a time to pretend both sides are the same or to sit back and say you're above all the petty politics.
 
@realDonaldTrump
Wow, the @nytimes is losing thousands of subscribers because of their very poor and highly inaccurate coverage of the "Trump phenomena"


He's never going to stop "running for president"
 
gonna be such a downfall when a terrorist attack or something happens in america and instead of getting a address like obama did we will get a twitter post
 
Carl2291 said:
This has probably been posted a number of times before, but it just came up on my facebook timeline and it's really interesting to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

I'm only 20 minutes in, but this doesn't look like the same man who spoke like a rabid lunatic in the lead up to the election. This is the Trump that people think of when they say that he's the only one who could bring real change.
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Great video that does give me some hope. I watched the whole thing. His position on certain economic issues has been very consistent over the years and there is reason to believe that he is well equipped to handle them. I hope he executes.

But this does not forgive all of the horrible things he's also said regarding:

-Barack Obama's birth
-The original plan to register all Muslims
-Calling Mexicans rapists and, "I assume some of them are good people"
-Grabbing women by the pussy
-His hesitation to denounce the KKK's endorsement for days (I mean, wow)
-His stance on abortion
-His appointment of a hate group leader that is anti-LGBT as well as his selection of an anti-LGBT running mate
-His opinion of Putin and encouraging the Russians to hack us
-And most importantly (in my opinion) - his stance that climate change is a hoax/conspiracy

To me, a potential economic gains (which admittedly, may or may not be legitimately obtainable) is not worth the tradeoff of also having all of this baggage. I do not understand why we cannot have a fiscally conservative and financially sophisticated president who is socially liberal and cares about the environment. These are not inconsistent traits for actual non-politicians.

I believe in my heart that Donald Trump is not a true Republican. But it does not matter what he is on the inside. What matters are the things he says and does. And he has truly alienated our minority brothers and sisters as well as the LGBT community with his rhetoric.

My deepest hope for the Supreme Court, the last bastion of hope for liberal social issues, is Ivanka Trump, who does appear to have a good head on her shoulders. She married an orthodox Jew who's family consists of holocaust survivors and seems to hold very moderate social views. I was going to make a thread on this point, but I'm a junior so I hope someone else takes up the mantle, but: As far as I'm concerned, we need to look to her as our "true" first lady. She has the influence and the perspective to guide her father to not appoint lunatics to the Supreme Court and to get him to pay attention to climate change issues.

If democrats truly care, then they need to rally around her on issues of social progress. We need to listen to her words and approach her with policy issues as if she were the first lady.
 
Angelina said:
gonna be such a downfall when a terrorist attack or something happens in america and instead of getting a address like obama did we will get a twitter post
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He will obviously have a speech written for him to read. I'm more worried about the effort of his administration after such an event. I've seen his reaction to 9/11.
 
Kellyanne Conway out there on Meet the Press basically saying popular vote doesn't matter because of the "big states". I guess only certain votes matter.
 
partyphone said:
the republican party platform is extremely racist, sexist and bigoted. we aren't having a heated discussion over marginal tax rates. republicans are on the wrong side of every single social issue and want to deny basic human rights to millions of people for extremely ignorant and hateful reasons.

stop associating with monsters so you can have slightly lower taxes.
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partyphone said:
I should add that the current crop of republican leaders aren't conservative. they're regressives and neoreactionaries. hillary clinton is closer to an actual conservative. at best she's a centerist. our politics have shifted so far to the right that crazy assholes are seen as right wing and therefore conservative. but wanting to roll back all of the progress we've made on social issues and destroying the middle class in favor of a mega-rich controlled oligopoly isn't conservative. these are people who have no regard for basic human rights of anyone, especially anyone who isn't white or male. this isn't a time to pretend both sides are the same or to sit back and say you're above all the petty politics.
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Yup, so much on point. The center has moved so far right now.
 
transformer said:
I don't buy this 100% for two reasons.

1. With a balance of power in the government you can have other branches reign in radical behavior. The election wasn't for a dictator which runs all aspects of the government. So you are in effect voting for a part of the government, not the entire thing. I have a feeling many voted with this in mind. We do not have tens of millions of supporters of racism/sexism/etc. in the country. That is just not true.

2. Taking this at face value, then every American citizen that voted for either Hillary or Trump are terrible people. A vote for Clinton would support pay for play politics, enhancing personal financial gain over the safety and well being of the average citizen, sacrificing national security for convenience, etc.

I reject the concept that 100+ million of Americans who voted support every bad/controversial aspects of the candidates.
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Trump is a lot of bad/controversial/idiotic, FRONT AND CENTER, and he appealed heavily to the David Dukes of the world. If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas
 
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trump and farage hanging out together. Farage also making jokes in radio interview about Trump sexually assaulting a foreign leader.
it makes me physically ill to look at that photo of those two
 
Don't know if this is the right thread for it, but anyway: I remembered how Killer Mike told black people 'to threaten to stay home' for the election, then found this vid where he explains this stance. I know where he's coming from, he believes both sides are equally bad. However, even considering that, it's still encouraging a Trump win. I love Mike and everything he does, but I don't see how Hillary as president would've been just as bad as Trump. I mean Trump isn't just a ' boogeyman' like he says, he could be a bigger disaster than Bush.
 
What Donald Trump Learned From Joseph McCarthy’s Right-Hand Man

This is a good and unsettling article on Donald Trump's very close friendship with his former lawyer Roy Cohn.

Roy Cohn was known as New York's most vicious lawyer and he also represented Senator Joe McCarthy and his "McCarthyism".

There is a comically frustrating minor through-line in it however.

Basically:

Donald Trump and Roy Cohn were such good friends that Cohn didn't charge Trump for his legal services. He would say "Just pay me what you think is fair."

Of course Donald Trump didn't give him anything most of the time.

However, after one particularly successful legal battle, Donald Trump did give him diamond-encrusted Bulgari cuff links as a gift.

Roy Cohn was a gay man and Donald Trump was just one of the few to actually know that. In 1986 Cohn died of AIDS and his boyfriend/companion inherited all of his possessions.

He didn't get to keep any of it for long though because it was all repossessed due to Cohn's tax debts.

Except the cuff links however, he managed to hang onto the cuff links.

He eventually decided to get the cuff links value appraised. The verdict? Counterfeit. The diamond-encrusted Bulgari cuff links were not real.

Shameful.
 
it wasn't until Trump learned that Cohn had been diagnosed with AIDS that he decided to sever his ties with his mentor.

"Donald found out about it and just dropped him like a hot potato," Cohn's longtime secretary Susan Bell said. "It was like night and day."

Cohn was reportedly stunned by the betrayal, after all he'd done for Trump. "Donald pisses ice water," he is quoted as saying in Barrett's 1992 book about Trump.
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A little more.
 
Joe said:
What Donald Trump Learned From Joseph McCarthy’s Right-Hand Man

This is a good and unsettling article on Donald Trump's very close friendship with his former lawyer Roy Cohn.

Roy Cohn was known as New York's most vicious lawyer and he also represented Senator Joe McCarthy and his "McCarthyism".

There is a comically frustrating minor through-line in it however.

Basically:

Donald Trump and Roy Cohn were such good friends that Cohn didn't charge Trump for his legal services. He would say "Just pay me what you think is fair."

Of course Donald Trump didn't give him anything most of the time.

However, after one particularly successful legal battle, Donald Trump did give him diamond-encrusted Bulgari cuff links as a gift.

Roy Cohn was a gay man and Donald Trump was just one of the few to actually know that. In 1986 Cohn died of AIDS and his boyfriend/companion inherited all of his possessions.

He didn't get to keep any of it for long though because it was all repossessed due to Cohn's tax debts.

Except the cuff links however, he managed to hang onto the cuff links.

He eventually decided to get the cuff links value appraised. The verdict? Counterfeit. The diamond-encrusted Bulgari cuff links were not real.

Shameful.
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Wait, doesn't Charlie Sheen also have a story like this? lol.
 
I'm trying to picture the last president that was as out of shape as Donald. He's not as fat as Taft, but Taft also looked like he could pull a tree out of the ground. Donald is just pure lard.
 
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