Support NeoGAF

[Aaronrules380]

Oh, I thought it was at midnight eastern time.

It is

 

[Wensih]

So I've been in the leak thread this past week reading impressions, I thought if people are interested here's a summary of the pros and cons of Sun and Moon. I haven't played them myself, but here's some key points that may effect your purchase...

No specific spoilers but still tagging them in case you want to go in fresh...impressions on scope of plot, difficulty, Pokemon, music, graphics, and post-game

Spoiler

Plot: I've heard it has the "best plot" of a Pokemon game perhaps, with some exciting moments and such, yet at the same time this also means more linearity and pushing the player along with cutscenes. The main game is better than XY at the very least. Decent amount of classic cameos, but nothing B2W2-level.

Difficulty: I've heard the game isn't super challenging, the opponents still use less Pokemon than before, yet with the level scale system back from BW it's harder to overlevel compared to XY. At the same time the Totem Battles can be tricky with some interesting combos, the opponents now actively target weaknesses and switch, and many of the New Pokemon are on the slower side so using them means the opponent will get in an attack at least instead of you just sweeping through them.

Pokemon: Not as varied as XY, but a decent amount of classics---the New Pokemon seem to have a "Johto syndrome" where they're a bit pushed to the side in many cases with low encounter rates and such. Also they're all pretty slow, including ones who you think would be fast. Some classic Pokemon got buffs (one got a nerf), including stat upgrades and new Abilities. There's not many non-Alola Dex Pokemon available in the post-game right now, so you'll need to rely on PokeBank if you're going for 100% National Dex. There's no in-game National Dex, presumably being saved for Bank.

Music: Varied and really nice, weakness music is possibly the default battle themes but everything else is good---"best OST since Black and White".

Graphics: Frame rate still takes a dip pretty regularly, and the addition of Trainers lead presumably to the removal of Triple and Rotation as well as Hordes. Otherwise the region looks nice.

Post-game: Neat new system that makes competitive training pretty interesting and fast, though requires some set-up. Multiple Legendary Pokemon to catch and a Battle Facility that's fairly challenging. About XY-level from what I've heard. Downside is very few non-Alola Dex Pokemon to catch and not a lot of new areas that open up. Do get to rematch various major Trainers though such as Trial Captains, and use more than just 2 Pokemon like the Battle Chateau rematches in XY.

=/ None of this sounds very appealing to me.

 

[.JayZii]

It is. But it's not quite 9:30pm Eastern yet.

Pokemon fans always be stressing about the minute details.

Spoiler

It's a pun.

 

[GuitarGuruu]

It is. But it's not quite 9:30pm Eastern yet.

Now it is. 2.5 Hours y'all!

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Now it is. 2.5 Hours y'all!

i wish they would move it forward T_T

 

[Novel Mike]

I posted about Nuzlockes before and I mentioned Projared would be streaming one tomorrow at 4PM EST well Team Four Star is also doing one starting tomorrow as well.

Link

 

[renegade_dewitt]

i wish they would move it forward T_T

Thanks to Daylight Savings Time, you have to wait an additional hour than you usually have to! So technically you would only have to wait 1.5 hour now, instead of the 2.5 hours! Stinks right?

 

[Cipher Peon]

Oh and to get in the mood, I dressed in all of my skull related apparel! Team Skull has my favorite design of all of the evil teams and they are as edgy as I want everything to be c:

I haven't worn my fingerless skeleton gloves in ages... also not pictured are my bat wing boots c:

 

[Neoleo2143]

I posted about Nuzlockes before and I mentioned Projared would be streaming one tomorrow at 4PM EST well Team Four Star is also doing one starting tomorrow as well.

Link

I can't wait to see when they come up against certain Totem Pokemon, Blood will most certainly flow.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Thanks to Daylight Savings Time, you have to wait an additional hour than you usually have to! So technically you would only have to wait 1.5 hour now, instead of the 2.5 hours! Stinks right?

how awful

 

[Koppai]

Team Skull seems like comic relief to me at the moment. I love their style though so silly.

 

[Seil]

Thanks to Daylight Savings Time, you have to wait an additional hour than you usually have to! So technically you would only have to wait 1.5 hour now, instead of the 2.5 hours! Stinks right?

Actually this is the time it would be if Daylight Savings Time didn't exist. Since we're not observing it right now.

 

[Cipher Peon]

Team Skull seems like comic relief to me at the moment. I love their style though so silly.

I took them as straight as possible in the demo and from what I've seen and heard I will continue to do so in the main game C:

 

[Fireblend]

Ahhhhhm I can taste it.

 

[UberTag]

I posted about Nuzlockes before and I mentioned Projared would be streaming one tomorrow at 4PM EST well Team Four Star is also doing one starting tomorrow as well.

Link

I've got some amazing Nuzlocke run streamers in my favorites bar. Will happily share some links if they kick off runs either tonight or over the weekend. I will be SHOCKED if anyone gets through the game in one piece blind - although some may have been doing their own prep work watching leak streams in advance.

Blind Nuzlocke runs will be absolute carnage and entertaining as all heck.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Got the litten babies boomin. I guess people want eggs so I don't have to hatch em. The Taurus rodeo daycare trick is so sketchy. I worry about that circle pad so I do it slow. Def need a magby if you're gonna breed.

Edit: I love team skull. I hope they have an outfit.

 

[Skatterd]

Man...
Massive spoilers for an evolutionary line you've been warned

Spoiler

Lunala/Solgaleo's pre-evos are going to be murder on people's living dexes huh

 

[Kinsei]

Man...
Massive spoilers for an evolutionary line you've been warned

Spoiler

Lunala/Solgaleo's pre-evos are going to be murder on people's living dexes huh

Spoiler

Can you not trade them?

 

[Puruzi]

Man...
Massive spoilers for an evolutionary line you've been warned

Spoiler

Lunala/Solgaleo's pre-evos are going to be murder on people's living dexes huh

No, not really

 

[Seil]

Man...
Massive spoilers for an evolutionary line you've been warned

Spoiler

Lunala/Solgaleo's pre-evos are going to be murder on people's living dexes huh

Not a big deal if you own both games.

Spoiler

You outright catch your game's legendary and receive a Cosmog in the postgame. If you have both games you get both legendaries and two Cosmogs, enough for a living dex.

 

[UberTag]

Man...
Massive spoilers for an evolutionary line you've been warned

Spoiler

Lunala/Solgaleo's pre-evos are going to be murder on people's living dexes huh

Not especially.

Spoiler

You get a replacement Cosmog in the post-game. Just grab two each run through the game, evolve one part-way and you're set.

 

[dragonlife]

Never played XY, but do the boy and girl have an equal amount of effort put into accessories/clothing in this? I think I heard the girls were favored when it came to the fashion in XY. Anyone know if it's the same in this?

 

[Skatterd]

Not especially.

Spoiler

You get a replacement Cosmog in the post-game. Just grab two each run through the game, evolve one part-way and you're set.

Ah! Ok
That makes me feel way better lol

 

[UberTag]

Never played XY, but do the boy and girl have an equal amount of effort put into accessories/clothing in this? I think I heard the girls were favored when it came to the fashion in XY. Anyone know if it's the same in this?

Girls are still favored although both genders have more options now.
There may be some exclusive clothing and customization options locked behind Festival Plaza upgrades that haven't really been tapped into as well.

 

[Seil]

Never played XY, but do the boy and girl have an equal amount of effort put into accessories/clothing in this? I think I heard the girls were favored when it came to the fashion in XY. Anyone know if it's the same in this?

Girls have more variety again. And as far as clothing goes I preferred Gen VI's options for male characters.

 

[Puruzi]

Never played XY, but do the boy and girl have an equal amount of effort put into accessories/clothing in this? I think I heard the girls were favored when it came to the fashion in XY. Anyone know if it's the same in this?

guys have 6 hairstyles and girls have 22.

 

[kuroneko0509]

can someone link me that pokemon team planner? I saw them 1st in the leak spoiler thread but never bothered bookmarking it

 

[Seil]

guys have 6 hairstyles and girls have 22.

Really gonna count the bangs combinations as entirely different styles? lol

The male style options are boring though as is typical of male character customization x.x

 

[LotusHD]

can someone link me that pokemon team planner? I saw them 1st in the leak spoiler thread but never bothered bookmarking it

https://richi3f.github.io/pokemon-team-planner/

 

[kuroneko0509]

https://richi3f.github.io/pokemon-team-planner/

thanks

 

[dragonlife]

Girls are still favored although both genders have more options now.
There may be some exclusive clothing and customization options locked behind Festival Plaza upgrades that haven't really been tapped into as well.

Girls have more variety again. And as far as clothing goes I preferred Gen VI's options for male characters.

guys have 6 hairstyles and girls have 22.

Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can make my guy spiffy.

 

[psyfi]

I've successfully managed to stay in the dark in this game. I looked up the starter evolutions so I wouldn't end up with a dud

Spoiler

but I don't like any of them

and I heard there's no gyms now, and I saw a few of the other new pokemon, but that's about it. I'm not crazy excited as I think I'm pretty bored with the Pokémon formula, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy it and I'll keep an open mind.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

My copy of Moon just shipped!

Woooo

Was so worried there for a bit

 

[GoldStarz]

Got the litten babies boomin. I guess people want eggs so I don't have to hatch em. The Taurus rodeo daycare trick is so sketchy. I worry about that circle pad so I do it slow. Def need a magby if you're gonna breed.

Edit: I love team skull. I hope they have an outfit.

Spoiler

Magby is relatively close by so it's not too bad a wait there.

Spoiler

Also, Team Skull does have an outfit iirc

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I see Granbull has been switched to Fairy. I forget about the Pokemon sometimes. Is it any good?

 

[renegade_dewitt]

I see Granbull has been switched to Fairy. I forget about the Pokemon sometimes. Is it any good?

I don't think so. Being pure fairy can be a hindrance. For fairy type, I prefer Azumarrill or Togekiss.

 

[janoDX]

I see Granbull has been switched to Fairy. I forget about the Pokemon sometimes. Is it any good?

Cleafable just beats him hard. Get that one, or once Bank reopens, Azumarill.

 

[WooHooAlex]

Spoiler

Might have to try using Araquanid (bug/water) in my first competitive team.

Water Bubble - Decreases Fire-type move power on the Pokémon by 50%. Increases power of Water-type moves used by the Pokémon by 100% before adding STAB. Prevents Burn
+
Hydro Vortex Z-Move (160)

That combo seems ridiculous.
Only 70 base attack, but it seems pretty bulky with solid typing and 92/132 in defensive stats, so getting off a Hydro Vortex shouldn't be a problem.
Excited to try it out.

EDIT: My bad, sorry for the spoiler guys.

 

[Koppai]

Can I say how much I'm in love with Kukui and Kiawe...just saw the anime too and thump thump. #daddyissues

 

[UberTag]

I see Granbull has been switched to Fairy. I forget about the Pokemon sometimes. Is it any good?

Fairy-type pokemon are coveted as checks against the many Fighting / Dragon / Dark pokemon out there and Granbull boasts the highest physical attack out of all of them (

Spoiler

with the exception of Tapu Bulu

).

It boasts lackluster defenses and speed but it hits hard... most notably with Play Rough and the new Twinkle Tackle Z-move. Just keep it away from Poison abusers and anyone armed with Flash Cannon or Mirror Shot. Intimidate and the extra effect of Play Rough can whittle down most physical attackers. That said, Belly Drum Huge Power Azumarill is still preferred... and IS available via Island Scanner. It just isn't VGC-viable. Clefable is, though. And most of its checks aren't around any more.

 

[renegade_dewitt]

Spoiler

Might have to try using Araquanid (bug/water) in my first competitive team.

Water Bubble - Decreases Fire-type move power on the Pokémon by 50%. Increases power of Water-type moves used by the Pokémon by 100% before adding STAB. Prevents Burn
+
Hydro Vortex Z-Move (160)

That combo seems ridiculous.
Only 70 base attack, but it seems pretty bulky with great typing and 92/132 defensive stats, so getting off a Hydro Vortex shouldn't be a problem.
Excited to try it out.

Could you put the above text in spoilers please? I don't think this pokemon has been revealed yet and some of us don't want to be spoiled.

Thanks!

 

[entremet]

Any hard mode like B2W2?

No idea why GF abandoned that awesome feature. Although the way to unlock was beyond dumb.

 

[renegade_dewitt]

Any hard mode like B2W2?

No idea why GF abandoned that awesome feature. Although the way to unlock was beyond dumb.

Don't think so, gotta do a Nuzlocke or its many variants if you want a challenge...

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I don't think so. Being pure fairy can be a hindrance. For fairy type, I prefer Azumarrill or Togekiss.

Cleafable just beats him hard. Get that one, or once Bank reopens, Azumarill.

Fairy-type pokemon are coveted as checks against the many Fighting / Dragon / Dark pokemon out there and Granbull boasts the highest physical attack out of all of them (

Spoiler

with the exception of Tapu Bulu

).

It boasts lackluster defenses and speed but it hits hard... most notably with Play Rough and the new Twinkle Tackle Z-move. Just keep it away from Poison abusers and anyone armed with Flash Cannon or Mirror Shot. Intimidate and the extra effect of Play Rough can whittle down most physical attackers. That said, Belly Drum Azumarill is still preferred... and IS available via Island Scanner. It just isn't VGC-viable. Clefairy is, though.

Hmm, interesting.

Did they make it Fairy just because it's pink?

 

[Seil]

Hmm, interesting.

Did they make it Fairy just because it's pink?

The Snubbul line has always been classified as a "Fairy Pokemon" like Clefairy.

 

[UberTag]

Hmm, interesting.

Did they make it Fairy just because it's pink?

Lickilicky wishes it received similar treatment.

 

[That Damn Kid]

Did anyone else order these games from Toys R Us when the two were $51 total a couple weeks ago? Might have been a glitch but so far no cancellation. They haven't been shipped yet, but that may be because I did the free/slowest shipping.

 

[renegade_dewitt]

Hmm, interesting.

Did they make it Fairy just because it's pink?

I think Granbull was a normal type before the conversion, and if so, then that is why it is now a Fairy type. Almost all normal types became Fairy types as of XY, so that is why Granbull is a fairy type.

 

[Marz]

Found my planned team, wont be able to het the game til wednesday though

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Braving the stores with my chums to hope we all snag a copy

Currently fully hyped and in launch position

Let's go