So uh what does the same chip running Doom 3 at 1080p (vs the 360's 720p) at a higher framerate while being hampered by android's horrible gaming performance mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je7-Ot4zyf0
Take Two CEO "Nintendo is making a 'great effort' to support 3rd parties on Switch"
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So uh what does the same chip running Doom 3 at 1080p (vs the 360's 720p) at a higher framerate while being hampered by android's horrible gaming performance mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je7-Ot4zyf0
ElRenoRaven
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Yea this is the same song and dance we've heard for generations now. They always say the same shit every Nintendo launch. Then they throw 1 or 2 shovelware games out which of course don't sell and then they abandon the console. Same thing will happen this time too.
James Scott
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Rise of the Tomb Raider has a Xbox 360 port
brochiller
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On mobile now but we can start with the simple fact that Tegras have never had the advantage of using active cooling allowing for increased performance and the fact that they've traditionally been on Android which is the most poorly optimized widely adopted OS in existence. The direct access to the silicon alone will give games dramatically increased performance over what a Tegra could do in a comparable Android device.
I'd argue that the reason we're hearing optimism from these guys is because Nintendo did do something to convince them.
Well firstly Doom 3 BFG Edition was a re-release and runs at 60fps on the 360 also. But my point, ultimately, is that the Switch's level of performance will likely be closer to the 360 than the Xbox One, and that will restrict the ports it gets.
Haha yeah, of all the Xbox One games I could have picked to make my point that was a bad one. But that was also a port that required a whole other developer working on it. It seems like we're at a point where developers have largely abandoned their last-gen efforts, which means that signifcant resouces would have to be devoted for the Switch to get games like Watch Dogs 2, Red Dead Redemption 2, Battlefield 1, Mafia 3 (etc), and considering that there's already more powerful mass market technology (the PS4 Pro, and the Scorpio on the horizon) I just don't see it happening.
I hadn't considered the Android operating system impeding the performance of the Nvidia Shield TV's performance. Fair point.
Astral Dog
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I still fear third party support will be much worse than 3DS, that one had a strong push from japanese developers at the very least. And its one of the reason 3DS is so liked
Voysa Reezun
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Honest to God, I would buy GTAV for a third time if it were on Switch.
Full price, even.
Full price, even.
Anyone involved more or less with the Switch said that most games won't have much problems running on the console. Now, we don't know if it means huge downgrades or not, but we're far from a "PS3 Pro".
Triple dip? Hell I just might
Sounds nice, but I've heard it before. I guarantee you they're going to hedge their bets until they see promising hardware sales. At best, they'll make one game (probably a port) early on, and their Switch strategy from there forward will live or die based on the performance of that game, regardless of whether it was a quality port or not.
Astral Dog
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Yeah, dont expect third party AAA open Worlds on the Switch, no matter how impressive it is as a portable.
On the plus side game downloads and load screens will keep controlled.
James Scott
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Again, I don't expect all PS4 ports to work well on Switch, but the rumored hardware is fairly capable.
The hardware's more modern feature set allows it to run UE4 well enough that it's officially supported unlike Wii U.
It's also not using stock android which is a resource hog and it's not the X1 that's in the Shield you're comparing it to.
I feel it'll get fewer exclusive third party games but more games overall.
3DS, despite its large installbase, couldn't run many indie games. As a result most skipped the platform. I can see indies jumping on board as well as getting a lot of japanese multiplats.
If I had to choose between the two, I'd take the one that has more selling power.
Ergo, Skyrim.
Astral Dog
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I think the point is to expect some of that third party goodness they get on their handhelds to rub on Switch, instead of the contrary :S
Fair enough. I'm out of my depth with the technical talk, I'm just speaking based on how I've seen technology advance in the past. The NX being capable of playing Xbox One games, without downgrades that would require significant development resources, doesn't seem feasbile to me. But everything's rumour and speculation now, so it's probably not worth debating hearsay.
thisisvlad
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As I've repeated many times, there's no magic to third party support, it's literally:
[cost of doing business] < [revenue from doing business]
With the difference being the desired margin.
So, many of us assumed that Nintendo was actively working on the left-side of the equation (aka making it easier to develop/market/sell on their platforms.) The leading indicator was the development portal redesign, now we are seeing some more leading indicators from positive third party development anecdotes.
[cost of doing business] < [revenue from doing business]
With the difference being the desired margin.
So, many of us assumed that Nintendo was actively working on the left-side of the equation (aka making it easier to develop/market/sell on their platforms.) The leading indicator was the development portal redesign, now we are seeing some more leading indicators from positive third party development anecdotes.
Anyone buying that line deserved to see it turn out that way. That publisher hasn't done shit on nintendo worth mentioning since like ever and certainly not a single 3d based nintendo console.
SolidSnakex
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Sure, but what people are looking at is that the Bethesda game "confirmed" for the Switch is one that was released five years ago for last generation consoles. They just released FO4, which is designed specifically for current-gen hardware. So, is that a sign or are they just picking the game was had the better reception and sales?
Astral Dog
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Lets hope so for the sake of the market, Switch seems like a very interesting product would be a shame it ends like Vita or Wii U
It's not like Fallout 4 is visually a killer either. And it's the remastered version of Skyrim, which was not possible on consoles from five years ago.
They just picked what made the most sense.
I loved the SSX games...as well as NASCAR on the Cube.
j0hnnix
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This is a good point, and what others are mentioning. While Skyrim is a great game it's old.. Even with the remaster. Why not choose their more recent flagship.. It worries me to see this third party support and everyone jumps but the support dissipates. I understand it's a Nintendo console and Nintendo games are the primary reason but third party support does help a system last. I can't comment on the Wii, that was just perfect timing and innovative - perfect storm.
Schnozberry
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Lets not get carried away.
GTA V ran on the previous gen consoles, so I don't see why it couldn't run on the Switch if they wanted to make another port. It should be several times more powerful than those machines.
In that case wouldn't a simple "We don't want to/cannot talk about the Nintendo Switch at this time," do?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Dude seriously hahaha fucking dude. You picked the worst possible game for this example. The absolute worst. Rise of the tomb raider is a Xbox 360 game. Yes a competent port exists of it. So no shit it could on it.
But their more recent flagship is Skyrim. Fallout 4 released more than a year ago. Why would people buy a port from a game a year and a half old ? At least Skyrim will only be a few months old when the game will release on Switch.
You're really looking way too hard on this. Skyrim was the best and most logical choice.
MisterHero
Super Member
GTAV still isn't too late.
If R* is really going to add the 2 other cities to GTAO, it can be part of the Switch release, whenever that would hypothetically be.
I think because it was recognizable and the most recent release from them. Sure the core game is old, but the Special Edition is new.
eighty(one)
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That wasn't a comment about the quality rather the sales. EA has never been big on a single nintendo platform except the SNES, even that is highly debateable.
Pathetic only describes both EA and Nintendo on nintendo platforms.
Skittzo0413
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Yeah this is very true, and that's what I'm seeing too. A lot of this will likely have to do with Nvidia having a hand in the development tools and software. Nvidia has a lot of experience with most third parties in optimizing PC ports of multiplats, so utilizing their experience and IP in that way will greatly lower the monetary barrier to third party ports.
Some other people have said- it's like Nintendo is going third party on an Nvidia console, and one of the benefits of that is most definitely going to be third party relations.
Bethesda historically has been much, much worse in that area. And look where we are now.
j0hnnix
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I agree with that. It was also probably being remastered for the switch during the Xbox and PS4 editions.
Pancakes R Us
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This. Thank you and goodnight.
Just wait until their games don't sell and they stop bothering. Give it 12 months or so, if that.
Just_myles
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I kind of feel like I hear that a lot each time Nintendo releases new hardware. I will say it definitely rings true for the DS line.
In fairness, that was pretty unprecedented.
wouldn't we all
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Nintendo probably begged them for Skyrim.
Come back to me when Nintendo gets contemporary Bethesda titles. I'm not even talking DOOM or Dishonored 2. Lets see if Prey makes it to Switch.
In order for that to be true bethesda would actually have to put out stuff on nitnendo consoles first. I'm not knocking down 3rd parties coming around as bethesda and take two are as this is a huge step up in the 3rd party department for me. Just if someone gives me a moment to shit on EA with nintendo platforms I will. Dice alone and how they feel about switch will speak volumes considering they wanted to like WiiU before the CPU just proved to be too weak for their games.
I'm also with bronetta about ports and what types. Considering the low end shit that can already run doom3, I see no reason why a switch can't especially with a vulkan like api and less bloat to deal with than a typical laptop or pc has because of windows. Doom 3 at 30fps 720p with enhancement is very doable on switch. FPS performance in the video is worse due to recording,
Didn't Tiger Woods on the Wii do quite well for them? Same with The Godfather: Blackhand Edition?
That's just last gen. This has happened for every console they have manufactured after the NES.
Buy it expecting "great" third party support and you will get burned
BleedOrange
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With the maturity of PC gaming and the introduction of half-step systems this gen most third-parties are going to get very good at making their games scale with hardware. I think the Switch will comfortably exist at the very low end of that scalability.