I think the game is a mess and has a lot of issues. I'm playing it but might wait for some patches. And i'm not even talking about frame pacing issues.
And what i do with my money and time is basically my problem.
FFXV's future updates adjust chapters, add cutscenes, add playable characters, more
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I think the game is a mess and has a lot of issues. I'm playing it but might wait for some patches. And i'm not even talking about frame pacing issues.
And what i do with my money and time is basically my problem.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I'm in Chapter 3. I've done just about every side quest and most of the low level hunts. Should I take a break for some patches? I'm loving the game, and not angry about any of this. I just want to get the most out of my first playthrough.
Plus, I still have plenty of games to play, if I decide to step back from FF15.
Plus, I still have plenty of games to play, if I decide to step back from FF15.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
If you're only going to play it once I can't see why you wouldn't wait
AkirraKrylon
Member
Just keep playing. The patch is going to add side story fluff/flavor to enhance the replay-ability. Your initial experience won't be harmed if you play it without future patch updates.
Posts/questions like this are why people saying the game is "incomplete" right now are bullshit. Literally causing other people to pause and question if they should continue when the future patches are not going to drastically change the game.
I would do whatever you want to do. I doubt the new scenes are going to be put into the game soon.
I would say the game is still worth playing without the scenes.
Plus you can still beat the game and do the end game content. I don't see any of that changing.
Edgy.
CrichtonKicks
Member
I just want them to add some more lines so I dont hear the same thing about my fishing line breaking every 5 minutes or the same compliment of every one of Prompto's photos
This is the stuff that makes me actively mad.
Story has long been a huge focus for Final Fantasy but you can't put in a few cutscenes to provide appropriate context and motivation but you can painstakingly model tons of food dishes in 3D? You can write, voice, and capture cutscenes for minor hunts and sidequests? And you can make an entire 2 hour movie of gorgeous CG that is mainly used as a promotional tool external to the game?
Hell they couldn't even put in a rudimentary codex or bestiary!
I would honestly be more forgiving if the rest of the game was as unfinished as the story stuff. As it is it just feels like their priorities and management was totally and completely out of whack.
Audioboxer
Member
Modern day Square when it comes to FF. Always trying to be style, have zero substance. Heck I'm enjoying WoFF more so far.
In a few months we'll have our lord and saviour Persona 5, which will bring style AND substance.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Same here I'm on Chapter 2 and what a bore fest, hope it picks up and fast.
Plus all these gm/story patches post release makes no sense to advance really.
Reminds me of the mistakes the original FF14 made of dedicating a ton of resources and time to mundane things no player really cared about...
That team learned their lesson to spread that talent out a bit and focus instead on the things that actually mattered.
Yes it is, but it's time spent on something absolutely insignificant is the point. Priorities weren't exactly where they needed to be, one could say. The simple omission of being able to complete hunts/quests in multiples is only one example.
Audioboxer
Member
Yeah that is some whack design. One can only think it is to artificially pump the length by having you run around forever, or deal with the janky car/fast travel to camps shit. It's like some mess pumped through a PS3 era Ubisoft open world generator.
All style and graphics, meh substance and shitty mechanics. Even the gameplay, it's like yeah its decent improvement for FF, but other games have done shit like this well before now. Heck the frickin Tales of Series has had active battles for goodness knows how long.
Mister Megative
Banned
Nail on the head.
Uhh, no. Any additions to story are not "fluff" or "flavor" because the game is currently in desperate need of understandable, fleshed-out story. Additions aren't going to make the game more fun to play a second time, they'll make the game make more sense the first time around.
If I was someone who hadn't played through FFXV yet, I would 100% wait for this stuff to hit to do so.
CrichtonKicks
Member
They didn't even bother to update the map with all known quests. As-is, the only way to if you have a quest near your location is to cycle through your quest list.
The amount of oversights in the game are just baffling.
Mister Megative
Banned
Not really though.
FalsettoVibe
Member
At this rate there will be a re-release.
Some GOTY edition i guess.
Audioboxer
Member
PapaEmeritus
Member
Seriously increase the font size, thats all I want, I can't read the damn font across the living room.
That was the joke. I can be cynical too.
AkirraKrylon
Member
Ravus's story, while kind of important, is not pivotal to the main plot of the game. Ravus could not exist at all and the story would still be the same. It's about Ardyn and Noctis, and their origins.
So no it doesn't have an enormous impact.
Edit: Now if the update adds a ton of scenes about Ardyn and his story, that is a different scenario altogether. THAT would warrant waiting. But I really doubt that is what we are getting here.
It makes me sad too. I wish games were better written.
But FF is just... Guardian Forces made us forget? Mothers are strong, Pulse and L'Cie or whatever? The disjointed narrative of FFXII? Do we even need to discuss FFVII's writing?
Final Fantasy writing just either translates extremely poorly for English listeners, or they have needed to hire new writers since like twenty years ago.
Mister Megative
Banned
You're not going to get playable female characters in the campaign.
SilverArrow20XX
Walks in the Light of the Crystal
Well, I'm certainly not waiting until the patch to finish. I'm going pretty slowly. Still in Chapter 3, 30 hours in, but I doubt the patch will be ready before I'm ready to finish. If New Game+ is being added anyway, then replaying just the main story for the extra scenes won't take long anyway.
iAmMaximus
Member
I'm only a few hours into the game...should I wait until the patch?
It absolutely shows this when equipping.
Buying you have to compare it yourself, yeah, they only show the values of the currently equipped ones and the one you're about to buy.
CrichtonKicks
Member
People are focusing too much on Ravus. That was only used as an example. Tabata's message talks about new story content throughout the second half of the game.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Bait.
I don't need to. The "worst" I've done is present differing opinion in the face of hyperbole, ie:
"This combat is terrible"
"It's my favourite in the series"
"Terrible game, embarrassingly so"
"It's my goty and top five FF"
Feel free to show where my posts are problematic in the way you're suggesting though, always open to productive adivce.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
All those comments from him about upcoming patches and not one word about the PS4 Pro patch that's supposed to be coming this month?
I mean, the game is whatever it is, it's great they decided to go back and fix it.
And at the end of the day, we'll have a pretty solid game and story ! All good in my book.
They definitely had no more budget to go on. It's not like they decided to get an unfinished game out.
It was this or nothing at this point. And no, nothing wouldn't have been better, millions of people did love FFXV even in its broken state.
So hopefully it gets better, looking forward to this.
They really need to fix the camera as TOP priority tbh .
"What happened to Ravus ?" LMFAO at this though, like come on.
And at the end of the day, we'll have a pretty solid game and story ! All good in my book.
They definitely had no more budget to go on. It's not like they decided to get an unfinished game out.
It was this or nothing at this point. And no, nothing wouldn't have been better, millions of people did love FFXV even in its broken state.
So hopefully it gets better, looking forward to this.
They really need to fix the camera as TOP priority tbh .
"What happened to Ravus ?" LMFAO at this though, like come on.
A good story isn't always about the main scenario.
Majora's Mask's main plot is just "stop the moon from falling". Everything else is technically optional, but it's the heart and soul of that game. The townspeople ARE the story, and both Majora and the moon are merely the excuse to get to know them.
Just like Mass Effect 2's main plot - save the colonies from the Collectors - is pretty weak, but it's carried by some of the greatest character-driven quests and missions in the entire video game medium. The characters may not be the "main" heroes or villains, but they're so compelling that they absolutely are the most essential part of the experience.
Final Fantasy's world outside of Noctis and the main plot definitely suffers, rather frequently at time. Just because a story beat isn't about them doesn't mean it's inconsequential or unimportant.
brandonh83
Banned
Game writing mostly sucks but I can still enjoy the stories. The translation also leaves a lot to be desired. If it's fun and I'm into the characters/struggle that works for me. FFXV has a very haphazard story but I like the characters and have been interested in how it all plays out; that doesn't make it "good" but I can enjoy it for what it is.
And then you have stories that are absolutely brilliant like Silent Hill 2 that also don't have great dialogue but the themes and pacing are great. Hell if they could just learn how to pace stories that'd go a long way. It's what keeps Naughty Dog's games back IMO.
Well that sucks....
Audioboxer
Member
Bruh, gimme some sweet Eurojank over this bastardized JapanwesterneseRPG. Everyone enjoys the sarcastic asshole main protagonists us Europeans love to put in our RPGs. More charisma than Lightning, that is for certain. Noctis so far seems pretty fucking dull as well.
I literally just started playing today and managed to warp myself into a building I couldn't get out of on the first damn mission.
Assuming I knock off all the sidequests, how long would it generally take to hit this "trouble spot?" Are they revamping anything before Chapter 13? I have Watch Dogs 2 on the backburner, so could easily wait out this patch.
Assuming I knock off all the sidequests, how long would it generally take to hit this "trouble spot?" Are they revamping anything before Chapter 13? I have Watch Dogs 2 on the backburner, so could easily wait out this patch.
CrichtonKicks
Member
FF games used to be really dense. A lot happened. They felt like true epics.
It's kind of sad that a game that is so focused on "Journey" has what feels like the smallest journey in the series in some time.
It's kind of sad that a game that is so focused on "Journey" has what feels like the smallest journey in the series in some time.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Ugh. So true.
AkirraKrylon
Member
Well, after reading responses like this I can see the flip side of the argument. And I get it. Definitely not the ideal situation, and you are especially right Garlador - these characters do put everything in context and bring the whole world/story to life, so I agree with you. Edit: Just want to clarify that I was initially arguing that the main plot points won't change, just other points will be given more detail. Some other people are implying that the story will just suddenly be something different after these updates and my primary point is that no it will not.
That being said, at this point it's either leave the game as is or get the update and enjoy the game again with more detail. I'll take the latter, although I understand the argument that it should have been there in the first place.
I blame the management, and probably the immense pressure from top tier SE executives saying "just release it already. It needs to go out. When does it need to release? Yesterday, that's when. You're done, polish and release." is probably how it went.
CrichtonKicks
Member
I don't know how much I blame corporate- the beginning of the game is a mess too. The game gives you zero context for the world, politics, etc. Why is Noct traveling with so little fanfare to a major state wedding? Why is he going to Altissa? What is Altissa and where is it? Etc.
Yet they have been publicly iterating on these opening areas for years. We've seen the evolution since the Duscae demo almost 2 years ago. All the time refining those first couple of sections and no one on the team ever figured out that they should properly introduce things to people? Set the stakes properly?
I mean if there was one thing you could always depend on with Final Fantasy, it's a kick ass opening that sets things off strong. Even FF13 did that.
WordsintheWater
Member
Why do you keep mentioning Ravus? They mentioned that as an example, they never said that that's all that they will be adding.
Edit: NVM someone mentioned it to you already
They should rework the entire newspaper scene. Instead of learning from a newspaper, the boys are eating dinner at Galdin (before they go to sleep). From they sky they see lights beaming and they wonder what it is, then those huge airships come in and they notice they're all heading towards Insomnia. They rush over there but Cor stops them, since it's pretty dumb that Cor is not in Kingsglaive so we have no idea what he was doing during the event. Would makes sense if Regis sent Cor to look after Noct and make sure he doesn't come back in. It makes it more impactful. It all happens at night so you get a light show, and it doesn't change the scenario all that much.