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[Ruff]

If i hear Noctis say "Cake baby" one more time....

They didn't though and people need to stop saying it.

And if people actually think Prompto is a MT I can't even. Hes just from Niflheim. That's it.

"So those MT's, they have these code prints, just like I do. Turns out, I'm one of them"

I dunno man, seems pretty on the wall to me.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

They didn't though and people need to stop saying it.

And if people actually think Prompto is a MT I can't even. Hes just from Niflheim. That's it.

The problem is the Verstael connection and the fact that Prompto flat out says: "I'm an MT"

 

[Audible Phonetics]

I saw it as a power of friendship moment: everyone Noctis cares about is with him in spirit.


See my edit above: I don't think that's the afterlife. It looks exactly like where Bahamut was talking to Noctis. Even if it is the afterlife, I still think it's a symbolic thing.


Yeah

Depends on if you consider it symbolism or literal. Could be Noct thinking about them or they're with him literally. I assume the former cuz I've seen that in anime before.

The bros survived a battle against a army of daemons on chapter 13 to die against some Iron giants?

And the battle against Ardyn looked to be inside the crystal and not the afterworld, like Cloud vs Sephirot inside Cloud's mind

They didn't though and people need to stop saying it.

And if people actually think Prompto is a MT I can't even. Hes just from Niflheim. That's it.

That camp fire scene is much more touching knowing they were going to sacrifice themselves to save the world.
The Bros weren't the first to sacrifice for the king, several did throughout the game.

If it was figurative, right after the Bro's slashed Ardyn, why were the King's appearing? Was that figurative too?

It falls much more in line that they stuck together right down to the end.

 

[GunBR]

XV's ending would be great for a different game that actually had a competently built up story. As it is, it feels a bit undeserved with its emotion manipulation. The Luna and Noctis Titanic ending was especially not well earned by their relationship in the game. It doesn't come close to FFX's great tear-jerker of an ending that's for sure.

Yeah, the problem with the last scene is that you need to believe that Noctis and Luna are in love with each other, but the game barely show this

But I still think that the camping scene is perfect, because you saw the relationship between Noct and the bros during 40+ hours

 

[LiK]

That camp fire scene is much more touching knowing they were going to sacrifice themselves to save the world.
The Bros weren't the first to sacrifice for the king, several did throughout the game.

If it was figurative, right after the Bro's slashed Ardyn, why were the King's appearing? Was that figurative too?

It falls much more in line that the stuck together right down to the end.

That's right, it's all ambiguous at this point unless the devs clarify it themselves. I like that we have our own feelings on what happens. People can believe if that they're dead and I'm fine with that. I'll believe they're still alive and helping people recover.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

That camp fire scene is much more touching knowing they were going to sacrifice themselves to save the world.
The Bros weren't the first to sacrifice for the king, several did throughout the game.

If it was figurative, right after the Bro's slashed Ardyn, why were the King's appearing? Was that figurative too?

It falls much more in line that they stuck together right down to the end.

I'll just quote myself from a few pages back on why I disagree:

Some people think the bros are dead, but I think their presence in the last scene was a power of friendship moment. Otherwise, Noct's line of "leaving the world to them" (paraphrased) loses value, as does the campfire scene, which is made doubly sad if his bros continue to live without him.

Although, it's not 100% clear either way.

 

[Celeras]

The problem is the Verstael connection and the fact that Prompto flat out says: "I'm an MT"

No he doesn't. He says he's 'one of them'. Meaning from Niflheim. And in the Japanese VA, he flat out states it and there is no cause for confusion.

People just like running with this stuff I guess. I've heard people say the campfire scene is the after life when it is quite clearly BEFORE the final battle when Noct tells the bros he has to die to save everyone.

 

[GunBR]

All these questions about the game and even the doubt about the bros fate made me think how we really need an a Ultimania for this game
Something like the Xenogears one

 

[herminihildo]

If the bros died they would have been in the throne room at the end, curled up on the stairs or dozing at the foot of the throne, or something.
You can't tell me that after everything they'd been through and the final campfire scene that Noctis wouldn't have the bros in his dream world if they were available.

There's just no way.

And Noctis asks for a photo to take with him because he's not expecting the bros to be following behind him, so to speak. He's expecting to be the only one that dies that day.
Also, the "I leave it to you" line. I assume he means the remnants of the kingdom and its people, not simply holding off a few Iron Giants for maybe 10 minutes and dying in the process.
Glad, Iggy and Prompto get described in World of Ruin as top-class Hunters who have spent 10 years often working as loners. They didn't fall to 2 Iron Giants with the three of them fighting together.

This. This is what really got me in the limbo on the fate of the bros. All the dialogue between the bros implies that they will (or they have to) survive. But the cutscene after implies that they died.

And after reading a couple of pages back I'm still not fully convinced.

The complaint I have in the ending was the dawn cutscene. I was hoping to see some people at the end seeing daylight. Even Hammerhead is empty. It felt like one of those tech demo they showed in their ATR.

I was disappointed especially after that fantastic campfire scene.

 

[LiK]

No he doesn't. He says he's 'one of them'. Meaning from Niflheim. And in the Japanese VA, he flat out states it and there is no cause for confusion.

People just like running with this stuff I guess. I've heard people say the campfire scene is the after life when it is quite clearly BEFORE the final battle when Noct tells the bros he has to die to save everyone.

Yea, it's just a flashback to reveal that right before the final battle, Noct admitted how much he cares about them.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Whoaaaaaa, hold on there; you've been around long enough to know when I drop the caps I'm generally not being super serious and looking to elicit a sensible chuckle or two.

I thought the ending worked fine. Sunrise after 10 years of darkness was kinda powerful (even if green vegetation doesn't quite make sense from a real-life perspective), and who can say no to using the FF main theme as wedding music?

I didnt take you seriously, I was just using your post as a cast off since its what caused my line of thinking there.

 

[Ruff]

The bros probably lost the use of their phantom weapons when noctis died. I hope they weren't mid battle :L

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I swear I remember Prompto saying that the reason he could open doors was that he was an MT. I even remember thinking it made no sense.

Maybe I need to replay Chapter 13...

Spoiler

after the patch though

 

[LiK]

I swear I remember Prompto saying that the reason he could open doors was that he was an MT. I even remember thinking it made no sense.

Maybe I need to replay Chapter 13...

Spoiler

after the patch though

or watch a LP cuz i ain't going back into that prepatch lol

 

[Audible Phonetics]

That's right, it's all ambiguous at this point unless the devs clarify it themselves. I like that we have our own feelings on what happens. People can believe if that they're dead and I'm fine with that. I'll believe they're still alive and helping people recover.

I'll just quote myself from a few pages back on why I disagree:



Although, it's not 100% clear either way.

Interesting I could see if that way too.

In that final scene Ardyn did look surprised to see them there. Totally had a wtf look on his face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkiDf294mM

watch from 18:00

Whole reason I didn't think it was figurative is because Ardyn saw them after just seeing Noct by himself.

 

[Mailbox]

I swear I remember Prompto saying that the reason he could open doors was that he was an MT. I even remember thinking it made no sense.

Maybe I need to replay Chapter 13...

Spoiler

after the patch though

Honestly I think that's gonna be discussed in the dlc. When you rescue prompto, he talks about how it's nice to finally hear he was him and not a fake.(we can assume this is about ardyn and the train, but the term "finally" seems to suggest that he has been contemplating his existence beyond just a friend mistaking him for someone else) The theory that he's a clone could very well turn out to be true. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[batman2million]

Man, what a god damn let down this game was. I don't even know where to start on how disappointed I am with this. I didn't even have that high of expectations.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I swear I remember Prompto saying that the reason he could open doors was that he was an MT. I even remember thinking it made no sense.

Maybe I need to replay Chapter 13...

Spoiler

after the patch though

You're right---he is an MT, and he could open because of bar codes on his wrists. He always wears gloves to cover them up.

 

[Foffy]

The bros survived a battle against a army of daemons on chapter 13 to die against some Iron giants?

And the battle against Ardyn looked to be inside the crystal and not the afterworld, like Cloud vs Sephirot inside Cloud's mind

Well, you can assume they died as they depended upon Noctis for their weapons, and when he went poof to fight Ardyn, so too went their powers.

Assuming of course that they did die and it wasn't symbolism, as they don't help lead final blows.

 

[JJShadow]

Reposting for new page. A couple of questions regarding Ardyn:

- So according to the game, 2000 years ago Ardyn was chosen by the Gods to save Eos from the Starscourge by absorbing him to himself, something that make him become a demon himself and immortal. In the present, Luna as an Oracle has basically the same "job" as Ardyn, heal people affected by the plague, but every time she does this, she become more and more sick. So, why one of them become a demon/immortal and the other one just get sicker and sicker if both of them are doing the same?

- Who is exactly this Izunia guy? According to the game, Ardyn became so "dark" and mad due to the Starscourge that the Gods denied him the throne and the Ascension, and gave it to Izuna. Was Izuna somehow related to Ardyn? Or was just a different family? If that's the case, the line of succesion would be messed up as Noctis' family are not the "real" Lucis Caelum family

 

[hamchan]

If Prompto's dark secret was just being from Nifelheim then that's not a big deal at all. The empire seemingly controls like 9/10th of the world, they've probably seen and met plenty of imperials in their lives, turns out they're just normal people like everyone else so who cares.

Now Prompto being an advanced form of MT sounds like a proper FF twist to me.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

Well, you can assume they died as they depended upon Noctis for their weapons, and when he went poof to fight Ardyn, so too went their powers.

Assuming of course that they did die and it wasn't symbolism, as they don't help lead final blows.

They fought for 10 years without Noctis so if that was a limitation pre time skip then it isn't one post.

 

[Mailbox]

Reposting for new page. A couple of questions regarding Ardyn:

- So according to the game, 2000 years ago Ardyn was chosen by the Gods to save Eos from the Starscourge by absorbing him to himself, something that make him become a demon himself and immortal. In the present, Luna as an Oracle has basically the same "job" as Ardyn, heal people affected by the plague, but every time she does this, she become more and more sick. So, why one of them become a demon/immortal and the other one just get sicker and sicker if both of them are doing the same?

- Who is exactly this Izunia guy? According to the game, Ardyn became so "dark" and mad due to the Starscourge that the Gods denied him the throne and the Ascension, and gave it to Izuna. Was Izuna somehow related to Ardyn? Or was just a different family? If that's the case, the line of succesion would be messed up as Noctis' family are not the "real" Lucis Caelum family

1: Ardyn wasn't "chosen" really. He was just able to absorb daemons. Luna expels them, she doesn't absorb them. It should also be noted that the oracle is more about "blessing" than absorbing. The havens you visit are blessed by the oracle so daemons don't attack there. Luna didn't get sicker from lifting the scourge, she gets sicker as she does more covenants.

2: Izunia seems to be the original name of Noctis' ancestors. They took the "saviour"'s name and then shunned the saviour (ardyn) along with the gods.

 

[Foffy]

They fought for 10 years without Noctis so if that was a limitation pre time skip then it isn't one post.

But he wasn't dead, though. He was in the crystal.

 

[Yoshichan]

I feel so empty guys...

 

[LiK]

I feel so empty guys...

buy the Season Pass.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Reposting for new page. A couple of questions regarding Ardyn:

- So according to the game, 2000 years ago Ardyn was chosen by the Gods to save Eos from the Starscourge by absorbing him to himself, something that make him become a demon himself and immortal. In the present, Luna as an Oracle has basically the same "job" as Ardyn, heal people affected by the plague, but every time she does this, she become more and more sick. So, why one of them become a demon/immortal and the other one just get sicker and sicker if both of them are doing the same?

- Who is exactly this Izunia guy? According to the game, Ardyn became so "dark" and mad due to the Starscourge that the Gods denied him the throne and the Ascension, and gave it to Izuna. Was Izuna somehow related to Ardyn? Or was just a different family? If that's the case, the line of succesion would be messed up as Noctis' family are not the "real" Lucis Caelum family

Ardyn absorbed all of the darkness and daemons into himself (not clear how he did this). Luna was using a different power to heal people. Neither power is explained AFAIK, other than Luna being of the Oracle's line and Ardyn being the original god's chosen and a great healer.

Izunia is presumably Noctis' ancestor, and a former king of Lucis. After the gods saw what Ardyn did, he lost their favor, was denied entrance to the afterlife, and Izunia took/was given the Lucis Caelum name and made the god's new chosen. Ardyn took the name Izunia (maybe to sully its name or out of spite).

Izunia could also perhaps be the first oracle, but that doesn't fit as clearly into the history that we know.

Honestly, I really want to hear more about Hero Ardyn and Ifrit's betrayal of the six. Did Ardyn fight Ifrit in the past? Ifrit released the Starscourge and Ardyn was fighting to end it. So much potential there.

 

[paolo11]

That's right, it's all ambiguous at this point unless the devs clarify it themselves. I like that we have our own feelings on what happens. People can believe if that they're dead and I'm fine with that. I'll believe they're still alive and helping people recover.

You are right. It seems open for interpretation.

Hopefully Dlc will add some cutscenes to clarify (by that, I do not mean to change the ending).

 

[Celeras]

You're right---he is an MT, and he could open because of bar codes on his wrists. He always wears gloves to cover them up.

Again, the Japanese VA flat out says the reveal is solely that he's from Niflheim. He is not an MT and I can't believe this is actually a thing. Y'all are taking one line in the English VA, "I'm one of them", misinterpreting it and running wild against all other evidence.

One of them means from Niflheim. That is it.

 

[Yoshichan]

buy the Season Pass.

What will that change?

 

[Scotia]

Yea, it's just a flashback to reveal that right before the final battle, Noct admitted how much he cares about them.

I'm pretty sure Noctis didn't have the ring on during that scene, and he had it on up until he killed Ardyn. Don't know for sure what it means, and I could be wrong, but I don't think that scene was a flashback.

 

[LiK]

You are right. It seems open for interpretation.

Hopefully Dlc will add some cutscenes to clarify (by that, I do not mean to change the ending).

Ending seems well liked by most. I thought it was pretty well done so yea, if they fuck with it, who knows what the reactions would be by people who liked it.

 

[Audible Phonetics]

I'm pretty sure Noctis didn't have the ring on during that scene, and he had it on up until he killed Ardyn. Don't know for sure what it means, and I could be wrong, but I don't think that scene was a flashback.

Facts!

 

[dickroach]

90% of the story in the game I've gotten from this thread... and half of what's posted in this thread seems to be wrong. ugh
how's someone gonna say Prompto's not an MT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMIoim_i0o&t=1h46m50s we're supposed to know the translator's apparently fucked up without looking up the japanese script or something?

 

[LiK]

I await the FFXV story explained YouTube video soon. LOL

These discussions are better than Souls game right now.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I'm pretty sure Noctis didn't have the ring on during that scene, and he had it on up until he killed Ardyn. Don't know for sure what it means, and I could be wrong, but I don't think that scene was a flashback.

He doesn't put the ring on until they enter Insomnia.

 

[paolo11]

Ending seems well liked by most. I thought it was pretty well done so yea, if they fuck with it, who knows what the reactions would be by people who liked it.

It is a good ending. Maybe add cutscenes after Noctis said it is finished (Astral zone).

Heck I actually want a playable final boss in the Astral zone.

 

[hamchan]

Again, the Japanese VA flat out says the reveal is solely that he's from Niflheim. He is not an MT and I can't believe this is actually a thing. Y'all are taking one line in the English VA, "I'm one of them", misinterpreting it and running wild against all other evidence.

One of them means from Niflheim. That is it.

Was gonna assume you're right and then:

90% of the story in the game I've gotten from this thread... and half of what's posted in this thread seems to be wrong. ugh
how's someone gonna say Prompto's not an MT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMIoim_i0o&t=1h46m50s

Hahaha how wouldn't people interpret that he's an MT from this scene, goddamn.

 

[Hystzen]

Would tabby honestly not put the bros also in the Noctis n Luna final sleep scene if they did die. Nah dude is subtle as a brick to face with deaths he would added them to the throne room scene

 

[herminihildo]

You are right. It seems open for interpretation.

Hopefully Dlc will add some cutscenes to clarify (by that, I do not mean to change the ending).

I would just love to see Iris, Cor and the other see that good 'ol sunlight return to Eos cutscene.

 

[Scotia]

He doesn't put the ring on until they enter Insomnia.

I'm talking about the mid credits scene where the four are at the camp fire after the 10 year skip just before they go to Insomnia. I'm pretty sure Noctis left the ring on after putting it on in chapter 13 and didn't take it off, but in that mid credits scene I'm pretty sure he's not wearing it.

 

[LiK]

Show me Daemon Slayer Iris! WANT SO HARD

 

[Griss]

If the bros died they would have been in the throne room at the end, curled up on the stairs or dozing at the foot of the throne, or something.
You can't tell me that after everything they'd been through and the final campfire scene that Noctis wouldn't have the bros in his dream world if they were available.

There's just no way.

And Noctis asks for a photo to take with him because he's not expecting the bros to be following behind him, so to speak. He's expecting to be the only one that dies that day.
Also, the "I leave it to you" line. I assume he means the remnants of the kingdom and its people, not simply holding off a few Iron Giants for maybe 10 minutes and dying in the process.
Glad, Iggy and Prompto get described in World of Ruin as top-class Hunters who have spent 10 years often working as loners. They didn't fall to 2 Iron Giants with the three of them fighting together.

This nails all of the points for me. This is why when I played through it I was sure they'd survived, and I still am.

They walk Noct to the gates of death, but he passes through alone, and he and they know he has to.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

90% of the story in the game I've gotten from this thread... and half of what's posted in this thread seems to be wrong. ugh
how's someone gonna say Prompto's not an MT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMIoim_i0o&t=1h46m50s we're supposed to know the translator's apparently fucked up without looking up the japanese script or something?

Damn, the pure hatred in Ardyn's eyes is amazing

I played with Japanese voices, but Ardyn's English voice is amazing. I didn't like it much in KG, but here it's really convincing

 

[LiK]

i'll probably replay the game in NG+ in English. spent a lot of time reading subs which did detract from some parts cuz they're constantly bantering. Would like to hear English Ardyn.

 

[GunBR]

Show me Daemon Slayer Iris! WANT SO HARD

We need a DLC with her during the "darkness years"

 

[Hystzen]

I'm talking about the mid credits scene where the four are at the camp fire after the 10 year skip just before they go to Insomnia. I'm pretty sure Noctis left the ring on after putting it on in chapter 13 and didn't take it off, but in that mid credits scene I'm pretty sure he's not wearing it.

You camp before Insomnia attack and noctis is not wearing the ring while enjoying a final meal from Ignis he then pops ring on when you appear in Insomnia

 

[Scotia]

I imagine Gladio, Ignis and Prompto DLC will take place in the ten year gap.

You camp before Insomnia attack and noctis is not wearing the ring while enjoying a final meal from Ignis he then pops ring on when you appear in Insomnia

Ah, I must have missed this. My mistake.

 

[minameissteve]

I just hope the fate of the bros is left ambiguous. With the cutscene additions they plan on making, I can't help but wonder whether or not they'll address it.

 

[LiK]

I just hope the fate of the bros is left ambiguous. With the cutscene additions they plan on making, I can't help but wonder whether or not they'll address it.

They seem to be heavily invested in fan feedback and if they get enough people asking for clarification, i see it happening. Maybe as a game update or just in some blog post.