There's a lot of emotion in quick responses
Obama to hold press conference at White House on Friday
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There's a lot of emotion in quick responses
shnurgleton
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Wicked smaht.
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Pretty much all of those are gonna get undone by Trump. Probably in the first 100 days.
tedrotheredro
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If by solved you mean taken over by China, then it's entirely possible.
Voysa Reezun
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Uh, do you know what it refers to? I'm not sure you understand the conversation here, with no malice meant to you.
This is a common fucking theme from people who at best have antipathy toward the issues of black people. Voicing specific concerns about issues of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., gets a "stop trying to divide people" flippant response (or aggressive pushback from your typical right-wing Twitter user or YouTube commenter).
If you look at how Sanders campaigned, particularly when faced with black audiences or questioners, he always resorted back to talking about how awesome his economic policies are in general, and he struggled to talk specifically about how he would discuss issues like police brutality. Hillary Clinton, who we know by now is a historically shitty campaigner, did more to respond to the concerns of, say, black women in Flint than Bernie Sanders did.
This is because Sanders wants to specifically not really talk about these things - they turn off the white working class. The Democratic coalition was built on black and brown people having nowhere else to go and thus being aligned with white working class union members in the '60s, '70s, and '80s, but it was (and is) an uneasy alliance. For example, you have lots of white Democratic cross-over votes for Reagan in the '80s based on race-baiting about black people living high by not working and taking in Welfare.
I don't want to go back to that, but this is Bernie Sanders's argument, and it has been for years! Pre-election, there were articles where Bernie talks about the Democratic party's most important faction being white working class voters.
And before you say that you don't get the implication of black and brown people being pushed to the background, the fact that Sanders himself talks about "white working class voters" and not simply "working class voters" is a big clue.
Sanders hasn't shown shit to me or many other black folks here in 2016. I don't want to get too far away from the point of this thread because it brings out the racists like that one dude who keeps responding to me because he can't take an opposing opinion from a black person without going straight into his "angry white guy Twitter user" persona, but Sanders isn't the answer for me. I could hold my nose and vote for him, sure, but if we're going to have a white guy as the face of the party in the near-future, which I think is important, I need it to be a white guy that can talk to white working-class voters and let them know that while he hears their concerns, they're going to have to get over black and brown people having a prominent voice in the party's direction.
Pai Pai Master
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"Identity politics" is a euphemism used to minimize the ongoing struggle for civil rights. When Clinton ran an inclusive campaign based on furthering the rights of oppressed minorities it was called running on "identity politics." Opponents of civil rights like to claim that Hillary lost because identity politics was her only platform and that we shouldn't bother with that kinda nonsense. That people are sick of the challenges people of color, women and lgbt minorities have to face every day of their life and that we need to "move on."
Trump ran against what people call "identity politics". He ran on throwing civil rights struggles under the bus. Possibly the same bus where he admitted to sexually assaulting women.
A nobody who got gullible-GAF hard on the idea of Obama leading an arrest squad knocking on the door of Trump Tower
I honestly have no idea how Obama keeps up with these questions. They're like spoken essays.
Thunder Monkey
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While it might outlive the squabble... no guarantee it outlives the incoming presidency.
It's a gamble we make every election. Never as prescient as this one.
hosannainexcelsis
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Trump was legitimately elected. People can complain about the Russian involvement in leaking DNC emails, but to my knowledge Russia did not force people to vote for Trump or somehow doctor the results of the election.
"Get this guy outta here!"
No one other than China is going to solve Taiwan. That's what westerners don't seem to understand. China will not allow formal independence for Taiwan, its non-negotiable.
It's the status quo one china policy or a full annexation of Taiwan, military or otherwise. It's not a solvable situation.
LT Snoshado
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Can someone catch me up on what's going on with the press conference so far? I just tuned in.
firehawk12
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I just imagine that Trump bumbles his way to creating a sovereign Taiwan. If nothing else, it'd bring a lot of jobs back to America.
Vincent Alexander
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Opened with a lot of questions on Russian hacking, how certain Obama is it happened, whether Putin was involved, what impact he thinks it had on the election....Can't remember what else.
A journalist fell ill.
Drop the mic.
Not much happening. Fairly standard question and answer session with the addition of Obama shitting all over Russia briefly.
Oh, and somebody passed out.
Obama did not announce that he's arresting Donald Trump for treason.
Someone fainted or something and Obama leaped from the podium threw them over his shoulder and ran them to the nearest hospital where he performed an emergency surgery and saved her life.
LT Snoshado
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Hah.. is that so?
So basically what everyone expected but not what they hoped for! Thanks lol
Get aggressive with them? He's their puppet. He asked them to hack his opponent, he's not going to punish them for it. He offered the job of Secretary of State to Putin's best bud, who's company was directly impacted by the sanctions we currently have in place, sanctions that could very well be lifted. He's more critical of NATO than Russia's aggression towards former Baltic states, and the public is in the dark regarding any Trump financial interests tied up in Russia that may cause potential conflicts.
What do Dems want? Let's see Trump act like he gives a shit about American interests, American allies and the integrity of our electoral process over his Russian cheerleaders and business partners, that would be a start.
DontBeThatGuy
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"very explicit in what he believes in". Bro, he flip flops and lies more than anyone imaginable.
Already Torn
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Yeah, he believes that he can say whatever he wants and get away with it because he's the best
Yes, but he's very explicit about it
BrutishMrFish
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What I was getting at is that Trump ran on white identity (or at least a subset of it). I know the main reasons people bring up the term, but I think that argument for Hillary's loss becomes weak and hypocritical when looking at how Trump ran his campaign. Am I off the mark there?
He should've done this months ago
Meh, all this tact, measure and common sense is BORING. Can't wait to hear from our timeline's Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. It's going to be bigly big league.
I'll miss you so much Obama*
*As president. Really excited to see how his involvement with the Democratic party continues when he is no longer commander in chief.
Calamari41
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The same thing happened at a Trump rally one time and he did the same thing, plus going into the crowd to help the staff.
Lots of people likes to overreact, and with practically zero opposing views in this forum, you quickly have all those hyperbole reactions.
shadow_shogun
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...This man is going to be president in a few weeks.
Oh yeah sure. That never happens here. Have you actually ever been here before?
GuyKazama
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You are asking states to disenfranchise themselves. It will never happen.
Already Torn
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There are people on this forum who like Dark Souls II, don't give me that shit.
chillybright
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"Voting counts, you fools."
"Now I am outta here"
"Now I am outta here"
Not going to happen. Would require too many states to reduce their own political power for no benefit.
At least he's a white guy amirite
I'm convinced giving all those states that much power in the first place was to benefit the slave economy.
A lot of those states have huge population centers that are also ignored by the EC. The people in them just have to be mad/motivated.
Isn't that a double? Please tell me that's a double.
Pai Pai Master
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Nah I agree with your assessment. I'd just consider his platform more aligned with (white) nationalism than what critics call "identity politics." The word is basically a dogwhistle used to insinuate that campaigning on civil rights and equality is not something that wins elections, therefore it's unimportant.
Trump didn't run on equality, he ran on divisiveness and promising privileged white people that society would not equalize.
Actually 4 times. 2 times it failed Dems and 2 times it failed Republicans.
BrutishMrFish
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Not that anything will change, but having an accurately proportional vote isn't disenfranchisement.
Okay, that's a fair point.
All we fucking do is argue about everything every single day on this forum. You don't know what you're talking about.
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