Yep.
Real talk is Kanye West the best rapper of all time?
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Byakuya769
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If someone pointed a gun at me and said "PICK ONE RAPPER TO GIVE A FIRE VERSE OR YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD!!!"
I'm going with Andre 3000.
I'm going with Andre 3000.
I agree 100% - he a fantastic lyricist and his flow is insane that can go on almost every beat
FinalStageBoss
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lmao not a chance in hell
Kanye just feels like unfulfilled potential. After Kanye was hospitalized I went back and listened to his early albums, not just the singles that are still in my playlist. I realized what made him so appealing to me was how he recognized how dumb it is to put all your time and money into buying stuff you don't need for the few moments you can pass off that you are living the life style of a rich rapper or a high fashion model. He recognized the pressure of why people buy those things and act that way and admits he isn't beyond that trap.
That died pretty quickly and we got more usual rapper problems about keeping your women from finding out about each other, drinking too much expensive alcohol, popping too many prescription pills, and not being treated as an equal by other rich people. His lyrics went from something regular people could somewhat identify with to the usual subjects that blend in to everything else on commercial hip-hop stations, but with above average punchlines. I think that is what people miss about the old Kanye. It's not the missing soul samples, it's not the autotune, it's not the more mechanical sound, it's that the subject matter means nothing anymore.
Can't really blame Kanye for rapping about whatever actual conflicts he is dealing with I guess. I'm sure having to rebuy shirts because of bleach spots adds up.
That died pretty quickly and we got more usual rapper problems about keeping your women from finding out about each other, drinking too much expensive alcohol, popping too many prescription pills, and not being treated as an equal by other rich people. His lyrics went from something regular people could somewhat identify with to the usual subjects that blend in to everything else on commercial hip-hop stations, but with above average punchlines. I think that is what people miss about the old Kanye. It's not the missing soul samples, it's not the autotune, it's not the more mechanical sound, it's that the subject matter means nothing anymore.
Can't really blame Kanye for rapping about whatever actual conflicts he is dealing with I guess. I'm sure having to rebuy shirts because of bleach spots adds up.
ThirtyPlus
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Real talk?
Fuck no.
Fuck no.
Shadax the wizard
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vasametropolis
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Joke thread?
Permanently A
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where mf doom tho
Voysa Reezun
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No. He's a mediocre emcee on his best day, and his rhymes on the whole are typically weaker in terms of wordplay than, say, a dude like Ludacris. And no one is touting Ludacris as one of the greatest rappers of all time.
Great producer, though.
Great producer, though.
There are only 2 noteworthy mcs, Eminem and Kanye.
He's one of the best recording artists ever, up there with people like Bowie and Prince, but he's not the best rapper, even though he is good and sometimes amazing.
The run of albums he's made is something else and he is truly creative and innovative.
I hope he gets well and stays out of the limelight for a bit.
The run of albums he's made is something else and he is truly creative and innovative.
I hope he gets well and stays out of the limelight for a bit.
Bounceounce
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How can so many people just dismiss Kanye's lyrics?
Just because he isn't close to the best rapper of all time that doesn't mean his lyrics are worthless or that he doesn't have verses comparable or better than some of theirs.
Get out of here.
Just because he isn't close to the best rapper of all time that doesn't mean his lyrics are worthless or that he doesn't have verses comparable or better than some of theirs.
*inserts profile picture*
Get out of here.
I piss on this entire list, but for the sake of saving time I'm just going to say there's nothing more disgusting/delusional than a person who believes Big L is even close to Jay Z on any level.
Nah.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Fuck yeah, the man is incredible. A legitamite genius in his craft.
Bounceounce
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Nope, and I heard Jay's work in a relative vacuum so that's my perception without much outside influence.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Good job shitting on someone with mental problems
torre_avenue
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Real talk, as an artist? Definitely the definitive one of the 21st century so far.
As a pure lyrical miracle spiritual rapper? No way, but he's good at quote-worthy funny/shitty bars like "Put that pussy in a sarcophagus", "Eating Asian pussy, all we need is sweet and sour sauce", or "okay okay okay okay OKAY, beggers can't be choosers, bitch this ain't Chipotle", etc.
As a person? NOOOOOO FUCKING WAY. Man's the emotional equivalent of a raging dumpster fire, and that was before 2016. I've said in the Gaf-hop thread and I'll say it here: if I even hear one positive Trump reference on TG-16, I'm fucking out. I have no time for bullshit like that; if he so much as names a song after Trump in a good way, I'm gone. I'm not here for that kind of callous treatment of your fanbase, and even though Yeezy's my ride-or-die artist, I'd leave it all in a heartbeat.
As a pure lyrical miracle spiritual rapper? No way, but he's good at quote-worthy funny/shitty bars like "Put that pussy in a sarcophagus", "Eating Asian pussy, all we need is sweet and sour sauce", or "okay okay okay okay OKAY, beggers can't be choosers, bitch this ain't Chipotle", etc.
As a person? NOOOOOO FUCKING WAY. Man's the emotional equivalent of a raging dumpster fire, and that was before 2016. I've said in the Gaf-hop thread and I'll say it here: if I even hear one positive Trump reference on TG-16, I'm fucking out. I have no time for bullshit like that; if he so much as names a song after Trump in a good way, I'm gone. I'm not here for that kind of callous treatment of your fanbase, and even though Yeezy's my ride-or-die artist, I'd leave it all in a heartbeat.
brianjones
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glad we could get some real talk in here
tired of the bullshit
tired of the bullshit
Bounceounce
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West has amazing lyrics, he's just not a top 50 rapper because rapping is a separate skill than that, and it has nothing do do with him not being "underground", and Kanye's skill isn't just wrapped up in him being a rapper, it's production and so much more.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Nah, you're wetting yourself over such trivial things..
L is superior in every facet.
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Soapbox Killer
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From where I am you can't even be considered as the Goat if you don't write your own lyrics and aren't considered lyrical. You can cypher with no beat you can not cypher with no lyrics. I'll give a pass on freestyles since even some of the dope at emcees can't do it.
Eminem for my standards doesn't choose the best beats ( dope emcees can rap over anything but that's another topic) but that will never disqualify him for the Goat convo. With out beats Kanye is....
BlazinSkatinAxel
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1. Andre 3000
2. Pac
3. Eminem
4. Bone Thugs
5. BIG
2. Pac
3. Eminem
4. Bone Thugs
5. BIG
if you're talking about influence overall, Dre is the only one u mentioned competing with Kanye
if you're talking about current influence on young MCs coming into the game, Kanye beats all three of them handily.
i can see what OP means though. as a hip-hop artist, Ye definitely is in the conversation of best, along with Jay, Pac, and Big. purely in terms of rapping skills, as many pointed out, that's clearly not his strong point. same with Pac, but that doesnt hold him back from being the most popular choice in GOAT conversations
Bounceounce
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Exactly, which is why it's always funny when people talk about him beating Jay on WTT (I put their verses on an even keel) when we don't even know what Kanye wrote himself.
Maybe if you can't process rap.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
torre_avenue
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Wow, one awful verse in a sea of good ones automatically makes him a shitty rapper.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
No but you can tell which verses he wrote and which are ghost written haha
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bob_arctor
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Dunno bout best but one of my personal favorite all time rappers is Andre Barnes, aka Andre the Giant aka AG of Showbiz n AG. Dude's been killing it for a long while and has gotten better with age. He's probably in my top 10 all things considered.
Mammoth Jones
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Syphon Filter
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wtf? Jay is top 10 for sure. what is your top 10?
I laughed at this more than I should have.
Syphon Filter
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Who is reggie?
FadedRevolution
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Redman
Bounceounce
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Is Kanye rapping like Ghostface?
No.
But that doesn't mean his lyrics on Heard Me Say or Addiction aren't amazing.
Is he rapping like Lupe?
No but that doesn't mean he doesn't fit perfectly in Flashing Lights or murder Can't Tell Me Nothing.
Etc etc.
And no, there's no justification for putting Big L above Jay.
bob_arctor
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Reggie Noble/Redman? Only Reggie I know anyway.
Heavy_D206
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Tupac and Biggie rolling in they graves.
Jay is indisputable top 10. Kanye & Wayne are in my top 10 too but i wouldnt complain about anyone putting them somewhere from 1-20.
1. 2Pac
2. Notorious B.I.G.
3. Jay-Z
4. Andre 3000
5. Kanye West
6. Dr. Dre
7. Lil Wayne
8. Nas
id say these 8 are a step above everyone else
killertofu
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Syphon Filter
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Is Andre 300 really that good? I never thought he would be but I never listened to his old stuff which I guess is what makes him that good?
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