bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Dr.Dre!? Whaaaat. I mean, Diamond D would eat him alive if we're talking producers who occasionally spit. And he would't make the list either.
Real talk is Kanye West the best rapper of all time?
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Dr.Dre!? Whaaaat. I mean, Diamond D would eat him alive if we're talking producers who occasionally spit. And he would't make the list either.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
I don't agree that Big L is ahead of Jay but I get those who do. D.I.T.C. The Big Picture...that freestyle that has both of them on there and L kills it and Jay is like ok. Yeah there is an argument to be made.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Of course. Jay has longevity of course, Big L was lost to us before he hit his prime. But for me, Big L had the better presence and energy and just the right combo of street/humor/skills and viciousness. But I was never a fan of Jay generally, so I'm biased in that regard. Hell, speaking of D.I.T.C., OC is one of the best rappers for my money as well, definitely one of the most underrated.
Dr. Dre hasnt written a verse in his life but i was under the impression we were talking about hip-hop artists which encompasses more than straight up bars.
if were talking straight up rapping ability, dont think Pac or Kanye belong anywhere in the discussion, but if we're talking hip-hop artists as a whole, you gotta include influence, song writing ability, producing ability, album quality, consistency, etc
rapping ability is a way less interesting discussion imo, and we'd be talking about Eminem, Tech N9ne, and a lot of way less interesting artists
listen to the love below, stankonia, atliens, aquemini
and his recent features have been fire too.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Ah, gotcha, I was taking just rappers but Diamond D is a dope producer so at least he sort of fits as an artist in a sense.
i respect the OGs like Chuck D, KRS One, Big Daddy Kane, etc, but i feel like their inclusion so high on the list is playing it way too conservative.
you gotta appreciate what they contributed to the form, but i cant imagine anyone will be playing a KRS One album in 50 years, but i can damn sure see MBDTF being played
yeah i mean im not gonna include DJ Premier or Just Blaze on my list for this discussion, but i think production skills can be mentioned when talking about what makes a rap artist great. im not sure Dre has been super involved in the actual playing of the keys and programming of the drums since his NWA days, but hes a hip hop artist in that hes the main face and voice of his music, and all the skills that go into creating his final musical product and artist persona is what makes him great.
Kanye and Drake are another couple of examples of great hip-hop artists that might not write every rhyme, but the way that leverage there own skills, taste, and persona to create a work in the genre of hip-hop is why id consider them for this type of discussion
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
You can't be fucking serious. With your criteria it would probably be Jay-Z, Eminem, and Andre 3000 And those guys are actually great rappers.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Top 10 all time.
IcyRhythms
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Objectively?
It's not even close. Your choice from an objective standpoint is Eminem or JayZ. Lyrics, sales, respect, and overall attention from media. There aren't many that come close. Kanye?
Kanye lol
Subjectively? I don't even think the guy makes my top 20.
1. LL Cool J
2. BIG
3. Krayzie Bone from Bone thugs n Harmony(most underrated artists ever in terms of solo efforts)
4. Eminem
5. Rakim
6. Nas
7. Jay Z
8. Big L
9. 2pac
10. Redman
It's not even close. Your choice from an objective standpoint is Eminem or JayZ. Lyrics, sales, respect, and overall attention from media. There aren't many that come close. Kanye?
Kanye lol
Subjectively? I don't even think the guy makes my top 20.
1. LL Cool J
2. BIG
3. Krayzie Bone from Bone thugs n Harmony(most underrated artists ever in terms of solo efforts)
4. Eminem
5. Rakim
6. Nas
7. Jay Z
8. Big L
9. 2pac
10. Redman
well he did create one of the best music albums of all time.
cause hes got technically but musically hes boring
cause hes got technically but musically hes boring
Syphon Filter
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huh? I see Eminem on many peoples top 5,etc
Young Magus
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Yeezus is a classic? When I think of a classic album I think of like illmatic...Yeezus? lmfao
I dont even think Kanye has an album that you can put in a top 10 all time
And isnt Eminem still the top selling rap artist in album sales?
Reading this thread made me lowkey angry, swear im done with gaf "hiphop heads"
loooooooooool
IcyRhythms
Member
Opinions and all. You're probably 25 or younger. Just saying
I bet KB and Redman could rap circles around anyone that you'd replace them with. Legends
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Much like Rass kass is Em favorite emcee and he never ever gets mention save for old darts like me.
Yes. His flow on something like B.O.B is insane.
IcyRhythms
Member
Andre just missed my top 10. He's easily in my 11th or 12th spot, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3hfv5MDK-w
Krayzie Bone's response to Eminem's Rap God was pure magic. Guy is like 40+ still killing it like he's 19.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3hfv5MDK-w
Krayzie Bone's response to Eminem's Rap God was pure magic. Guy is like 40+ still killing it like he's 19.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
He is among the best hiphop producers of all time
He's probably one of the best producers of all time. I'm not sure he's one of the best rappers. I think he's in the conversation, but he would likely get passed on for better rappers pretty quickly.
That said, I think it's clear that him and Jay-Z were great because Jay is one of the best rappers and Ye is one of the best producers.
I'm always nervous about bringing up Eminem because he's white. I believe he's one of the greats, but I'm white, so I always figure I don't have the best opinion because of my race and Eminem was one of the first rappers I listened to. I think he's the best, but who am I to really say?
Can I also say I'm upset Papoose never got big.
That said, I think it's clear that him and Jay-Z were great because Jay is one of the best rappers and Ye is one of the best producers.
I'm always nervous about bringing up Eminem because he's white. I believe he's one of the greats, but I'm white, so I always figure I don't have the best opinion because of my race and Eminem was one of the first rappers I listened to. I think he's the best, but who am I to really say?
Can I also say I'm upset Papoose never got big.
Yeah. Listen to every single album of OutKasts and start from Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik which is a heavy underrated album. From that go to
- ATLiens
- Aquemini
- Stankonia
- Speakerboxxx / The Love Below
- Idlewild
He's great and he's really influenced a lot of today's artists. He's also very versatile. He can be simple, deep, romantic, hard, creative, fun, sad, rap, sing, the guy can do it all. Just imagine hearing his verse on Gangsta Shit and then hear him on Toilet Tisha.
Syphon Filter
Member
Yea pap is the man, he was actually suppose to be next but he came at the time things were changing so it never happened.
3K is one of the best ever in the rap game. Straight up. What he and Big Boi did is fucking great and what they did seperately is good as hell too
Andre would be in my top five rappers of all time, no doubt. Quite possibly number one.
He's also the greatest producer/rapper of all time. Not sure why his and Big Boi's production work (mainly as part of Earthtone with Mr DJ, though "Ghetto Musick" proves Andre is great producer on his own too) gets overlooked so much.
Damerman
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there are some serious lines missing from the kanye excerpt.
Andrew Korenchkin
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DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I'm not into making lists so I won't be doing that.
I will say that as much as I enjoy Kanye's albums and body of work he's not the best rapper of all time. Not even close.
However, Ye's influence in the way rap music sounds is wide and far reaching. I honestly might like him better as a producer/beat maker than a rapper. He's got some good bars but nothing special. Ye's specialty is arranging music and putting together samples that turn into amazing beats. I kinda wish he would step back from performing and go back to producing.
I will say that as much as I enjoy Kanye's albums and body of work he's not the best rapper of all time. Not even close.
However, Ye's influence in the way rap music sounds is wide and far reaching. I honestly might like him better as a producer/beat maker than a rapper. He's got some good bars but nothing special. Ye's specialty is arranging music and putting together samples that turn into amazing beats. I kinda wish he would step back from performing and go back to producing.
Extra Sauce
Member
He is so much better as a composer and producer than rapper.
Phatosaurus
Member
Nope, but he is the best rapper/producer, ignoring The Life of Pablo.
There isn't a single rap artist, living or dead, with a more diverse discography of albums.
From the evolution of College Dropout to Late Registration, to the holy grail of MBDTF and the complete 180 he pulled with Yeezus.
There isn't a single rap artist, living or dead, with a more diverse discography of albums.
From the evolution of College Dropout to Late Registration, to the holy grail of MBDTF and the complete 180 he pulled with Yeezus.
Bounceounce
Member
People who try so hard to deny Kanye's status are WOAT.
Kanye has multiple undeniable classics.
torre_avenue
Banned
If you hate "Yeezus", please commit sudoku immediately.
I know it's seppuku, it's a joke.
You can like his work without claiming he's the goat when he doesn't write his own shit.
For the record i love ye, best of all time he isn't even in the conversation as a mc.
Andre is fucking gold. One of the most distinctive and original voices in rap music in recent memory. Dude is a legit poet and a great artist.
He needs to get his fucking album out. He's at Jay Electronica levels of cocktease.
Bounceounce
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I never called him the GOAT, in this thread I said that he isn't even in the competition.
That's what pissed me off about it tbh, I was like "I know I know this song wtf lol."
yeezus is a classic, no debate.
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