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Rogue One is so good it improves the entire trilogy (SPOILERS)
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Yeaaaaaa....no.
Boring movie that is propped by its last ten minutes highlighted by the corridor scene. I'll probably YouTube that part again down the line but I'll never sit through this movie again (unless there's a rifftrax for it down the line)
If anything, it actively hurts the OT by making that opening scene nonsensical - how could Leia say, with a straight face, that they're on a diplomatic mission when the ship is filled (both inside and outside) with signs of the battle of scariff?
Boring movie that is propped by its last ten minutes highlighted by the corridor scene. I'll probably YouTube that part again down the line but I'll never sit through this movie again (unless there's a rifftrax for it down the line)
If anything, it actively hurts the OT by making that opening scene nonsensical - how could Leia say, with a straight face, that they're on a diplomatic mission when the ship is filled (both inside and outside) with signs of the battle of scariff?
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah. I think they tried, but their attempts to add grey felt a little...obvious? I mean, not as obvious as Anakin yelling that from his perspective the Jedi are evil obvious.
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There's already pretty solid formula for a good heist movie established by Hollywood, and this movie misses almost every beat. I think what salvages this for most people is the Star Wars stuff they shoved in to make up the rest of the film. You get your cameo's from beloved characters, sci-fi set pieces and elaborate space battles, but that's all window dressing. The core story and characters are both poorly handled. I enjoyed it for the fan service, but the movie itself felt very lacking.
Doctor Decimate
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I like Rogue One and don't necessarily disagree that it adds some nice background for A New Hope, but I guess I don't feel it's all that significant?
Explaining the Death Star's weakness is cool and I think the way they did it makes a ton of sense, but it also just seems like it's answering a question I never asked. Even if it was a little bit dumb, I could accept it in a movie with stilted laser sword battles and comic relief robots. I do see the benefit. It just doesn't change the way I watch A New Hope by plugging a plot hole.
I think the idea that it adds some shades of the gray to the rebellion is a bit of bullshit, because not only did Rogue One give me the impression that they were afraid to go any farther with it than they did, but I don't believe seeing the unsavory side of the rebellion for one movie adds anything to the next three movies where it doesn't matter. It can't recontextualize the original trilogy when it does so little with the concept in the first place and doesn't have it reflected in any way in those movies, where it's an even more straightforward good vs. evil thing. It's like saying the Clone Wars TV show changes how you feel about the clones and their relationship with the Jedi when one of Obi-Wan's first lines in Episode 3 is how they're not people so who gives a shit if they're all dying (only way worse since that was at least a whole TV show's worth of buildup trying to change your mind).
I also think a lot of the fanservice was kind of pointless and harmed the pacing of a movie that was already a little clunky in that department, in addition to some pretty thin characters. I admittedly haven't watched The Force Awakens since it came out, but my main issue with Rogue One is that it feels like a safe franchise movie when I figured only the actual mainline movies had any business being that way. Force Awakens echoes a lot of A New Hope, but I think that's a lot more excusable considering the place the franchise was in at the time and the story it was trying to tell. Rogue One has the room to experiment but never goes as far it should and most of its callbacks by comparison feel excessive.
Explaining the Death Star's weakness is cool and I think the way they did it makes a ton of sense, but it also just seems like it's answering a question I never asked. Even if it was a little bit dumb, I could accept it in a movie with stilted laser sword battles and comic relief robots. I do see the benefit. It just doesn't change the way I watch A New Hope by plugging a plot hole.
I think the idea that it adds some shades of the gray to the rebellion is a bit of bullshit, because not only did Rogue One give me the impression that they were afraid to go any farther with it than they did, but I don't believe seeing the unsavory side of the rebellion for one movie adds anything to the next three movies where it doesn't matter. It can't recontextualize the original trilogy when it does so little with the concept in the first place and doesn't have it reflected in any way in those movies, where it's an even more straightforward good vs. evil thing. It's like saying the Clone Wars TV show changes how you feel about the clones and their relationship with the Jedi when one of Obi-Wan's first lines in Episode 3 is how they're not people so who gives a shit if they're all dying (only way worse since that was at least a whole TV show's worth of buildup trying to change your mind).
I also think a lot of the fanservice was kind of pointless and harmed the pacing of a movie that was already a little clunky in that department, in addition to some pretty thin characters. I admittedly haven't watched The Force Awakens since it came out, but my main issue with Rogue One is that it feels like a safe franchise movie when I figured only the actual mainline movies had any business being that way. Force Awakens echoes a lot of A New Hope, but I think that's a lot more excusable considering the place the franchise was in at the time and the story it was trying to tell. Rogue One has the room to experiment but never goes as far it should and most of its callbacks by comparison feel excessive.
the anime man
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It was a really good movie. As was TFA. Can't wait for Ep 8.
gutter_trash
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yeah, that was an element missing in all the Star Wars movies prior, they talk allot about the Empire but never show the Empire being Empirially
Rogue One was the first the show how oppressive they really are and how far reaching their military capabilities stretch from galactic down to urban occupation .
CrimsonSquall
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This opinion is no good
I liked it as well as Force Awakens and I am generally bored out of my mind with the majority of modern blockbusters. Although I never thought the original trilogy was that crash hot, the story, for the most part, is very basic and nothing extraordinary. Sometimes I wonder what these rigid Star Wars fans actually want, they're a very obsessive and critical fanbase, but its like if you are so anal about these things how can you can enjoy the original trilogy which is nothing really that radical.
It's almost like I have my own opinion. Given that this movie is a heist movie at it's core it's not like there isn't an existing template to judge this by. I enjoyed a lot of what other people enjoyed, but that doesn't suddenly make the characters and story not suck.
Rogue one has many shortcomings but being bland and boring is not them. It's hard for me to take some of you seriously with criticisms like that.
Lifejumper
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Rogue One enhanced ANH a bit yeah. Something the prequels failed to do. Id admit it even tho I dont love the movie, its a enjoyable but flawed movie. But most people here rate their movie 10/10 or 0/10.
SuperInuit
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Rogue One was quite unengaging to me, due to the characterisation lacking any depth and the jumbled pacing in the first two acts. The final act on Scarif was great, in spite of the insipid dialogue and rather pedestrian cinematography (the space battle was boringly shot to me) but doesn't elevate the rest of it.
Really not sure how it elevates an excellent trilogy besides filling in a plot hole. Viewer imagination exists for that, just came across as an uncessary film.
Really not sure how it elevates an excellent trilogy besides filling in a plot hole. Viewer imagination exists for that, just came across as an uncessary film.
This movie lives or dies by how much someone enjoys the fan service. If someone isn't excited every time something from the OT pops up on the screen, then I can absolutely see them finding the movie rather bland.
Apparently you are wrong about that given your feelings for the movie. I also enjoyed the movie, but it's no guilty pleasure like The Chronicles of Riddick.
Who said it did? The movie has been seen as great for 40 odd years.
AlexFlame116
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The second to last half was awesome for me but besides that it was an okay movie. It definitely wasn't the worst movie at all. It's a great movie and I'm glad that people love it. But it was okay for me. I just didn't care about the majority of the cast like usual. Jan especially was someone I didn't like that much. CGI was awesome minus one person. Other than that I lived the space battle.
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Whether something is "good" or not is completely a subjective opinion. To say otherwise is to imply your opinion means more than anyone elses. I liked the movie, but that first half was pretty average and I would say it's overall the 4th best star wars movie.
1)Empire
2)RotJ
3)Force Awakens
4)Rogue One
5)A New Hope
Lamel
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I really liked the characters in this and did not find them bland. I don't really see the criticism saying that Jyn is bland and has no way we can relate to her character either. At the very least her relationship with her father is one of the most visceral emotions that we can feel. Her seeing her father's hologram message, and then seeing her father die made me relate to her immensely. One of the best parts of the final battle on Scarif was when Jyn and Cassian are taking the elevator down, in complete silence, realizing their doom...all the way to when they eventually are engulfed in the explosion. You really feel for the characters in this; it was a true suicide mission and they went out guns blazing.
A New Hope doesn't NEED anything, but R1 definitely betters it. We did see the destruction the empire could cause in ANH, especially with the explosion of Alderaan. However at the time we barely knew what alderaan was, or who was really on that planet; yes for shock value it was crazy, but it was a fleeting moment/scene. Seeing what they do on a ground level, to individual people, is much more personal and much more clear - R1 made it evident. Seeing DV brutally rip apart those rebellion soldiers was just one example, as was the destruction of Jedha, as was storm troopers constantly bullying innocent people etc. They had a far reach throughout the galaxy and they terrorized people everywhere they went. R1 just adds a bit more depth.
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Also a side note, I didn't know Tarkin was CGI and didn't notice either; only until I read some stuff that I learned the actor isn't alive (which obviously makes total sense in hindsight haha).
A New Hope doesn't NEED anything, but R1 definitely betters it. We did see the destruction the empire could cause in ANH, especially with the explosion of Alderaan. However at the time we barely knew what alderaan was, or who was really on that planet; yes for shock value it was crazy, but it was a fleeting moment/scene. Seeing what they do on a ground level, to individual people, is much more personal and much more clear - R1 made it evident. Seeing DV brutally rip apart those rebellion soldiers was just one example, as was the destruction of Jedha, as was storm troopers constantly bullying innocent people etc. They had a far reach throughout the galaxy and they terrorized people everywhere they went. R1 just adds a bit more depth.
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Also a side note, I didn't know Tarkin was CGI and didn't notice either; only until I read some stuff that I learned the actor isn't alive (which obviously makes total sense in hindsight haha).
Agreed that it added something. And it shouldn't but that's actually really shocking because it's the only film since the OT that doesn't actually shit on the OT in some way.
Prequels: boy Darth Vader was a cool character. You'll remember him from his steely resolve, so strong in the dark side was he that it took doey eyed Skywalker three movies to break his resolve. Wonder how he got to be that way. LOL that's all his robot side, the real Vader was a whiny bitch with a tantrum SYKE.
TFA: that was amazing how these ragtag group of rebels brought down the mighty empire and found love I wonder what happens next? NOTHING everything is back to the old days the empire is somehow stronger we're just going to make the same movies again but now your favorite character Han Solo is dead HAHA FUCK YOU.
Rogue One on the other hand, sets up the OT really nicely, explains why some people decide to live under the Pax Imperialis, shows the rebels are actual rebels, shows the Mon Calamari are not some sideshow but pretty much the actual fleet, frames the royalty stories of princesses and chosen ones against a backdrop of actual common people dying and most importantly explains the weird Death Star weakness macguffin into something that's actually poignant and touching. Oh and is really competently made, outside of what some people here groupthought into existence.
Prequels: boy Darth Vader was a cool character. You'll remember him from his steely resolve, so strong in the dark side was he that it took doey eyed Skywalker three movies to break his resolve. Wonder how he got to be that way. LOL that's all his robot side, the real Vader was a whiny bitch with a tantrum SYKE.
TFA: that was amazing how these ragtag group of rebels brought down the mighty empire and found love I wonder what happens next? NOTHING everything is back to the old days the empire is somehow stronger we're just going to make the same movies again but now your favorite character Han Solo is dead HAHA FUCK YOU.
Rogue One on the other hand, sets up the OT really nicely, explains why some people decide to live under the Pax Imperialis, shows the rebels are actual rebels, shows the Mon Calamari are not some sideshow but pretty much the actual fleet, frames the royalty stories of princesses and chosen ones against a backdrop of actual common people dying and most importantly explains the weird Death Star weakness macguffin into something that's actually poignant and touching. Oh and is really competently made, outside of what some people here groupthought into existence.
gutter_trash
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this
and this
Agree on both counts, and it shows the gritty underbelly of non famous Rebel fighters doing the heavy lifitng on the ground against Imperial forces
TheFuzz
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It's a very good movie.
However, the real strength of the movie is how it actually retroactively improves a 40-year old trilogy. It adds some additional depth to parts of the OT. For instance, seeing Lando betray the rebels and sell them out in Empire stings a lot more after seeing RO and ANH. When you see how he (almost) undoes everything they've accomplished it adds a new depth to him and his redemption in ROTJ.
It's a very small example, but as time goes on I think people will associate RO as an essential prologue to watching the original trilogy and only adds to ones enjoyment of it.
However, the real strength of the movie is how it actually retroactively improves a 40-year old trilogy. It adds some additional depth to parts of the OT. For instance, seeing Lando betray the rebels and sell them out in Empire stings a lot more after seeing RO and ANH. When you see how he (almost) undoes everything they've accomplished it adds a new depth to him and his redemption in ROTJ.
It's a very small example, but as time goes on I think people will associate RO as an essential prologue to watching the original trilogy and only adds to ones enjoyment of it.
Really enjoyed Rogue One. Never once looked at my watch once during the movie. The fact it's a one time deal let them do pretty much what they wanted to do with the characters in one movie. It shows you an even darker side of the empire, you actually see them blackmail people and what they did with the Jedi's city. The antagonists are truly selfish evil persons. Bonus points for no Jar Jar Binx or tantrum throwing Vader junior.
Coffee Dog
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Imperial hubris. That was the explanation given for 40 years, and it still works based on their characterization up to that point in the film.
There's a reason it was a throwaway line in the first place. We might as well be giving a film to admiral ackbar if that's our threshold for explanation.
The Scollard
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Also, it's not like it doesn't have precedent in our world. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the German battleship Bismarck had some design flaws due to being rushed to production. Seeing how the Empire resembles the Nazi's, after learning about the ship as a little kid and rewatching ANH, I also took the Death Star to be an allegory to superweapons like that.
Yeah I agree, I liked the characters a lot. I just saw the movie this week and am surprised at how negative people are on it. I feel like I might get flamed for this, but I actually liked Jyn more than Rey and K2 is my favorite star wars bot...
Yup. The complete lack of context or a sense of setting and place really sucked in TFA, and Rogue One handheld it better than anything other than the Clone Wars cartoons.
Also, I swear to god if I see anybody complaining about fan service in this movie and then go on to praise TFA, I will fight you.
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Oh, God, that makeup. That hair.
Help.
Always-honest
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Last bit of cgi was horrible but i really liked the movie.
M0nochromatic
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I think the moment the movie lost me was when Mads gives his "I love you daughter, here's my meaningful death star sacrifice monologue."
I realized that the one meaningful character moment for the protagonist was listening to a glorified audio recording. I wasn't exactly surprised when he bit it right as he reunited with Jin.
I didn't hate it. It had good action. I liked the whole a group of warriors sacrifice themselves for a just cause thing. It's just that I've already forgotten what most of their names were.
I realized that the one meaningful character moment for the protagonist was listening to a glorified audio recording. I wasn't exactly surprised when he bit it right as he reunited with Jin.
I didn't hate it. It had good action. I liked the whole a group of warriors sacrifice themselves for a just cause thing. It's just that I've already forgotten what most of their names were.
HiredN00bs
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Monocle
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I don't think it's some pivotal thing that was sorely needed, but it does nicely account for one of the more glaring nerdy sticking points in the original story. Namely how the Empire's super ultimate moon-sized doom machine could have such a convenient weakness that happens to make the whole thing go boom.
I like Rogue One's explanation a lot because it gives real, earned, character-based emotional resonance to a central detail from a classic movie. It's one of the best things a prequel can do: cast an existing plot point or potential flaw in a better light.
It's just so clever and satisfying how the emotional core of RO is intimately linked to ANH in that way.
TheFuzz
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I don't get it.
Glass Rebel
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Some can't come to terms that people actually liked this movie. Just ignore it and keep it moving.
Monocle
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Kyle Ren alone destroys this absurd sentiment.
ALONE.
And then there's the whole business of Han Solo, and all of the other principal characters who bring their own unique things to the story.
Laziest critique ever. Not just wrong but aggressively ignorant. You've got to work pretty hard to ignore a lot of the movie, if you're going to take that position.
Que?
Kylo's one of the best SW characters yet, but TFA shits all over the main OT trio's characterization. Luke's back to being insecure about his ability as a jedi, Leia's back to having to lead an outnumbered army, Han's back to being a smuggler fucking over the people he makes deals with.
TFA almost makes Return of the Jedi completely worthless.
Megalosaro
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I really liked Ben Mendelssohn's character. I love imperials in general. They're fun. But he was cool. Somewhat sympathetic but still an asshole.
boneyjangles
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I didn't think much of it. I liked elements like the new droid, THAT Vader scene and Ben Mendelsons character, but overall it was pretty drab and flat.
I'd probably rate it a tad below force awakens, significantly below the OT, and still a good bit better than the prequels, though not insanely better.
I'd probably rate it a tad below force awakens, significantly below the OT, and still a good bit better than the prequels, though not insanely better.
Have you only watched like 3 movies?
I think this is the sentiment most reasonable people would have about the movie. The movie itself has a lot of problems, but not serious enough to make it an unenjoyable movie.
The first half of the movie was really rough, but got much better once the stakes were on the table. That, and when you gradually realize that everyone is going to die in the movie.
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