Not really...
The Death Star doesn't work on a level where it could destroy a planet yet. It can blast a big hole but that's it.
Rogue One is so good it improves the entire trilogy (SPOILERS)
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The Death Star doesn't work on a level where it could destroy a planet yet. It can blast a big hole but that's it.
bishopcruz
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I believe he said fully operational. They had just done 2 test fires, with only one reactor at that point. Alderaan was the first fully powered shot.
Psychoward
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*fully operational
Phenomenal movie that makes you wish Lucasfilm got free reign prior the The Phantom Menace. Imagine what today's Lucasfilm could have done with tone in those three eps. The rise of Vader, the fall of the Republic, etc.
Anyways, the movie was great. While ESB is still my favorite, the battle for Scarif may just be the greatest Star Wars fight on film. Endor and Hoth come close, though.
Also pushed me to finally start a complete watch of The Clone Wars animated series just so I can get to Rebels and stay in that time period a bit longer.
Anyways, the movie was great. While ESB is still my favorite, the battle for Scarif may just be the greatest Star Wars fight on film. Endor and Hoth come close, though.
Also pushed me to finally start a complete watch of The Clone Wars animated series just so I can get to Rebels and stay in that time period a bit longer.
He does not say fully operational. Just watched it again to double check
goldenpp72
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I think the emperor said fully operational in 3 (or 6, jedi I mean), maybe that's the mix up?
Fancyarcher
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It's a good film, but the opening is a bit sluggish. The last act is great though.
It doesn't really improve the entire trilogy IMO. It's already a very good trilogy as is.
It doesn't really improve the entire trilogy IMO. It's already a very good trilogy as is.
metalmonstar
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I thought it was okay. I liked the reasoning behind the Death Star's weakness. However I didn't like the ending. It just seemed odd for the Death Star to be fired beforehand. I feel word of the weapon would spread quickly. At the very least people would question why cities have been wiped from existence. Also it seemed strange that the rebellion would engage in such a fight. Finally what was Leia doing in that battle.
Watching ANH now and this is annoying me now. It's heavily implied that the demonstration on Alderaan is the first time the weapon has been fired
theCalamity
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How do you feel about the reveals of Leia and Vader in ANH now?
What do you mean
theCalamity
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Bad wording. The introductions of Vader and Leia.
Unknown Soldier
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It fired with one reactor only demonstrating only the proof of concept and causing city-level destruction. Alderaan is the first planet to blow up.
In general super weapon has always been a badly handled MacGuffin in Star Wars, how did a second Death Star just pop up in ROTJ after it took nearly 2 decades to build the first one in R1 and ANH?
And then there's Starkiller Base, because the only thing bigger than a Death Star is a bigger Death Star! Good thing you only need to blow up this one small exposed structure on Starkiller Base to make the whole thing go boom!
Future PhaZe
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My girlfriend saw Rogue One as her first SW film and it was a fantastic setup for ANH. I think it should be watched first honestly. There was weight to what Luke and Obiwan were doing that didn't quite exist before.
No! Always watch in the order of the release date!
I know this post is old, but I just watched it today finally and agree with everything this post says. Cept I would have left off the last line cause I'm too nice lol
The first DS was a gargantuan undertaking of the kind of project that had not been attempted since the days of the Sith. The knowledge simply wasn't there and they had to basically figure out what they were doing and make scientific breakthroughs in energy technology to get it functional. Plus constant setbacks by sabotage, especially by Galen who messed around for years and years to slow down its completion.
The DS II was already in motion around the time of ANH (Palpatine talks to Vader about it in the post-ANH comics), but they had everything laid out for it this time. They just had to build it.
Royal_Phalanx
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Rogue One definitely appealed to me because it really emphasizes sacrifice and the Empire was actually threatening here. I was glad to see the relative lack of plot armor. But one huge question I have to ask is-how did the Empire not figure out the critical defect that was built into the Death Star? Given that the head engineer was a traitor and all they surely should have investigated this and corrected it. Not like they have just 1 copy of the plans anyway.
Psychoward
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Because it's the size of a moon and both the director of the project and architect are dead. Plus not a lot of time passed by the time RO happened and the first Death Star blew up.
Aztechnology
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It retconned and refined some oversights in the OT and helped expand the story, so that's nice. It was quite unfirendly to new viewers and people who only had surface level experience and or didn't remember the star wars film especially well. I just saw it a second time with my family tonight and they, while enjoying it didn't share the same view about it and expressed their frustration at how odd it felt for them not really having remember much about star wars. That being said they also wanted to judge it as if it was a standalone film, and I don't think you can pretend it exists in a vacuum because that's not the point of the film. However as a standalone film, it would have been a very very confusing and much shallower film. (
Whitaker was still wasted).
Personally as a Star Wars buff I liked it. I didn't like Force Awakens all that much. You guys can probably guess why. It has to do with a new hope.
Regardless I'm fucking sick and tired of the Death Star and end of the universe ramifications. I know it's all about larger than life shit. But I was really hoping 7,8 and 9 were going to avoid it. Shame.
Whitaker was still wasted).
Personally as a Star Wars buff I liked it. I didn't like Force Awakens all that much. You guys can probably guess why. It has to do with a new hope.
Regardless I'm fucking sick and tired of the Death Star and end of the universe ramifications. I know it's all about larger than life shit. But I was really hoping 7,8 and 9 were going to avoid it. Shame.
Aztechnology
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I think that's a terrible idea. They put such huge emphasis in places on the importance of characters pretending we should know who they are and their importance. Hell the lagging of the camera holding on certain character for a long time and dramatic introductions/entrances of characters were specifically appealing to people who know Star Wars well. There's a lot of unexplained and confusing things in Rogue One for people who don't know anything about Star Wars.
Act like you don't know anything about Star Wars and run back through the scenes in your head. You can imagine how quickly someone could get lost. And then later be frustrated characters that seemed important weren't important at all etc.
Gnome Scat
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I disagree, the retconning was a bit much. Why would they take Leia into a last ditch battle?
What did your girlfriend think of ANH after watching RO?
Unknown Soldier
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This has a valid theory behind it, we know that the Alliance fleet only left as a last-second support after they found out that people were already on the surface of Scarif and enroute to the Death Star plans. It stands to reason that the Allliance flagship had just left for Tatooine to search for Obi-Wan (mentioned earlier in the film) and was re-routed to Scarif instead to lead the Alliance fleet.
This however still doesn't explain why Leia escaped in the Tantive IV and decided to stop by Tatooine first instead of heading straight back to Yavin IV to deliver the Death Star plans. It also leaves a rather huge plothole where the Alliance fleet wasn't ever seen fully assembled until ROTJ in the OT, where the hell was the fleet in ANH?
No it isn't. It's martial, because it's Star Wars, but I'm not sure where you get Rambo 3 from that fairy tale ending.
Explained in the movie. Jedha was stated by the Empire to be merely the product of some mining incident I believe (don't remember specific reason) and the destruction of Scarif was only hours if not minutes before A New Hope so there isn't much time for word to spread across the galaxy.
bearythebear
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TFA has its flaws but it's stronger than Rogue One mostly because of the characters.
The Silver
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Didn't really like the movie, found it very boring as I didn't give a shit about any of the characters, they were nothing.(the droid and blind jedi being the only kinda entertaining ones) I probably cared more about those red shirts dying at the end just because Vader was so intimidating.(I really loved that Vader part though, perfect portrayal of him)
What would have made the movie better?
Flesh out the characters and their interactions with one another.
Theslammer
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Do tell us what she thinks of ANH.
Just got back from my first screening.
I'm in the same boat as a lot of people. I thought it was just alright. Definitely reeks of a movie put together as a stop gap (holiday fiscal filler) between VII and VIII. The characters were meat for the plot in the end. Vader was awesome but he was on screen for all of 4 minutes, tops.
I'm in the same boat as a lot of people. I thought it was just alright. Definitely reeks of a movie put together as a stop gap (holiday fiscal filler) between VII and VIII. The characters were meat for the plot in the end. Vader was awesome but he was on screen for all of 4 minutes, tops.
As one of those people who rushed to watch ANH after R1, it works from a story perspective to watch it in that order, but I wouldn't recommend it for new time viewers, because boy do you have to adjust your expectations going into a seventies space film. The whole final fight for the death star has some six x-wings, three y-wings and eight tie fighters. And awful cinematography by today's standards. It's still a great film (faster paced than I remembered) but you definitely have to think 'for the seventies' in some areas, and coming off R1, probably doubly so. Like why is the battle for the plans so much bigger than the actual battle..
MrS
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You don't watch many films, huh?
theCalamity
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This. Making the characters feel real would go a long way.
Bland and boring characters is not nitpicking. That's a major part of storytelling. The movie works for you, but it didn't for many others. You may not agree with their reasons, but you shouldn't dismiss it as nitpicking.
CecilRousso
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Large parts of it was destroyed at Scarif when Vader's Star Destroyer appeared. And didn't parts of it leave after the council, where they didn't believe in the alliance chances of succes?
And it made sense to go all in there, considering that the alliance was almost broken up at the news of Jeddah.
See above answer. and the fight to destroy the Death Star is a targeted operation against a specific part of it. Sending every single ship would just be futile. And from the empire's side, there's an arrogance where they at first doesn't deploy any fighters at all, but rely on the stations battle power.
Vampirolol
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It probably comes down to a matter of tastes, but I see your point, especially about the battle.
Of course better characters is almost always better, though Star Wars was never a character study film series, we actually spend a lot more time with Jyn Erso and her character growth than Luke Skywalker, whose background is kid watches a double sun, whops foster parents I didn't care for burned to a crisp while I was away, time to give my life to the rebellion. But it would really help if 90% of the people who gave reasons (and those are just a fraction, most of it is just drive by dismissive remarks), would show that they actually paid attention to the movie, because apparently for a one dimensional film they failed to pick up a lot of basic stuff that was simply in there.
theCalamity
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No one wants a character study in Star Wars, but they want good characters. For most complaining, these characters are boring, bland, and don't feel real. The drama between them is boring. They don't interact with each other. Like Bobby said, Jyn and Cassian mostly bounce off of each other while leaving the others out.
Tal Shiar Agent
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They don't need to interact with each other. They only know each other for a few hours before they all die.
I'm honestly a bit surprised that so many on GAF (or at least a few being loud) don't like Rogue One. Then again, there is a vocal group here who likes the Prequels. Rogue One was almost as good of a Star Wars film as Empire Strikes Back.
theCalamity
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They didn't realize they were going to die until they were going on their suicide mission. Even if it's just a few hours, they can and should interact with each other.
For me, and a lot of other people, bouncing off of each other would help.
talisayNon
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Kyle Katarn is still cannon in my mind =(
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I watched Rogue One a few days ago and this is my opinion about it:
Overall I liked the movie. The visuals are amazing and the story fits nicely in the original trilogy.
However, as stated by many here I couldn't make a real connection with the main characters. The movie could have fixed this with a few flashbacks.
Overall I liked the movie. The visuals are amazing and the story fits nicely in the original trilogy.
However, as stated by many here I couldn't make a real connection with the main characters. The movie could have fixed this with a few flashbacks.
So Rogue One isn't then? lol
Why does it annoy you?
No matter what they did here, ANH came first. So Rogue One is a retcon. It didn't happen prior to 2016. So the whole "that wasn't the case in ANH" is a "no shit" fallacy.
And I'd rather have a good film that retconned shit than a bad film sticking rigidly to ANH purely to match up continuity.
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The only issue which is a no duh thing is the pacing in ANH.
It's the first film with a ton of world building in the first act when they hit Tat. So it's much slower during this section.
Just feels slightly off after shitting getting real at the end of Rogue. That's to be expected though considering Rogue One was created decades later. Shit isn't gonna mesh perfectly.
It's the first film with a ton of world building in the first act when they hit Tat. So it's much slower during this section.
Just feels slightly off after shitting getting real at the end of Rogue. That's to be expected though considering Rogue One was created decades later. Shit isn't gonna mesh perfectly.
Because it fucks with A New Hope and creates incongruities in the story?
ScientificNinja
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My point is not to make a like-for-like comparison. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. More power to you if you're determined to dislike Rogue One, but movies like ANH, Rambo, and True Lies are ALL on the nose by today's standards.
The best thing about Rogue One that it reminds me to reread Scorchy's LP of Kotor 2.
Honestly I wouldn't feel this way if the movie is purely about the Rebel vs the Empire without that "The Force is With Me" bullshit thrown around by an almost irrelevant character.
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