Lets be honest. Nothing other than reputation pointed towards Scalebound being a great game. I like this type of game and would have loved to have played what we heard their vision was. But it also sounded way too good to be true, flying around on a Dragon in a huge world with big cites and monsters. But the gameplay we actually saw looked awful and ran like crap. It looked like a game that needed 4 more years and a complete revamp to be great and playable.
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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Lets be honest. Nothing other than reputation pointed towards Scalebound being a great game. I like this type of game and would have loved to have played what we heard their vision was. But it also sounded way too good to be true, flying around on a Dragon in a huge world with big cites and monsters. But the gameplay we actually saw looked awful and ran like crap. It looked like a game that needed 4 more years and a complete revamp to be great and playable.
Dude, what are you talking about? I'm talking about events that have happened many times. It's not about being defeatist. And once again, what they sign isn't really the problem, it's the fact that in practice what's on the paper doesn't necessarily matter.
StoppedInTracks
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Yes, why didn't Phil see this? They could just lose $3-$5 million on this game as an "investment" or sign of good will. And if it happened to be a success they would recoup the costs.
Don't understand this really. Must be some internal east vs west politics going on?
Crimsonclaw111
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If Microsoft ends up killing Platinum I will burn them to the ground.
And I thought the death of Ensemble was tough. Platinum would end me.
(not really, but damn... What a shame)
And I thought the death of Ensemble was tough. Platinum would end me.
(not really, but damn... What a shame)
Obscuritas
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People are really downplaying the next game made by Hideki Kamiya? What a fucked world we live in.
lol, where in the world did you get $3-5 million from?
just toss em a few bucks. send over a few interns
StoppedInTracks
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It's a blind guess. Random number < $10M.
That to me seems just as plausible and would explain Microsoft's quick and to the point PR response just as much. It's possible we may never know the full story here.
It's that "GAF" guy stirring up trouble again.
Not really though. It would go against everything both MS and Sony have said about the PS4 Pro and Scorpio and piss off all the Xbox One owners. Also a waste of money to even make a Scorpio only AAA game, when so few people will own a Scorpio.
It was a really low guess.
So you're saying they just shot themselves in the foot?
I was rooting for this game to come around.
But this story here really is bigger than Scalebound. At some point I'm questioning Microsoft's ability to deliver a diverse and exclusive games line-up. I'm not saying the Scalebound cancellation is 100% Microsoft's fault, maybe it is, we don't know, I'm saying I don't trust Microsoft anymore when it comes to actually releasing games other than Halo, Gears and Forza. If that is all MS wants to be than so be it. That makes me regret my Xbox One purchase and no way am I considering getting a Scorpio. What for? For Gears to look a bit better? 3rd parties won't care about Scorpio because why would they. Why should they allocate resources into making a Scorpio patch in this console race?
Just anything Xbox seems like a bad investment at this point.
I still believe they'll come back on this. Full compatibility with previous One games and keeping 360 library? Yes. But I can see them doing ecxlusives, VR games are going to be exclusive by definition. They have to let it go or accept low res games on the kne because 'we must also release on One'
Heavy's Sandvich
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all microsoft had to do was get kamiyas favourite coffee in the morning and he would have sorted the game out in 11 days.
Beating a dead horse, but backstage infos are already known.
LOL I think my feelings are clear at this point.
MS are fools and disrespectful to gamers.
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Big Green Anus
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Hopefully Square lets Platinum Games make a action Final Fantasy spin-off game. I can see that selling similar to Metal Gear Rising.
It doesn't really matter if a huge amount of people were excited for this. Microsoft's job was to make people excited and they just gave up, there was an audience for this game. It wasn't huge, but that shouldn't matter.
Sony have no problem making games for niche audiences that they know wont sell well enough to justify costs. Sony offer the option to people out there to play games such as the Last Guardian, Knack 2, Gravity Rush 2, etc. As they are offering a full package service to customers with a variety of games. Xbox has absolutely no variety right now in terms of future releases.
Microsoft would rather make a Crackdown 3 than a Fable 4 and that's all you need to know. Phil Spencer doesn't know what he's even doing right now and fans shouldn't be defending this, as it enables more failures like this to happen in the future.
Sony have no problem making games for niche audiences that they know wont sell well enough to justify costs. Sony offer the option to people out there to play games such as the Last Guardian, Knack 2, Gravity Rush 2, etc. As they are offering a full package service to customers with a variety of games. Xbox has absolutely no variety right now in terms of future releases.
Microsoft would rather make a Crackdown 3 than a Fable 4 and that's all you need to know. Phil Spencer doesn't know what he's even doing right now and fans shouldn't be defending this, as it enables more failures like this to happen in the future.
DistortionOfReality
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Don't have an XB1 but The videos I saw for this didn't look to be incredible. The scale and the graphics were nice though.
However, cancelling a project after this length of time seems like a serious misstep. Another 8 months or so, launch with Scorpio. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
But that's probably why I'm not in charge of massive decisions like this.
However, cancelling a project after this length of time seems like a serious misstep. Another 8 months or so, launch with Scorpio. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
But that's probably why I'm not in charge of massive decisions like this.
eot
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Gimme a break. I'm not even a big platinum fan, but Kamiya is one of the most accomplished game directors in the business. He might not be as high profile as say Kojima, but his track record is impeccable. The fact that you didn't know about this game doesn't say anything about the significance of its cancellation.
Earthpainting
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I was put off the game a bit when they showed the co-op demo, but Kamiya has never let me down before, and I had no reason to believe he would start slipping. A real shame that it had to go like this. I hope Platinum can score another project fast, because they aren't exactly a small studio these days.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I don't want to belittle the people who were looking forward to this, because it really fucking sucks for them.
However, in the cold light of day, how many people are truly disappointed by this? I'd bet the truly upset people here are outnumbered by people showing "concern" and "disappointment" who were never planning on getting it in the first place - if they even had the right platform to play it on.
It sucks. It really does. But it makes sense.
However, Microsoft are not blameless by a long shot. They should have killed this a long time ago, if they green lit it at all. Who were they planning to sell it to? Japan (whatsanxbox.gif)? The Venn diagram of Xbox owners outside Japan and fans of this sort of Japanese game must have an incredibly small intersection of people who see Platinum as industry darlings.
This seems to have needlessly cost a lot of pain and misery by insisting on continuing this fruitless exercise.
Side note:
I bet what really killed it last year was Microsoft demanding this be a Scorpio showcase, likely for no additional funding.
However, in the cold light of day, how many people are truly disappointed by this? I'd bet the truly upset people here are outnumbered by people showing "concern" and "disappointment" who were never planning on getting it in the first place - if they even had the right platform to play it on.
It sucks. It really does. But it makes sense.
However, Microsoft are not blameless by a long shot. They should have killed this a long time ago, if they green lit it at all. Who were they planning to sell it to? Japan (whatsanxbox.gif)? The Venn diagram of Xbox owners outside Japan and fans of this sort of Japanese game must have an incredibly small intersection of people who see Platinum as industry darlings.
This seems to have needlessly cost a lot of pain and misery by insisting on continuing this fruitless exercise.
Side note:
I bet what really killed it last year was Microsoft demanding this be a Scorpio showcase, likely for no additional funding.
In before "30fps rather than 15"
I never thought of it like this.
Mr. Smiley
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Why is there so much concern over people who were looking forward to a game?
marcbret87
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The 2015 showing looked quite good, even if the game was a bit "slow", but the 2016 boss fight really didn't do the game any favours. A boss fight that really didn't feel like one, with co-op elements that didn't quite seem to fit with the game initial purpose. In any case, it was a Kamiya game, I generally enjoy them and was looking forward to it.
They started and marketed this game as "hey gamers, here's Kamiya we just gave him a blank cheque"
Then proceeded to treat them like rats that had to fear their milestones and no room for any problems IMO
Pissed.
Newtype-001
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nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I mean, that's just unrealistic.
TyrantGuardian
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Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck. My most anticipated game in the foreseeable future. I mean, I already had zero faith in Microsoft when it comes to gaming, but I honestly wasn't expecting this at all. Most of all I just hope this isn't the last we hear of Kamiya, because that would be the biggest shame this industry has seen thus far. Fuck.
NumberThree
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Well seeing as this got cancelled, making kamiya available now, and seeing as youko taro is currently working with them as well, i think that after Nier:Automata is done and out in the world, SE, platinum, kamiya and taro should collaborate again, and using concepts from scalebound with kamiya as director and taro as writer to create Drakengard 4/Drag-on-Dragoon 4 or remake D1
Just a suggestion
Just a suggestion
Shadowheart
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I'm curious to know why instead of cancelling won't they just shelve it then work on it again later? I don't think it matters if it releases a year or so late, for example. It feels like a lot of work has already been done (unless the released footage was bogus). The Last Guardian did it.
Watch the presentation back in 2014 or whatever, that's how it was sold IMO as an on the fence console purchaser
That Lobb dude came out and decreed it a GOAT contender if things go well.
I wanna cry, goddamnit
DarkLordMalik
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Chaos2Frozen
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Last Guardian was a smaller project than this.
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