Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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Wishing platinum the best sounds like a bunch of shady shit on microsofts side but I'll reserve total judgment until the full story comes out but knowing past partners and the way Microsoft has treated them like trash wouldn't surprise me if something like this is a similar situation.
InquisitorAles
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Scalebound was very ambitious game and looked way too huge and hard to develop then previous Platinum works. If i'm not mistaken, that's also first PG open-world project with some kind of online component. If they were able to make good "linear" experience, that doesn't mean that they were able to do the same with bigger scale project.
You are trying too hard.
Eurogamer Spain a few weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/SejopO/status/818581880836603905
"Phil Spencer has a desire to cancel Scalebound that you can not even imagine..."
https://twitter.com/SejopO/status/818581880836603905
"Phil Spencer has a desire to cancel Scalebound that you can not even imagine..."
There we go.
Crimson_Gold
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"I want to cancel this game so bad that my dick's hard"
That's a play on a line from New Jack City.
I really want the fine details. This relationship deteriorated and likely became extremely toxic for all parties involved. Platinum will bounce back though
Prime crotch
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MS has been known for being hostile in occasions, but even besides that, I wouldn't spend much time defending the integrity of a big corporation, especially one with so many stories cropping up for the same issues.
InquisitorAles
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And he wanted to cancel it because?..
thunder_snail
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Just a speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if MS set unachievable deadlines and goals to void the contract on their terms. Sleazy, but business is business, and MS holds all the power over Platinum. It would explain devs (especially Kamiya) being extremely stressed out too.
breveglieri
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Xbox is doomed
And a lot of people like Phil Spencer, I never knew why
And a lot of people like Phil Spencer, I never knew why
No way, this must be wrong, Phil? No, not possible, Phil will never do that, probably a suit from the top made him do it but Phil will never cancelled a new exclusive ip, he is not that guy, he pushed a ton of new ips on his years as the head of first party on microsoft, games such as... mmmm.... mmmmmm.... oh I see...
InquisitorAles
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I'm not saying that there is no MS fault in this disaster and all responsibility is only on PG. I'm already said in this thread that i think they both fucked up with this project in some ways, and until we didn't have more details about situation around game, it's unreasonable to attack Microsoft like this is only their fault, like some people are doing here.
It was pure speculation.
Just make to much sense, Microsoft would cancel more Japanese games if they had more in development.
You habe a lot of fun attacking these strawmen don't you?
may be its "every cancelled game would have been consequential for the Developer at helm" and will end up badly. And we are talking about Platinum games here. People are outraged over TLG too and same thing applies here.
and yes
It Sucks.
For EVERYBODY
TheDinoman
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I think it's really unfortunate that people still keep lumping Transformers Devastation in with TMNT and Korra just because it's a low budget licence game when in all actuality it's way better than both of those games lol
Mystic_Wanderer
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All this baseless speculation colored by which "side" people are on is disheartening.
And MS making an impossible contract? Seems counterproductive, but still on PG for taking it. Don't wanna be forced to take contracts like that? Go 2nd party or make games that can sell.
And MS making an impossible contract? Seems counterproductive, but still on PG for taking it. Don't wanna be forced to take contracts like that? Go 2nd party or make games that can sell.
This is just speculation. He also predicted Switch calling it "Nintendo Vita", but again it was all speculation and jokes.
More food for thought:
What the fuck, really.
SplitYourInfinities
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Errrr, this is just speculation from a random journo (sorry Pep), are you really trying to get a headline from it? Some of you are trying too hard to blame Phil for this when it's clearly a decision coming from the top.
Okay, this is fair.
Ah but it looks like you yourself are clearly on a "side" here and want to just shit talk. Should probably take your own advice.
Psycho_Mantis
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The narrative that MS has become a potentially toxic environment for devs to allign with is one that I do not quite wish to believe fully, though the amount of troubles that have been mentioned by other devs is disheartening. A platform holder is a great thing for the industry, an injection of resources that should allow the development of teams, so seeing the very opposite is sad.
Quality is probably Platinum's biggest reason they continue to get work. Finding a new project will be hard but there are still numerous options for them to visit, including two other platform holders.
Quality is probably Platinum's biggest reason they continue to get work. Finding a new project will be hard but there are still numerous options for them to visit, including two other platform holders.
because my thread was closed, I'll put the OG messge here if people still want to talk about it:
As much as I like the way he speaks and give the impression that he's competent for gamers, his track record with the Xbox division is pretty terrible, I think people forget that he was already there when Mattrick created the OG Xbox One and I'm not sure he's working towards Xbox fans right now, he's probably trying to make the Xbox division profitable for Microsoft which is great for MS I guess.
Because sure, nothing wrong with that, I'm sure Microsoft, as a company, pretty like what Phil does for them, but as a gamer and as a past xbox fan, I don't think he's doing any good for us, gamer. What's happening now is the exact opposite of what I want out of a Phil spencer leadership
I remember when he became head of Xbox and everyone was saying how there'll be tons of new games, how bright the future would be with him because he was a gamer and bla bla bla and I was one of them, I believed in Phil Spencer too but the time has passing by and we are still in Mattrick Legacy, it's pretty crazy, we are still on the same lineup of 2013-2014, then he closed many studios including Lionhead Studio, Xbox Entertainment Studios, Ensemble Studios and many more, he still hasn't created a strong IP or any IP either, he cancelled many games ( Fable, Phantom Dust, Scalebound, black tusk game for Gears 4 ) and he closed Project Spark too... and he stopped doing exclusive games for the Xbox One...
I think Microsoft is transitioning all their games to the 'live service' model, they probably want their games to have long lifecycle, large user base, full of micro-transaction to increased spend, we've seen this with Minecraft or Killer Instinct, I'm sure Halo and Gears will go in that direction too, I'm sure Halo will go something like destiny, more in the online department and they will all run on Win 10 ecosystem, it's not a bad thing for Microsoft but what is it for us gamer ?
Honestly, there's a serious lack of single player story driven games for the console, Everything is literally MP focused and I'm not seing Phil doing anything to go against that statement, I'm not very hopeful for the future either, Scorpio won't change anything if it's just a more powerful PS4, they need to have real exclusives, great new IP with great single player experience, they need to have more studio and give to their "Big three" the option to do something else because Halo, Gears are dying, I think Microsoft should go fresh, rebooting the Xbox brand and stop working with Spencer and Greenberg.
They need to have an amazing E3, if not, well, the Xbox One division will be in trouble.
As much as I like the way he speaks and give the impression that he's competent for gamers, his track record with the Xbox division is pretty terrible, I think people forget that he was already there when Mattrick created the OG Xbox One and I'm not sure he's working towards Xbox fans right now, he's probably trying to make the Xbox division profitable for Microsoft which is great for MS I guess.
Because sure, nothing wrong with that, I'm sure Microsoft, as a company, pretty like what Phil does for them, but as a gamer and as a past xbox fan, I don't think he's doing any good for us, gamer. What's happening now is the exact opposite of what I want out of a Phil spencer leadership
I remember when he became head of Xbox and everyone was saying how there'll be tons of new games, how bright the future would be with him because he was a gamer and bla bla bla and I was one of them, I believed in Phil Spencer too but the time has passing by and we are still in Mattrick Legacy, it's pretty crazy, we are still on the same lineup of 2013-2014, then he closed many studios including Lionhead Studio, Xbox Entertainment Studios, Ensemble Studios and many more, he still hasn't created a strong IP or any IP either, he cancelled many games ( Fable, Phantom Dust, Scalebound, black tusk game for Gears 4 ) and he closed Project Spark too... and he stopped doing exclusive games for the Xbox One...
I think Microsoft is transitioning all their games to the 'live service' model, they probably want their games to have long lifecycle, large user base, full of micro-transaction to increased spend, we've seen this with Minecraft or Killer Instinct, I'm sure Halo and Gears will go in that direction too, I'm sure Halo will go something like destiny, more in the online department and they will all run on Win 10 ecosystem, it's not a bad thing for Microsoft but what is it for us gamer ?
Honestly, there's a serious lack of single player story driven games for the console, Everything is literally MP focused and I'm not seing Phil doing anything to go against that statement, I'm not very hopeful for the future either, Scorpio won't change anything if it's just a more powerful PS4, they need to have real exclusives, great new IP with great single player experience, they need to have more studio and give to their "Big three" the option to do something else because Halo, Gears are dying, I think Microsoft should go fresh, rebooting the Xbox brand and stop working with Spencer and Greenberg.
They need to have an amazing E3, if not, well, the Xbox One division will be in trouble.
lol this should stop.
Marvel
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There is probably a better thread to talk about the future of Microsoft Game Studios titles and the landscape ahead: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1331807
Weltall Zero
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Considering "the right platform" is simply a PC, your bet doesn't seem a wise one. Unless you actually believe GAF is populated mostly by people posting from their Macs and phones.
GeordieMark
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Whats the point in posts like this? We can speculate all day, but if you don't know what happened, you don't know. Pulling theories out of our arses isn't much use to anyone.
I get MS isn't particularly popular around here, but having been on both sides of situations like this I wouldn't like to assume who is at fault, if anyone. Making games is complicated, and there are numerous ways things can go wrong. The games industry is business, and in most cases, decisions like this come down to budget and cost. There doesn't have to be a good guy and a bad guy.
Ha what? Because one game got cancelled. Flawless logic there.
Looked like a shite game anyway.
So for 2017 we have the following xbox games.
-Halo Wars 2 (will be released 100%)
-Sea of Thieves (does not have an exact release date besides 2017 1Q)
-Cuphead (does not have an exact release date besides summer 2017)
-Crackdown 3 (does not have an exact release date besides holiday 2017).
These titles aren't big heavy hitters anyway, system sellers.
Even then look at this lineup. 3 out of 4 aren't even 100%. Still a chance one or two of them might be cancelled at this rate. This is the worst lineup I can think of in quite some time.
They should make an honest commercial leading to E3. Instead of saying the best xbox lineup of all time. They should be honest for once and call it ''the worst xbox lineup of all time''.
-Halo Wars 2 (will be released 100%)
-Sea of Thieves (does not have an exact release date besides 2017 1Q)
-Cuphead (does not have an exact release date besides summer 2017)
-Crackdown 3 (does not have an exact release date besides holiday 2017).
These titles aren't big heavy hitters anyway, system sellers.
Even then look at this lineup. 3 out of 4 aren't even 100%. Still a chance one or two of them might be cancelled at this rate. This is the worst lineup I can think of in quite some time.
They should make an honest commercial leading to E3. Instead of saying the best xbox lineup of all time. They should be honest for once and call it ''the worst xbox lineup of all time''.
Thanks, I'll post it there ; )
i've never understood why a studio would cancel a game this late in and flush whatever they've invested so far down the drain? surely it would be wiser to invest a bit more, and have a product at the end that you can actually sell? it's not like MS are short of cash.. fable was the same, last i heard that was practically finished and in a long running beta phase. what do you gain from cancelling that so close to the finish line? it would have made at least some money. maybe no broke even, but cancelling it removed any and all chances of making ANY money.
i'm not sure platinum need any good vibes sending their way either really. they'll be fine. they have their hand in a big release this year with nier and they have another 2 projects in-line for 2018. if anything getting out of what was clearly a toxic partnership should help them do their job better.
i'm not sure platinum need any good vibes sending their way either really. they'll be fine. they have their hand in a big release this year with nier and they have another 2 projects in-line for 2018. if anything getting out of what was clearly a toxic partnership should help them do their job better.
Sorry but I don't listen to anything this arrogant arsehole says who thinks he's god's gift to gaming.More food for thought:
I remember him mouthing off about this before, but in reality, it was him who was making the extreme demands to MS and wanted to be put on a pedestal.
If you've watched that indie video game documentary, you'll know what I mean.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Everyone has bills to pay.
For those talking about "speculations": They played a closed/private demo and they said the game is broken. I don't know about other media's thoughts, if they played also that demo. No information neither speculation. I'd say "prediction", based on their experience.
So, Microsoft was rough and PG did not satisfy the expectations, this is sure, but I still have a question, did PG force the cancellation?
So, Microsoft was rough and PG did not satisfy the expectations, this is sure, but I still have a question, did PG force the cancellation?
Mass_Pincup
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Phil is the top.
The higher ups at MS won't be deciding which project XBOX should axe and this type of things. They will most likely give guidelines and objectives of which Spencer will fulfill as he see fit.
-duskdoll-
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I thought the protagonist was obnoxious but it looked like an ok game with some cool ideas, kind of weird to outright cancel it. It must have been pretty bad behind the scenes.
Ban Puncher
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There are people who want to talk mad yang about Transformers: Devastation?
OfficerRaichu15
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Guys no need for the hostility towards each other.
We shouldn't be mad at others but be sad that a game like this was canceled.
Also apparently Transformers was a bad game....
We shouldn't be mad at others but be sad that a game like this was canceled.
Also apparently Transformers was a bad game....
Chobel
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lol
Mystic_Wanderer
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No side. I greatly prefer Sony but have to have my Forza. That's the only reason I have an Xbox. Nier is one of 4 games I will pre-order for 2017.
I'm just an adult. Don't sign a contract if you think it's unfair and can't do it. Want better terms? Create something consumers value. So, thanks but no thanks, keep your advice.
This guy from Gameblog claims there was dicussions between Nintendo and Platinum to have Nintendo buy Platinum.
https://twitter.com/JulienChieze/status/818748369006952448
https://twitter.com/JulienChieze/status/818748369006952448
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