Reggie: Switch matchmaking and lobbies handled through phone app
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Right. But the point is I don't get any benefit from using the app on my phone to manage everything.
Also, even if I did, data is at a premium. Why would I expend data on this shit?
I think the Joy Cons have a lot of potential. Nintendo probably wont implement them in any innovative way and just make dumb party games with them, but the potential is there. Being able to relax your hands individually without pointing at the screen with a dumb pointer is a big step forward for motion controls.
They'd probably work really well with VC.
I really wouldn't mind seeing Nintendo games on a Sony platform, but it's never gonna happen.
finalflame
Banned
Neat. I'm not sure a 9 year old should be participating in online play anyways, especially one who can't be trusted with a smartphone.
Ambition
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deservingly so
protomouse
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I don't understand where they're going with this. A phone app is not a suitable substitute for what should be system-level features.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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What? What are you even saying? It seems like you're working against your own point now.
Why couldn't I use that "Bluetooth headset I already have for my phone" (which I don't have by the way, but I'll play along) on my Switch? And have voice chat through my Switch? And how does this counter the fact that if one wants to play with headphones and voice chat they now need two headsets? And how does this roll back to the point of these features not being in the console itself is somehow a good thing? You're literally just saying things without a coherent stance at this point.
TheSpoiler
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I'm not being emotional. I don't think many people are. And it's fair to discuss the pluses and minuses of a system/video game/etc. Part of that is weighing whether or not it's worth it for you, and things change. If we weren't able to talk about this kind of stuff, what would be the point of forums?
Plus, people voicing concerns leads to changes. I would love to get a Switch, but the product's impairments are standing in the way, and most of them can be dealt with. I'm not the only one, either.
Not without a D-Pad. I don't want to use an analog stick to play classic 2D games that require D-Pad precision.
And the JoyCon is the only option in handheld mode. I really want them to make alternative JoyCons but they won't.
That's not for you to decide. Or Nintendo.
Truth. One way or the other, just detail the shit out of it.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
Well the data wouldn't be an issue. If you can only use the Switch on wifi when outside to play online, then wouldn't the same apply to using the smartphone app (wifi as well)?
Are you saying they don't have a smartphone because they can't be trusted with it and not because the parents think he doesn't need a fucking smartphone at the age of nine?!
The arrogance of your post is staggering.
What if by doing this it meant a lighter weight OS, so eg you had 1GB more memory for games, and an extra CPU core?
ZombiePlatypus
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It's weird af but we don't know yet. Let's wait and see before denouncing the thing.
Odds are they haven't figured it out themselves, which is even worse.
If the features aren't baked into the OS, I honestly think that's the reason why. Push all the social functionality to an external device to focus on pushing as many pixels as possible with the existing hardware without killing the battery.
Smart decision? Dumb decision? No idea until this thing rolls out.
Ask your mom... but seriously, I just like good games. The Witcher 3, Fallout New Vegas, Tales of Vesperia, Shenmue, Super Mario Galaxy, Odin Sphere, Uncharted 4, Gears 4 etc. but not that shit I listed before. I've seen posters gush over that garbage, and they have received entirely too much attention imho.
Yeah the Switch doesn't have a mic. :/
TheSpoiler
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So, first of all, the voice chat is for sure outside the system and relegated to the app. That's silly.
And secondly, it sounds like you can set up online lobbies, again backing what Reggie said. There's still a tiny big of wiggleroom in there, but to me it's more or less confirming it.
No, I'm saying even if I did have hotspot service.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Oh snap.
Newtype-001
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Why are you like this Nintendo
Dash_Riprock
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Wow.
The_Endgamer
Member
Sounds like the best option for when it's on the go... Pretty much works like a conference call at work...
Pretty fucked at home though... like why?
Seriously, this is gonna kill my data... most likely(?).
Pretty fucked at home though... like why?
Seriously, this is gonna kill my data... most likely(?).
Why is the ocean wet?
Oh, THAT'S what the "13" is for!
finalflame
Banned
But we don't know if it's "impaired" yet because there are no confirmed details one way or the other, except "there will be an app". We're all just making idle discussion over rumors or supposition rather than a complete picture of how the system works. I think it's more than fair to criticize Nintendo for the lack of information, but it's also doing oneself a disservice to dismiss the system before you have the full picture.
I'm not saying this discussion is pointless, I'm saying that if you still have some desire to own a Switch, there's not a reason to dismiss it until we have full details on how online works, unless you just don't want to support Nintendo's behavior on sharing information, which is fair, and you're free to only support those companies who's business practices you agree with. However, in a practical sense, as long as Nintendo shows how this thing works before launch, you're at no disadvantage and can still go pick one up that same week.
Or just put an AirPod in my ear, swipe left tap and good to go.
Or just use the Switch built in speaker for the game audio? You don't always need to use headphones to hear the Switch.
unless you buy $15 bluetooth headphones
Not a big deal 100% of the time, annoying yes, but there are workarounds.
ZombiePlatypus
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You can use all phone headsets universally on other home consoles for online play? Without issues?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Neither does a Dualshock or Xbox One controller. They all have headset jacks though.
And if PDP's actually selling a headset for the Switch, it has to have voice built into the OS. Otherwise it'd make no goddamn sense.
Wow, this sounds so stupid. Won't affect me since I refuse to pay extra for online gaming.
I want to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt, but they chose to inform in bits and pieces, instead of telling everyone how the whole online thing works on Switch.
Maybe this is just an optional thing, but right now it doesn't sound like it. This together with pay for online, one VC game a month, no media stuff or internet browser(though I'm sure they will add it later) just sounds like bad online experience. And bad news travels fast and stick in a lot of people's perception.
They seemed to have told all the "bad" stuff, why not just share how everything about online is suppose to work? Maybe most of the bad stuff aren't so bad after all. The longer they wait, the more people will think online on Switch will be crap.
I want to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt, but they chose to inform in bits and pieces, instead of telling everyone how the whole online thing works on Switch.
Maybe this is just an optional thing, but right now it doesn't sound like it. This together with pay for online, one VC game a month, no media stuff or internet browser(though I'm sure they will add it later) just sounds like bad online experience. And bad news travels fast and stick in a lot of people's perception.
They seemed to have told all the "bad" stuff, why not just share how everything about online is suppose to work? Maybe most of the bad stuff aren't so bad after all. The longer they wait, the more people will think online on Switch will be crap.
Memorabilia
Member
Let's not go there. This sounds as bad as the blind fan-boys defending every Nintendo fuck up.
As gamers we should all want Nintendo to succeed. A gaming world without Nintendo would be a sad one, indeed.
So, as someone who pre-ordered (2) Switches, (5) games, and a couple extra sets of joy cons with charging grips...I'm more than a little annoyed at how fucking *clueless* Nintendo seems to be regarding their customer base and the changing market. The console and especially accessory pricing, a pathetic sales proposition for paid online, the PR in general...and now this retarded mobile app online communication idea...all of it...has been so poorly handled it almost feels like Nintendo is trying to convince people to cancel pre-orders.
The only way to get them to take notice (a long shot to be sure) is to voice our displeasure with the direction they've chosen to go with this thing.
After the Wii U was a complete cluster-fuck, a lot of people who skipped it (like myself) have a lot of pent-up excitement/desire for a new Nintendo console...a chance to get it right this time. And the Switch does seem to have some pretty great potential. But I pre-ordered *in spite* of Nintendo's sales pitch thus far. That's an important point worth saying twice: I pre-ordered IN SPITE of Nintendo's sales pitch. Think about that for a second.
It's like they're doing everything possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Again. And it's really pissing a lot of people off, for good reason. We want Nintendo to succeed in spite of itself.
joecanada
Member
I hope this makes it onto an official Nintendo marketing sheet someday it'd look great on there .
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The Xbox 360 did party chat with a grand total of 32MB of memory being allocated to the entire system OS. The party/chat system itself only accounts for a portion of that. Memory is not a significant concern here. Don't forget that the Wii U dedicated an entire gigabyte to its OS. Hell, I think the 3DS even has more RAM dedicated to its OS.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Holy crap. So true.
Hell, I'd wager even older iPhone and Android phone users could end up boned.
Vampirolol
Member
Not a problem for me, I'll use that dumb app, but man this is really a "Nintendo living in a bubble decision".
The Switch is a portable system, though. Those are controllers.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
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GarthVaderUK
Banned
For use with the Switch app perhaps. Plug it into your phone.
TheSpoiler
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Opinions can always change. As I just said, I'm willing to buy it once it meets my needs. Rarely does anyone write off a system completely, and since opinions are subject to change, people end up buying a product or they don't.
And on the topic of confirming things, they just confirmed, again, that voice chat is smartphone only. I really don't think there's going to be a huge flip on half the things said by the PR people.I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, but the above doesn't install hope.
Nope.
The Switch also has a headset jack. So perhaps it's got a mic attachment as well.
Having a mic built in doesn't automatically spell doom.
I'm very much against not having voice chat built into the device since it just seems unnecessarily inconvenient.
I'm guessing they are doing this to try to weed out kids from communicating online. However, for the sake of both kids and adults, it seems like it would be much better to just have some kind of robust age verification system. I imagine this would require identification when using a credit card to sign up, or tying your Nintendo Account to Facebook.
This way, parents wouldn't need to worry about their kids being online, and older gamers could play socially in a civil atmosphere without some angsty teenager screaming racial/homophobic/sexist slurs at them every 5 seconds. Better yet, you could have custom online communities for certain age groups that might prefer dealing with like-minded people. For example, you could have groups for 30+ gamers who grew up on NES/SNES/Genesis games, or you could have groups for senior citizens where they can get together and socialize online in a more comfortable setting.
I must confess, I used to game a lot on Xbox consoles, but the horrid experience of dealing with people on Xbox live soured me on that, and was a factor in pushing me more towards PC/Nintendo. So, a system that could potentially make the experience a lot better would be appealing to me, at least.
Relevant comic:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming
I'm guessing they are doing this to try to weed out kids from communicating online. However, for the sake of both kids and adults, it seems like it would be much better to just have some kind of robust age verification system. I imagine this would require identification when using a credit card to sign up, or tying your Nintendo Account to Facebook.
This way, parents wouldn't need to worry about their kids being online, and older gamers could play socially in a civil atmosphere without some angsty teenager screaming racial/homophobic/sexist slurs at them every 5 seconds. Better yet, you could have custom online communities for certain age groups that might prefer dealing with like-minded people. For example, you could have groups for 30+ gamers who grew up on NES/SNES/Genesis games, or you could have groups for senior citizens where they can get together and socialize online in a more comfortable setting.
I must confess, I used to game a lot on Xbox consoles, but the horrid experience of dealing with people on Xbox live soured me on that, and was a factor in pushing me more towards PC/Nintendo. So, a system that could potentially make the experience a lot better would be appealing to me, at least.
Relevant comic:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming
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