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Colin was Right: Same Old Nintendo (Jan 19. 2017)

The Omega Man said:
Well Colin, come to NeoGAF, we have the most delusional defenders here, Reggie is nothing compared to what you can read here.
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Truth.

Nothing Colin said in this video was wrong (well, maybe the Skyrim: Special Edition...maybe, but good luck with mods.) Straight ether with Switch Online vs. Original Xbox in 2001. LOL
 
Muzicfreq said:
While sure the first year looks good but what about the next?
Development time and possible delays the consecutive years look dreary in terms of first party.
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What about it? It's January and a whole year of releases have been announced with more coming hopefully. If E3 hits and you hear nothing for 2018, I'd be worried, but for first party games at least, I feel you're being a bit unreasonable at this point and time. They weren't going to announce three years worth of games on the initial direct.

The launch needed at least one other big game and third party support is looking weak, but asking about next year already...seems a bit nit picky for a console that was just announced.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
"I was sniffing Mario's farts as a child" -Colin Moriarty 1/13/2017

The man was a gigantic fan of Nintendo pre-Wii era, and I think he's often stated his preference for the Gamecube over the PS2/Xbox.
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He even kept playing multiplatform games on Wii, fooling himself that it was better than PS3 and Xbox 360.
 
phanphare said:
Switch hardware seems good
launch line up is abysmal
too many ports
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin
3rd party support is critical to hardware success
EA announcing only Fifa is bad
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition (which is incorrect, I believe)
$70 Pro Controller is stupid
$80 Joycon set is stupid
$90 for a dock is stupid
online services are shit
people still care about achievements/trophies
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Can't disagree with any of this... but I'm still buying it if I can find one so that I can play BOTW.
 
Nairume said:
They just announced Fire Emblem for next year. Chance are we will be hearing more around E3, and they are also clearly holding back WiiU ports for subsequent years, rather than blitzing through everything this year.

It's really silly to already be proclaiming that next year will be thin.
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Is it silly?
Based on the wiiu history it isn't that silly even the 3ds has thin years
 
Unfortunately Nintendo haven't given us much reason to be hopeful, so the content of this video, however abrasively presented, is reasonable. I prefer arguments that are presented with caveats and outline how things could change, however.

And no amount of self-deprecation is going to make me okay with someone saying I'm buying a Switch because I haven't "learned my lesson".

marc^o^ said:
Same informations, much different tone: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EXV0lJiryJc

Arlo is love.
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+1 for Arlo. Quite a fan of that muppet.
 
Man the gaming times have changed, I do think the Switch launch offerings are weak but I actually laughed out loud when he used CoD and Battlefield in his argument agaisnt people who critique the launches for the PS4 and XB One. To me, mentioning those games is literally like speaking and nothing coming out of his mouth. Thats how much I dont give a damn about those titles. But to considered that to the mainstream tgise are considered killer titles is kind of mind boggling.

Thank God my son is falling in love with the classics.
 
Muzicfreq said:
And already they revealed like most of their heavy hitters for year one making me question how will the following year or 2 look.
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I really wouldn't say that Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, and Splatoon are "most" of their heavy hitters, especially considering one of those is a port and another is a cross platform title.

That still leaves room for Donkey Kong Smash, Pokemon, Fire Emblem (already announced),
and Metroid
as well as new IP, less prominent IP, and them doing other stuff with Zelda and Mario again.

Muzicfreq said:
Is it silly?
Based on the wiiu history it isn't that silly even the 3ds has thin years
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Yes

Based on the history of the WiiU and 3DS, we're already seeing them opening up with a stronger first year of first party titles, while still clearly having stuff their other teams are working on in the dock for next year.
 
phanphare said:
Switch hardware seems good
launch line up is abysmal
too many ports
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin
3rd party support is critical to hardware success
EA announcing only Fifa is bad
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition (which is incorrect, I believe)
$70 Pro Controller is stupid
$80 Joycon set is stupid
$90 for a dock is stupid
online services are shit
people still care about achievements/trophies
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Thanks, saved me a click. Don't like these guys.
 
GregLombardi said:
I am a PS4 owner since launch, and Playstation 4's launch was absolutely not better in terms of software than what is proposed for Switch. I would say they are equally bad assuming you exclude Zelda, which I think is an exclusion worth consideration.

ResoGun was literally the only game worth my time at PS4 launch.

As far as gamers are concerned, I totally agree with the following statements though:
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This gets brought up a lot but I'm not sure why it does. Even if only one game in the PS4 launch was worth your time, there were options, other games to be had. Now, if Zelda doesn't appeal to you what else is there at the launch of the Switch?

It's also not the same comparison anymore. The PS4 was competing with the Xbox One launch lineup. The Switch is now competing with the PS4 and Xbox right now, not what they had 2 years ago.

PS4 and Xbox launch had games. Maybe not games that appealed to you specifically but they had a bigger, broader list of games available.
 
McMoneyman said:
He even kept playing multiplatform games on Wii, fooling himself that it was better than PS3 and Xbox 360.
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Yep.

I get that people might not like his attitude, I get that people might not like his politics, I get that people might think he's overly stubborn, but let's not try to discredit his devotion and knowledge of Nintendo and Nintendo games. It makes you look ridiculous.
 
He has some good points but he also purposely ignores the fact that the year-long first party support is pretty good. In fact, so good that it's probably the best first year lineup for a system that Nintendo has ever had from a first party perspective. Saying there's only Zelda and then he has to wait 6 months for Mario and then who knows what is being pretty disingenuous considering they have like 10 other titles announced, most of which look pretty good.

On the third party front he's absolutely right. On the launch lineup front he's absolutely right. But their full year output isn't bad and he basically doesn't even mention it.
 
ClearData said:
I wouldn't say that. Colin was / is a huge fan of NES / SNES Nintendo games. And I think he still holds them in a higher regard then any games since that era.

Anyways, if the negative sentiment about the Switch is going to trigger you then don't watch the video.
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That's not the point I just think Colin needs to move on, the Nintendo he used to love is long gone and not coming back anytime soon.
 
James Scott said:
...does he mean just the one? (from Nintendo at least)
Also, the launch line up/first year is one of the better ones in recent memory.
Sure, Zelda is the only big game at launch, but between Launch and mario there's quite a bit of stuff to play in its first year (MK8 Deluxe, ARMS, Splatoon 2, FE Warriors)
Joy Cons are also two controllers in one...literally. Buy that and you're set for 4 player local multiplayer.
Pro Controller is expensive, though.

Outside of 2018's new/original FE, all the titles in the show were announced for year one. First 9 months.
There are around 9 confirmed first party titles for the first year with a few rumored like Rabbids Kingdom Battle and Pokemon Stars.
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he's referring to disgaea 5, I am setsuna, just dance 2017, puyo puyo tetris, rayman legends, skylanders: imaginators, and steep

https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/819788259379146752
 
SamNW said:
Mario and Zelda—no doubt very big deals. Splatoon 2 would be a much bigger deal if the rumors didn't more or less point to it being a small revision of the original. Beyond that, you have what, Mario Kart and Smash ports with a smattering of new content, a Fire Emblem Musou, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2? In the first 12-16 months of the console's life?

And the games are the best part of the Switch announcements! The rest of it ranges, at least for me, from "eh" to "Jesus Christ what are you doing?!"

Look, I want to love the Switch. I preordered one. But the more I think about it, the more inclined I am to sell it and wait until the first bundle or price cut.

Also, I am willing to buy into the notion that they have one or two more major announcements for 2017 up their sleeve, but I need to see them.
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I'm sorry, but I feel like the first party lineup is good for the first year based on what's been announced and I'm not even a huge Nintendo fan. Based on your statement, it feels like you are looking for excuses to downplay it. It's not great and launch is shit, but overall, that's a good bit of first party stuff and I'm excited for most of it. I thought arms looked dumb initially, but after watching people play it, I'm excited for that too.

I really don't know what some of you expect for first party releases for the first year. Every Nintendo franchise imaginable? I agree that Nintendo has screwed up messaging and pricing and can be criticized for a lot of things, but the yearly lineup complaints are a stretch as they seem more plentiful than the other big two imo. Nintendos only issue is a lack of third-party to compliment what they've got.
 
$70 Pro Controller is stupid,- $10 more than a ps4 controller with more technology packed in
$80 Joycon set is stupid -this should have been at least $10 cheaper
$90 for a dock is stupid - totally agree
online services are shit- too early to talk shit about something that hasn't even been fully revealed
 
R0ckman said:
Man the gaming times have changed, I do think the Switch launch offerings are weak but I actually laughed out loud when he used CoD and Battlefield in his argument agaisnt people who critique the launches for the PS4 and XB One. To me, mentioning those games is literally like speaking and nothing coming out of his mouth. Thats how much I dont give a damn about those titles. But to considered that to the mainstream tgise are considered killer titles is kind of mind boggling.

Thank God my son is falling in love with the classics.
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You may not like them, but those are what sell and move consoles. Snipperclips and bomberman probably won't.
 
Hard not to agree with mostly everything he said to be honest. I have a preorder too, and I've got a lot of money down on it, so I'm committed, but more and more I feel regret. At worst, I can probably turn it around for a profit at launch when consoles are sold out everywhere. But I hope between now and then they show me some reasons that I should invest in them again.
 
R0ckman said:
Man the gaming times have changed, I do think the Switch launch offerings are weak but I actually laughed out loud when he used CoD and Battlefield in his argument agaisnt people who critique the launches for the PS4 and XB One. To me, mentioning those games is literally like speaking and nothing coming out of his mouth. Thats how much I dont give a damn about those titles. But to considered that to the mainstream tgise are considered killer titles is kind of mind boggling.

Thank God my son is falling in love with the classics.
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Whether you care or not about those games doesn't matter. CoD and Battlefield sell. Madden and Fifa sell. People buy consoles to play those games on top of exclusives. This is about Nintendo appealing to the crowd that is buying consoles.
 
I think he's making the mistake of comparing the switch to X1 and PS4. Swich is a primary a handheld, that can be played on the TV, its competition is basically the Vita only.
 
His "if they had a more convincing hand, they would've shown it" point is kind of sketchy, because we KNOW they have more games launching this year that they didn't show and are likely saving for E3. Hell, they had a direct yesterday that not only revealed that FE Warriors is coming this fall for sure, but that a proper Switch Exclusive FE is coming next year. Both of those nuggets of info could've been in the presentation but weren't, and we'll likely see another direct before launch.

For better or worse, Nintendo is absolutely still holding some surprises back (some that were already spoiled by leaks)
 
jacks81x said:
He did if you've followed him since the Wii days. He famously defended playing Call of Duty on the Wii rather than on 360 or PS3. And Mario Galaxy 1-2 are two of his favorite games of all time. The end of the Wii era and the WiiU is what drove him over the edge.
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Sounds like a guy I can relate to. I also played Call of Duty 3 and World at War on the Wii. The pointer controls were awesome. The Wii was a fun time, for a while. Then it all fell of a cliff. Like every Nintendo system since the N64, really. And it gets worse with every new system.
 
Gleethor said:
His "if they had a more convincing hand, they would've shown it" point is kind of sketchy, because we KNOW they have more games launching this year that they didn't show and are likely saving for E3. Hell, they had a direct yesterday that not only revealed that FE Warriors is coming this fall for sure, but that a proper Switch Exclusive FE is coming next year. Both of those nuggets of info could've been in the presentation but weren't, and we'll likely see another direct before launch.

For better or worse, Nintendo is absolutely still holding some surprises back (some that were already spoiled by leaks)
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as a Nintendo fan I know this but I can't begrudge anyone for not knowing. not many others handle announcements throughout the year like Nintendo does.
 
Man I feel like by all logical estimates,the switch has no chance.

I mean,the PS4 alone is getting a massive amount of new games this quarter and three of them(Ni Oh,Horizon,NieR) potentially as good as Zelda.

This year's potential biggest seller,Red Dead Redemption 2,is all but guaranteed not to come to the switch either.

Unless some godly twist occurs,the switch actually is looking weaker than the Wii U initially did.

At least when the Wii U launched,the PS360 were kinda dying down,now the PS4/XB1 are visciously competing.
 
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