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Colin was Right: Same Old Nintendo (Jan 19. 2017)

I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.
 
I don't think his points are wrong but isn't the Switch going to get full Nintendo support? As in all future Nintendo games are coming to the platform. No more split between handheld and console? That's enough for me to get the system. But I can definitely see a reason to wait for Mario Holiday 2017 before buying. Then we'll also know what the heck Nintendo Online is and what you pay for.
 
Really? You really think that a game directed by Yoko Taro, another one by the Killzone dudes and a 2010's Team Ninja game are as likely to be good as a motherfucking Zelda game? Don't get me wrong, I think all of those games are going to be awesome especially Nioh and Nier, but really?

Lol.

NieR and Ni Oh have had extensive demos come out.

I have played nearly 20 hours of Ni Oh over tha alpha and beta.Its a game of superior quality,arguably even to Zelda's empty washed out fields.

This isnt the 90s.New franchises are where its at."Muther fucking Zelda,Mario,FF" are not where they used to be and up and coming games have overtaken them consistently.

the actual press conference did that among people who are on message boards that are increasingly removed from the direction of the overall industry. checking out reactions from influencers on youtube and press outlets and it's been far more positive. the price is mostly well-received (with the only people who don't like it begrudgingly accepting it), and people are wowed over zelda and mario. more than that, nintendo's trailers for mario and zelda are getting a ton of views on youtube - and that shouldn't be the only metric, but you can make a direct comparison to wii u reveal trailers and see that nearly five years later, the difference is vast.

I have watched a vast number of mixed reaction videos by Big gaming youtubers who justified their worries very clearly.

Its by no means restricted to this or that forum.
 
One thing I will say in Switch's defence re: 3rd party games, is that many people who buy Switch won't be doing so for 3rd party games. There are some gamers who will only game on Nintendo consoles no matter what the competition is doing, and that sucks for them that they miss out, but for the rest of us, we already own a PS4 or Xbox One (or both), so what the hell do we need Battlefield or COD on Switch for? Even if Switch got every third party game, I would never buy any of them on that platform anyway, unless I had a desire to play the game on the go or something, but otherwise, I would buy on PS4, and use my Switch for the Nintendo 1st party games.

I think maybe Nintendo knows they can't compete with Sony/MS in that space, and isn't really trying, and thus this is the result. However, they did fuck themselves in other ways- primarily the pricing model, online component, and lack of 1st party games in year 1.

But again, this goes back to what a multi-platform gamer will care about. I don't need 10 Switch releases to play because I'll have that many or more PS4 releases to play while I wait for Mario.

At the end of the day, all that matters is Nintendo staying relevant and continuing to produce fun games from their internal studios.
 
I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.

This isn't just a Nintendo thing, although they are taking the brunt of it at the moment. Same goes for Xbox and Sony too. The gaming community is one cesspit of cynicism and negativity and has done for a few years now. Not a nice community to be a part of anymore.

But yeah go on websites its mostly clickbait, go on youtube and its always problems with video.
 
Most of what he says I agree with but the pompous schtic doesn't help his cause. One thing he fails to take into account is that for the first time in Nintendo history, all software will be consolidated on one platform. So that guarantees at the very least that this will not be another Wii U situation. Also..correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most 3rd party developers just getting their hands on development kits? That can explain why 3rd party support seems weak for now. A little premature to declare 'same old Nintendo'.
Sounds like your faith is stronger than others man...
 
I think he's right. I.Get that huge Nintendo fans are still holding onto that hope, but the outlook is similar to WiiU here. For me it has cemented its status as complementary console to be bought down the line once Nintendo releases enough first party games to reach critical mass.
 
Is he reading a script? Feels so Unnatural
Colin is Right is a different format, its more like an editorial piece than back n forth discussion on PSILY.

Also, just because Switch can be a handheld too doesn't mean it's library is going to be dramatically different than WiiU. 3DS success is still very much to do with the strong Japanese third party support, not just Nintendo's franchises.

Software should be higher, but it aint like Nintendo sells 3DS by themselves and now all that effort is going towards Switch, you guys are being hopeful and giving Ninty the benefit of doubt.
 
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One thing I will say in Switch's defence re: 3rd party games, is that many people who buy Switch won't be doing so for 3rd party games. There are some gamers who will only game on Nintendo consoles no matter what the competition is doing, and that sucks for them that they miss out, but for the rest of us, we already own a PS4 or Xbox One (or both), so what the hell do we need Battlefield or COD on Switch for? Even if Switch got every third party game, I would never buy any of them on that platform anyway, unless I had a desire to play the game on the go or something, but otherwise, I would buy on PS4, and use my Switch for the Nintendo 1st party games.

I think maybe Nintendo knows they can't compete with Sony/MS in that space, and isn't really trying, and thus this is the result. However, they did fuck themselves in other ways- primarily the pricing model, online component, and lack of 1st party games in year 1.

But again, this goes back to what a multi-platform gamer will care about. I don't need 10 Switch releases to play because I'll have that many or more PS4 releases to play while I wait for Mario.

At the end of the day, all that matters is Nintendo staying relevant and continuing to produce fun games from their internal studios.

So basically people shouldn't judge the Switch on things Nintendo sucks at? What a flattering metric you've put together.

The problem with all of these benchmarks is that they're entirely artificial and, in the end, the Switch will be just another box on the shelf in the summer and fall, except one that's more expensive and only has a couple dozen games versus the hundreds of amazing titles on other platforms.
 
I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.

yeah I did think him hand waving Project Octopath Traveler was weird. seems like a game that would be right up his alley. a seemingly old school style RPG with a unique art style from Square. seems like many are just dismissing that game because it has a weird name.
 
Lol.

NieR and Ni Oh have had extensive demos come out.

I have played nearly 20 hours of Ni Oh over tha alpha and beta.Its a game of superior quality,arguably even to Zelda's empty washed out fields.

This isnt the 90s.New franchises are where its at."Muther fucking Zelda,Mario,FF" are not where they used to be and up and coming games have overtaken them consistently.

Good for you man, have you played Zelda? Probably not, but you already have an opinion on its "empty washed out fields" and also the fact that you honestly think that the demos you played are a surefire indication that these are going to be better received than the new Zelda (and I can't bold that enough because Zelda is pretty much the only sure thing in this industry regardless of what decade we live in) make it pretty clear to me I'm not going to able to convince you otherwise.
 
Nah. Didn't mean that at all. I just know that sometimes I'll use a similar thought process when trying to decide if I want something and sometimes I'll talk myself out of it.

I'm still not sure if I should cancel my preorder, all their news regarding online and apps isn't helping lol.
Gotcha. That's totally fair.

Oh, absolutely. It's incredible that they still aren't getting online functionality right. That won't be such a huge deal for me personally when I do pick up a Switch, but if I were someone who wanted to use a lot of that stuff on Nintendo consoles, I would have my head in my hands.
 
yeah I did think him hand waving Project Octopath Traveler was weird. seems like a game that would be right up his alley. a seemingly old school style RPG with a unique art style from Square. seems like many are just dismissing that game because it has a weird name.

He hand waves anything he isn't interested in, which supposedly means no one is interested in it.
 
If Nintendo thought that having Reggie casually slip out "do A, B, C online via a paid smartphone app" was the best way to quietly announce their plans for Switch online services, they are going to have a horrible, uphill battle with people.

People want to do all of those things on the Switch itself, not have to set the controller/ system down, and pick up their phone to do all of these things.

Beyond that, I think Switch will be fine.
 
I actually burst out laughing reading this. Good thing I wasn't drinking anything.
Just shows you how people have different priorities really. I look at purchasing Switch and playing a great game like Zelda and fun party game like 1/2 Switch as acceptable, but that's because I already have a main console.

I much prefer the onslaught of titles that released with PS4/X1 even if many of it was cross-gen games. Just like Nintendo, they're were some hidden gems in the first party stuff, Resogun, Infamous, and the wait for good titles were not as long because 3rd parties picked up the slack.

I dunno, I'm just not a fan of that release with a little bit of amazing software. I would have never bought N64 day one just to play Mario all month.
 
Switch hardware seems good - yes
launch line up is abysmal - sorta
too many ports - no
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.
 
I don't think his points are wrong but isn't the Switch going to get full Nintendo support? As in all future Nintendo games are coming to the platform. No more split between handheld and console? That's enough for me to get the system. But I can definitely see a reason to wait for Mario Holiday 2017 before buying. Then we'll also know what the heck Nintendo Online is and what you pay for.

That is generally true, but Nintendo is still releasing some 3DS-exclusive software.

Fire Emblem last night, Yoshi & Poochy, Ever Oasis, etc.

As far as Nintendo has said, those above and more are all only on 3DS.
 
It is scripted. John Oliver is the inspiration for the show.

Yeah I totally get that. There is John Oliver scripted and there is high school kid reading the school news scripted though. It's just my opinion on his delivery. Best of luck to the guy, but it doesn't flow well or sound good to me.
 
So basically people shouldn't judge the Switch on things Nintendo sucks at? What a flattering metric you've put together.

The problem with all of these benchmarks is that they're entirely artificial and, in the end, the Switch will be just another box on the shelf in the summer and fall, except one that's more expensive and only has a couple dozen games versus the hundreds of amazing titles on other platforms.

Agree completely, what they are doing will not drive maximum sales unless they can turn it around, but the specs in the machine alone hold them back from accomplishing the task of delivering a third party strategy like MS/Sony. I don't think they were expecting to be direct competition or they would have designed a more powerful box.

As I said, for people who only plan to play on a Nintendo, it doesn't look too good, but they will buy it anyway because they love Nintendo. For multi-console owners, we will buy it because we want to play Mario/Zelda/Splatoon, etc and don't really care that it lacks third party support because we can play those games elsewhere, with better graphics and frame rate.

So who does that leave that they are missing out on? I guess the consumers that have not purchased any current gen console yet, and are not madly in love with Nintendo. Well, yeah, chances are Nintendo will lose most of them, and their sales will suffer for it. But hopefully not so much that they wither away and die. All we can hope for is that they stay relevant enough to keep producing software, which isn't much of a benchmark, but it's all we can hope for.
 
Good for you man, have you played Zelda? Probably not, but you already have an opinion on its "empty washed out fields" and also the fact that you honestly think that the demos you played are a surefire indication that these are going to be better received than the new Zelda (and I can't bold that enough because Zelda is pretty much the only sure thing in this industry regardless of what decade we live in) make it pretty clear to me I'm not going to able to convince you otherwise.
aren't you doing the same thing with Zelda? You made it seem so absurd that Horizon or Nioh or Nier could be better than it?

Seems like both of you have your faith blinders on somewhat, but he did make an excellent point, the most popular and highest rated games don't necessarily come from the hardware manufactures anymore. also, there's been some 'ok-ish' Zelda games IMO, it doesn't have this impeccable track record. Ok if you think it does though.
 
He hand waves anything he isn't interested in, which supposedly means no one is interested in it.

but it's a game that's right up his alley, is why I say that. he should be interested in it.

Switch hardware seems good - yes
launch line up is abysmal - sorta
too many ports - no
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.

lol
 
Switch hardware seems good - yes
launch line up is abysmal - sorta
too many ports - no
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.

I care about achievements/trophies.... although I have no idea why ^_^;
 
Switch hardware seems good - yes
launch line up is abysmal - sorta
too many ports - no
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.
Ummm what? Many gamers still care about trophies dude, there's a giant GAF thread here about it.
 
Good for you man, have you played Zelda? Probably not, but you already have an opinion on its "empty washed out fields" and also the fact that you honestly think that the demos you played are a surefire indication that these are going to be better received than the new Zelda (and I can't bold that enough because Zelda is pretty much the only sure thing in this industry regardless of what decade we live in) make it pretty clear to me I'm not going to able to convince you otherwise.

I thought Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess were huge step backs from Wind Waker.

I havent made up my mind about Zelda,but I dont have unshakable faith in it.

And yeah some of the recent footage showed plenty worthy of criticism.I am tired of dreadfully empty open worlds which may very well happen in BoTW.

Maybe its different when you play it but this game clearly has shown signs of being stretched too thin just to appear big.
 
Switch hardware seems good - yes agree
launch line up is abysmal - sorta agree
too many ports - no agree
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no disagree. In terms of being more enticing to the average consumer, it was
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes agree
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes agree
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot in a different video i thought i remenber him saying the game looked interesting, he just hates the name
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably definitely
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no u out o touch bro

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.

7.8/10 best movie ever
 
Switch hardware seems good - yes
launch line up is abysmal - sorta
too many ports - no
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.

This is pretty much me.
 
I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.
yup, everyone sits around looking for things to hate, that's the reason for all this negativity...

Your idea of "decent" in regards to how many titles come in 2017 is obviously, wildly different than other gamers.
 
Lol.

NieR and Ni Oh have had extensive demos come out.

I have played nearly 20 hours of Ni Oh over tha alpha and beta.Its a game of superior quality,arguably even to Zelda's empty washed out fields.

This isnt the 90s.New franchises are where its at."Muther fucking Zelda,Mario,FF" are not where they used to be and up and coming games have overtaken them consistently.

i'm not sure what the point here is. neither one of those games will be an event level game like breath of the wild, nor will they dampen enthusiasm for it.

edit: oh, sorry about that. i thought you were responding to my initial reservations about your first post.

I have watched a vast number of mixed reaction videos by Big gaming youtubers who justified their worries very clearly.

Its by no means restricted to this or that forum.

and generally the people i've watched have been very positive about the machine. they're more excited about the novelty of taking it with you and such. i know jim sterling had some hot takes, and i don't disagree with some of the criticisms (weak launch, fucking weird-bad online plan), but overall the system looks so much better to me than the wii u that it makes people who claim it's going to be a followup seem like they don't know what they're talking about. i was around for the wii u launch and i remember how bad that thing was, including immediate reactions. what i remember most though was how people thought nintendo had a built in level of success thanks to the wii - which i thought was silly. i think it's similarly silly to apply that same logic to basically anything, including ds -> 3ds, ps3 -> ps4, and wii u -> switch.
 
Switch hardware seems good - yes
launch line up is abysmal - sorta
too many ports - no
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin - no
3rd party support is critical to hardware success yes
EA announcing only Fifa is bad yes
hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot
thinks Skyrim isn't the special edition - no
$70 Pro Controller is stupid - yes
$80 Joycon set is stupid - yes
$90 for a dock is stupid - yes
online services are shit - probably
people still care about achievements/trophies LOL no

7.5 out of 13. Needs improvement, see me after class.

  • Switch hardware is so-so. too weak to compete with the industry and mediocre battery. Concept is good but untested in public.
  • Launch line-up is not just abysmal, it's downright insulting.
  • There's no such thing as too many ports, but that's the shorthand when there are not enough original titles, which Switch does not have.
  • 3rd party is indeed critical
  • FIFA only from EA is indeed bad
  • Octopath Traveler looks cool
  • I don't know if Skyrim is the special edition, but it certainly looks like shit in the previews. Not to mention it's a terrible game and I'm rolling my eyes that Nintendo would act like it matters in 2017.
  • All the accessory prices are terrible
  • Online situation is terrible
  • People definitely care about trophies and it's embarrassing to not have that

Collin is pretty much on the money. He actually could have been way harsher. He didn't talk about how bad the presentation itself was and focused on the bad content instead.
 
I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.

For me personally, I was all in on Switch after the first reveal, getting ready to preorder it for $200-$250. Then after the conference, I was all out (almost certainly never going to get one). And it isn't just the price that drove me away. IMO it deserve nearly all the hate. Nintendo squandered their big chance already, and I'm clearly not the only person on the internet that thinks this considering most threads I see have a distinctly negative tone.
 
I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.

Unreasonable expectations mostly. There is hope that with each new generation that Nintendo will comply and react to the demands and desires of the most dedicated core, particularly in areas clearly lacking in years prior. All of this stems from good intentions as heated emotions and disappointment are fueled from a foundation of appreciation and respect.

When expectations surrounding the mystery of a clean slate mirror the same vision and practices the company has held for so long and not the whims of the fanbase, you get responses such as this. In this case, there are underpinnings(such as pricing) that do bely even the storied messaging that are worth arguing, but a fair amount of vitriol comes from a place not exactly fully to blame on the company either.

But don't confuse the heated anger with outright hate. Just mismanaged reality in most cases.
 
That's kind of weird, since it doesn't seem to be comedic.

It's not supposed to be comedic. Inspiration doesn't mean you're going to straight up copy.

Unreasonable expectations mostly. There is hope that with each new generation that Nintendo will comply and react to the demands and desires of the most dedicated core, particularly in areas clearly lacking in years prior. All of this stems from good intentions as heated emotions and disappointment are fueled from a foundation of appreciation and respect.

When expectations surrounding the mystery of a clean slate mirror the same vision and practices the company has held for so long and not the whims of the fanbase, you get responses such as this. In this case, there are underpinnings(such as pricing) that do bely even the storied messaging that are worth arguing, but a fair amount of vitriol comes from a place not exactly fully to blame on the company either.

But don't confuse the heated anger with outright hate. Just mismanaged reality in most cases.

The expectation for every product should be that it will be a high quality and competitive product. As a consumer I'm not going to congratulate Nintendo for something something a little better than the Wii U. If they can't fulfill industry standards, they don't get industry money.
 
He's not wrong, but God he's so fucking smug about everything. Also it's pretty hilarious to see a professional Vita fanboy calling anything a failure.

Truly. The smugness is just overwhelming. He acts like he knew this ages ago and just puffin on a cigar with a glass of aged scotch like "Per usual..".

The writing was on the wall that the Switch was Wii U 2.0 but portable. I love my Vita , seriously I do but damn calling out Nintendo is like calling out Taco Bell for causing diarrhea as if we didn't know the cause..
 
Truly. The smugness is just overwhelming. He acts like he knew this ages ago and just puffin on a cigar with a glass of aged scotch like "Per usual..".

The writing was on the wall that the Switch was Wii U 2.0 but portable. I love my Vita , seriously I do but damn calling out Nintendo is like calling out Taco Bell for causing diarrhea as if we didn't know the cause..

He spent the entire video talking about how he was wrong. Did you not watch it? He has also repeatedly lambasted Sony for their handling of the Vita.
 
When he says, "...we all thought Nintendo would change for the better..." who is the "we" he is referring to? Anybody who has been paying attention for oh, say, the past three decades knows exactly what to expect from Nintendo.
 
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