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[nightside]

I can see his points but still. I don't get the hate for the peripheral prices.. I mean they are freaking expensive, but for once seems Nintendo didn't cheap out on components. The motion technology and the rumble inside the joycons seems to be quite impressive (even though I still think rumble hd is gonna be useless) and there a (useless in my opinion) ir camera leagues above the wii one and closer to the one used on kinect.
The dock costs pretty much as what you gonna spend for a similar adapter, a 15v Usb-c charger and a hdmi cable.
Don't know, it looks like people thinks it's a given that Nintendo uses shitty components and shitty materials when probably this time it's not the case.

 

[Neonep]

Nintendo should have been clearer about their everything about the Switch. That way the info about the online came out was quite stupid. Also didn't like that they had all that time to focus on the joy con yet had no time to show the Mario Kart 8 trailer and release date at the conference. A lot of you guys are saying oh well we shouldn't make assumptions, well if Nintendo was clearer about this then there would be no problem.

 

[Neonep]

I can see his points but still. I don't get the hate for the peripheral prices.. I mean they are freaking expensive, but for once seems Nintendo didn't cheap out on components. The motion technology and the rumble inside the joycons seems to be quite impressive (even though I still think rumble hd is gonna be useless) and there a (useless in my opinion) ir camera leagues above the wii one and closer to the one used on kinect.
The dock costs pretty much as what you gonna spend for a similar adapter, a 15v Usb-c charger and a hdmi cable.
Don't know, it looks like people thinks it's a given that Nintendo uses shitty components and shitty materials when probably this time it's not the case.

There is no fucking reason on earth that a pro controller should be $70. Nothing excusues that one.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

I agree about the launch line up. Its not very good. Yeah Zelda will be great, however that isnt saying much when the rest is okay. I think the PS4 and Xbox One did have a better launch line up in terms of how many games there were. They had a nice large catalogue of games to play from CoD, BF4, AC4, Knack, Killzone and Ryse. The big 3rd party games were there in force and they had some neat interesting first party titles as well.

In launch window there was also some decent titles and off the top of my head Titanfall and Infamous were the ones that stood out. Dont forget the indie games either!

Like why does this thing have Rayman Legends? Its a good game for sure, but it released a few years ago and on Wii U nonetheless.

 

[Neonep]

Also, what is the confirmed launch lineup. I ain't talking that launch window nonsense, I'm talking about the day the console comes out, what games for it can you buy.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I totally agree with him.

 

[Metal B]

There is no fucking reason on earth that a pro controller should be $70. Nothing excusues that one.

It's $10 more expensive then the controllers of other consoles (offical prices). It also has HD Rumble and Motion-Controll in it. Yes, the pro controller is expensive, but still not compleltly out of the ordinary.

 

[Amneisac]

I can see his points but still. I don't get the hate for the peripheral prices.. I mean they are freaking expensive, but for once seems Nintendo didn't cheap out on components. The motion technology and the rumble inside the joycons seems to be quite impressive (even though I still think rumble hd is gonna be useless) and there a (useless in my opinion) ir camera leagues above the wii one and closer to the one used on kinect.
The dock costs pretty much as what you gonna spend for a similar adapter, a 15v Usb-c charger and a hdmi cable.
Don't know, it looks like people thinks it's a given that Nintendo uses shitty components and shitty materials when probably this time it's not the case.

Yeah, I mean look at the xbox elite controller, or even the regular HD twin controllers are MSRP $59.99. It's $10 more.

It's $10 more expensive then the controllers of other consoles (offical prices). It also has HD Rumble and Motion-Controll in it. Yes, the pro controller is expensive, but still not compleltly out of the ordinary.

I believe it also has NFC support.

Besides all this, all of my original Nintendo consoles STILL WORK years fucking later. I can't say the same for either Sony or Microsoft.

 

[Jumeira]

I was unmoved with thier initial reveal, don't know where the energy of 'new' Nintendo emerged from. There were posters in that Scalebound thread spelling doom for MS and the rise of Nintendo to take thier place with Switch. Remarkable. Utterly detached from reality.

 

[Neonep]

It's $10 more expensive then the controllers of other consoles (offical prices). It also has HD Rumble and Motion-Controll in it. Yes, the pro controller is expensive, but still not compleltly out of the ordinary.

What is so special about HD rumble?

 

[Kralamoonard]

I don't get all this hate. 2017 has a decent list of titles to play from N and 3rd parties. Is it just cool to find things to shit on to get clicks and views now?

How can he possilby speak ill of Octopath? That game looks awesome and it's from the Bravely guys.

yeah I did think him hand waving Project Octopath Traveler was weird. seems like a game that would be right up his alley. a seemingly old school style RPG with a unique art style from Square. seems like many are just dismissing that game because it has a weird name.

He hand waves anything he isn't interested in, which supposedly means no one is interested in it.

hand waves Project Octopath Traveler - idiot

"Whatever the **** Octopath Traveler is"

Here's a new game with a fresh vibe and he shits on it. He's 100% right everywhere else though. Very disappointing showing by Nintendo and it's disturbing to see just how tone deaf they actually are.

FWIW guys, I think you might be misunderstanding the Octopath hand waving. Yeah it seems like he's dismissing it, but I think he's referring to the actual name of the game, as proven by his reaction to it on the livestream and the post-reactions video, where he likes the concept of it (like one of you said, it's right up his alley), but found the name to be hilariously bad.

You mean the Easy Allies OT 2 thread, right?

lol it might as well be, with the amount of people saying they hate KF, or stopped watching it and prefer EZA

 

[Spades]

Colin is right on the money.

 

[ironmang]

My problem with the pro controller is it's going to end up being an essential purchase for me much like it was on WiiU. That dpad attempt is just not something I'll be able to deal with, especially if I start digging into VC again. At $50 I'd be picking one up at launch. $70 though I'm probably going to hold out for a deal. I still only own the launch controller for my PS4.

 

[Yukstin]

I agree with him on this. I can't justify spending $299 on the console, $70 on a pro controller and then $60 for just Zelda. That doesn't include the charging kit for the joycons or extra memory. There isn't another launch lineup game that interests me so then I'll have to wait until the holiday for Mario to come out.

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Amneisac]

My problem with the pro controller is it's going to end up being an essential purchase for me much like it was on WiiU. That dpad attempt is just not something I'll be able to deal with, especially if I start digging into VC again. I still only own the launch controller for my PS4.

You must only game in short bursts or have a long USB cable then, because I had to buy another one just because the battery life sucked so much. Having a second player was almost an afterthought.

 

[koss424]

doesn't matter anymore - Pokemon is coming

 

[Regiruler]

I honestly think Jim's video was far more on the money.

It's not that they haven't learned from the Wii U, it's the parts where they're going backwards that is really frustrating.

 

[Metal B]

What is so special about HD rumble?

Extreme sensetive rumble motors, which even can simulate a specific number of marbles and even bubbles in water rising up. This could allow for a great new way of subtle immersion technics.

 

[Mr T.]

I agree with him on this. I can't justify spending $299 on the console, $70 on a pro controller and then $60 for just Zelda. That doesn't include the charging kit for the joycons or extra memory. There isn't another launch lineup game that interests me so then I'll have to wait until the holiday for Mario to come out.

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

Yet I spent $350 on a Xbox One and $60 on the MCC. $360 for both Zelda and Switch is a bargain in my mind!

 

[Skeeter49]

Why does colin care so much about what nintendo does? He doesn't even like their games.

My understanding is he likes their software, but he doesn't like their hardware usually.

 

[Kralamoonard]

The topic is Colin's opinion so why shouldn't people talk about him?

You answered it yourself. It's a topic about his opinion, not him or his personality. If people want to rip into his character (not saying you, but other people have), then they can make a thread about how he irritates them, or post in the Kinda Funny OT community thread.

 

[nightside]

There is no fucking reason on earth that a pro controller should be $70. Nothing excusues that one.

I'm afraid Haptic technology costs a good bunch of money.

Edit: joycon and pad pro both have a nfc reader.

 

[RichiRamjag]

There is no fucking reason on earth that a pro controller should be $70. Nothing excusues that one.

Even $60 would have seemed more in line with other systems. I don't see why they pushed it that much more.

 

[ironmang]

You must only game in short bursts or have a long USB cable then, because I had to buy another one just because the battery life sucked so much. Having a second player was almost an afterthought.

I play plugged in most of the time since I'm close to the TV. I use it for both PC and PS4 though and play daily. Still I think my point is valid in that there's not basically a hidden day 1 controller cost for the PS4 like there is with the Switch.

In fact I think I've only owned 4 controllers combining PS2, PS3, and PS4. Had to buy a second PS3 controller because one of the buttons stopped working and one of the thumb sticks was super loose.

 

[drsoup]

I agree with him on almost all of this

 

[Skeeter49]

The only thing I disagreed with really is the Skyrim edition, since it's clear it'll be the PS4/ Xbox One remaster.

Handwaving the name for the Square game makes sense, we know fuck all about it, and it doesn't have the best name. By all means it could be a cool game, but I don't think it has a proven team behind it, and they just didn't show much, and a name can be a turnoff for some people. That said, it's not really Nintendo's decision what Square names their IP.

 

[cyberheater]

He's absolutely right and really puts in perspective how fucking out of touch and arrogant Nintendo is.

I really believe the Switch will Bomb and Nintendo only have themselves to blame. Either compete with your competitors or shut up shop and go home.

The only thing I disagreed with really is the Skyrim edition, since it's clear it'll be the PS4/ Xbox One remaster.

Really? Because at this point I really doubt it.

 

[viHuGi]

He's not wrong, but God he's so fucking smug about everything. Also it's pretty hilarious to see a professional Vita fanboy calling anything a failure.

He is a Vita fanboy? Why do people still care about him? Just let it be, he has the right to have his opinion.

 

[baberunisei]

Completely agree with Colin. Also loved his new show

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Just compare the amount of games(1st party and 3rd party) releasing on Ps4 to the amount of games releasing on the Switch.

There is literally no reason to buy this thing unless you want to play Nintendo games.

The thing is, I don't think Nintendo understands that just that their own games sell maybe 10-15 mil consoles over the years, but if the want more sales they need to offer more than just Nintendo 1st party.
Since they are not even trying to do that they are either okay with WiiU-Level sales or they still haven't noticed that 1st party just doesn't cut it, which would be a colossal failure of leadership.

 

[Neonep]

The only thing I disagreed with really is the Skyrim edition, since it's clear it'll be the PS4/ Xbox One remaster.

Please explain this one to me. How is it clear that it will be the PS4/Xbox One remaster? Did Bethesda say so or are you just making assumptions?

 

[Lilseb93]

Colin was pretty spot on here. Even if I disagreed with him, I think it's ridiculous how people have attacked his credibility in this thread. It's his opinion.

 

[Mr T.]

His opinions are well... his opinions.

To much fanboyism and not enough business train of thoughts. I give him a 4/10. Seems more like a bad yahoo article opposed to an insightful essay.

I really didn't watch the video. The comments were enough to get the point.

 

[schwabdizzle]

Considering the fact that purchasing a WiiU and BotW would be almost as expensive as Switch + BotW, you are probably right.

My buddy has a Wii U and he is still buying a switch to play Zelda at launch. I laughed at him.

 

[phanphare]

Also, what is the confirmed launch lineup. I ain't talking that launch window nonsense, I'm talking about the day the console comes out, what games for it can you buy.

Breath of the Wild, 1 2 Switch, Bomberman R, I Am Setsuna, Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth Plus. not sure what else beyond that.

FWIW guys, I think you might be misunderstanding the Octopath hand waving. Yeah it seems like he's dismissing it, but I think he's referring to the actual name of the game, as proven by his reaction to it on the livestream and the post-reactions video, where he likes the concept of it (like one of you said, it's right up his alley), but found the name to be hilariously bad.

yeah that's what I said in my post

Really? Because at this point I really doubt it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1334028

 

[RichiRamjag]

My buddy has a Wii U and he is still buying a switch to play Zelda at launch. I laughed at him.

Maybe he wants to play it on the go go go!

If I keep my preorder, I was tempted to go switch for that reason alone.

 

[pizzaparty]

Finally, someone brave enough to criticize the Switch announcement.

 

[BlastProcessing]

What is so special about HD rumble?

Rumble has used the same basic technology since the N64. A motor spins an unbalanced weight.

Something like this:

The Switch uses linear actuators. This is what Apple uses for their taptic engine stuff and what Valve uses in the Steam controller. Something like this:

A linear actuator is basically a weight on a piston. It functions similarly to a speaker but instead of moving a driver, you move a weight. Rumble motors are pretty clumsy and are limited in the vibrations they create because you can't get very granular with the signals.

With a linear actuator you can create a much larger number of clicks, thumps and vibrations. If you use the clickpad on an Apple laptop you would swear that the button clicks when you press down, but the sensation is 100% created by the rumble, the pad doesn't move.

 

[Conan-san]

So is Nintendo Switch the new SAO?

And if so can I enjoy that in peace or is the warbling anus parade just gonna double shit from now on?

 

[Raven117]

Nothing about what he is saying is wrong.

But ya know...This is something I've been wanting from Nintendo for awhile.

If they do indeed want it to be a hyrbid to take the place of both the Home and handhelds, then I think they have given us a solid piece of hardware to do that.

(Some analyst said that this thing has essentially a price cut built in by not shipping it with a dock station. thus making it truly a 3DS successor...makes sense really).

I know people are bitching about paying for online (don't blame them)...and alot of other issues...Which is fair....I guess, just for me...If they are goign to give me a fancy shmancy 3DS that I can now dock and play the mainline Zelda's along with the usual quirky and smaller hand held games....well....I'll fork out that 300 bucks.

So long as the smaller developers can make games that usually appeared on handhelds, but they can make it work for the Switch, then I'm 100% on board.

 

[Dekuboy]

too many ports
X1 and PS4 launch line ups were actually good, despite spin

aaaaand opinion discarded.

If the Switch would get RE7, Nier and other games, day one people would still cry about the facts that they are ports.

Also X1 and PS4 nice launch..yeah, knack and Killzone and your annual installment of ...

 

[Souzetsu]

Right now the online doesn't sound promising. The fact that you have to use your phone is pretty stupid. I don't think it is fair to complain now. When Nintendo formally announces all of the features, then we can complain. RIght now everything is based on hearsay and not a lot of information. One positive thing is Nintendo has said that Virtual Console purchases are going to be tied to our Nintendo account. That's a start.

I agree with the bulk of what you said, but this is where I cannot agree. Nintendo is being very vague about their online plans and if people don't like what they are hearing now, they should let them know. Of course, they could have more information that can make their plans more appealing, but it's on them to make those plans known. As we have seen with region-locking, if we complain enough, change can be made.

 

[VegaShinra]

There is no fucking reason on earth that a pro controller should be $70. Nothing excusues that one.

Why does a DualShock 4 cost $60? No excuses for that one. All accessories are priced too high across all platforms. It's not exclusive to the Switch's Pro Controller.

 

[Neonep]

Breath of the Wild, 1 2 Switch, Bomberman R, I Am Setsuna, Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth Plus. not sure what else beyond that.

That's a poor ass launch lineup.

 

[Souzetsu]

A linear actuator is basically a weight on a piston. It functions similarly to a speaker but instead of moving a driver, you move a weight. Rumble motors are pretty clumsy and are limited in the vibrations they create because you can't get very granular with the signals.

With a linear actuator you can create a much larger number of clicks, thumps and vibrations. If you use the clickpad on an Apple laptop you would swear that the button clicks when you press down, but the sensation is 100% created by the rumble, the pad doesn't move.

I have to admit, Apple's Taptic Engine is really nice IMO. The MacBook trackpad clicking feels like the real deal. The iPhone 7's home button, while not perfectly imitating a home button, works well enough that I don't miss the old home button (Also, I don't have to worry about it wearing out the home button after a lot of use). I would like to see how HD rumble works.

Also, if the NFC in the Joy-Con and Pro controller allow me to pay with NFC contactless (Apple Pay/Android Pay) then it's worth it. The feature was done on the Wii U in Japan, but I'm not having my hopes up for the Switch to have it just yet.

 

[Jetman]

aaaaand opinion discarded.

If the Switch would get RE7, Nier and other games, day one people would still cry about the facts that they are ports.

Also X1 and PS4 nice launch..yeah, knack and Killzone and your annual installment of ...

I had a lot of different stuff to play on my PS4 at launch day. A few that either I couldn't play on other systems (and some that were better visual ports) which was justification enough to buy one. That AND I didn't have to wait for 9 months after launch to play something else on it. (Splatoon 2 isn't a system seller for me. I'd be holding out for Mario like a lot of people)

 

[Tizoc]

The Cheevo/Trophy part is something that didn't sit well with me in the video.
On the one hand I get what he means despite personally not seeing Cheevos and Trophies to be that big a deal.

 

[nightside]

aaaaand opinion discarded.

If the Switch would get RE7, Nier and other games, day one people would still cry about the facts that they are ports.

Also X1 and PS4 nice launch..yeah, knack and Killzone and your annual installment of ...

I guess nobody expected exclusives or new IPs from third parties. Sure the support at launch is beyond lackluster (I hoped for more, not much but more none the less) but still not surprising.

 

[Tratorn]

I have to agree with pretty much everything. I'll still get the Switch at launch because of Zelda and XB2 seemingly isn't too far away as well, but there are a lot of disappointing things about this device.

 

[Dekuboy]

I had a lot of different stuff to play on my PS4 at launch day. A few that either I couldn't play on other systems (and some that were better visual ports) which was justification enough to buy one. That AND I didn't have to wait for 9 months after launch to play something else on it. (Splatoon 2 isn't a system seller for me. I'd be holding out for Mario like a lot of people)

And the only Game I want to play on the ps4 is Bloodborne and Nier:A(if no pc). The only thing I would regret not having a ps4 is because of KH.
But the only thing I want to know about KH is the story, so watching a walkthrough will be enough.
While on the other hand I want to play(not only see the story, or graphics or whatever just play) Zelda, Disgaea 5(yes I know ps4 port bla bla, but complete edition and I don´t have a ps4), Mario, Splatoon2 and probably other games which will be announced.

Also are there really people who think that if someone buys a switch, without owning a wiiu, that he will not buy zelda as the only game?

Also ps4 launched in fall, where most of the games come out, switch in march. If switch would now get games like "cod infinite warfare","bf1" people would still say "why are there only ports"