Wonder Woman Is a Disjointed Disaster (Says DC Insider)
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BadAss2961
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So BvS is too masculine now?
Lame.
Lame.
Gordon Shumway
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lol..Wrong thread?
Lol saw woman in the title and figured I was in the right place. Trying to quick post as I'm on the move!
theCalamity
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This movie, in which the main moral conflict between two characters is solved by the unrelated utterance of their mothers' names (which happen to be the same), is just too smart for you people.
Gordon Shumway
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Figured as much..😁
Well at least the guys over at CinemaSins won't be saying "scene does not contain a lap dance" once they make a video about Wonder Woman./s
Sometimes when you bring something about a movie you get insulted for no reason.
Is really sad.
theCalamity
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That's when I knew folks crossed into the twilight zone. The point of no return when people resort to "Everyone who doesn't like what I like is just stupid".
We talkin bout comic book movies. It. Ain't. That. Serious.
theCalamity
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To Bleepey, BvS is an IQ test. He's scoring us on how much we get this film, in which Lex Luthor Jr. leaves a jar of piss on a table and feeds jolly ranchers to someone.
Probably because when somebody makes a salient case for the movie it's immediately dismissed with memes and jokes about Martha. Specifically regarding Martha, there's a really strong case for why that moment hits some people hard and, yet, it's disregarded by the majority as being too stupid to have any merit. You can't really have a conversation about it without somebody budding in and talking shit.
I mean, it is what it is. Some people want to elevate the discussion beyond mere script talk but most people just want to shoot the shit and talk about Hollywood movies like the disposably bubble gum it is. There's no strong desire for something a little richer. That's fine.
I don't know what your experiences are talking BvS with people, but I know for a fact that in the conversations I've had, vast swaths of them missed the point. I wouldn't go as far as to say the movie is too smart for them, but they're probably not used to having to extrapolate so much from a superhero movie. BvS is pretty damn complicated. I don't blame people for not getting it.
Shit, you think I understood Blade Runner the first time I saw it? Or The Assassination of Jesse James? It's certainly possible for a movie to go over your head. Whether this movie is one of those, I don't really know. Everything hit me the way it should have the first time I saw it I think.
Hopefully what I wrote can give you a better understanding of the frustration some people feel when this movie gets torn to shreds.
theCalamity
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Because it shows that all you have to do in order to stop batman is to just say Martha.
What is complicated about BvS?
Boi, did you just compare Batman vs Superman to one of the greatest films of all time, Blade Runner. Did dis dude just do this? Seriously?
The movie isn't complicated. At all. The Ultimate Cut isn't complicated at all. Batman vs Superman isn't some intelligent movie that shits on every other superhero movie. It is not rich, it is not complex, it is none of that. It is basic really. People aren't too dumb to understand a basic ass shitty movie. I hope you get that. You can like it, but acting as if the movie is too smart for people? Nah son, get the fuck off of our broken high horse.
Eppy Thatcher
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LoL holy fuck....now I KNOW you're taking the piss.
Do people really have so much personally invested in BVS that they have to try this kind of bending over double backwards gymnastics? It's ok to just say "well I liked it."...you don't have to qualify that feeling by turning a film into something it's not in your mind.
Fuckin BVS and blade runner in the same sentence. Stahp.
I'll defend the Martha scene, it's Bruce realizing that Superman is kinda human. He has a mother, he has a person close to him he needs to save. He feels emotions, he is not some emotionless terminator. He is like us. That scene isn't what's wrong with the movie.
Dash_Riprock
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If that was your best shot I would hate to see your worst.
theCalamity
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If that scene was played a different way, I would agree with you. But Batman doesn't have a realization that Superman has a mother. Batman just gets a traumatic episode triggered by "Martha" and then he is buddy-buddy with Superman. It's missing a key moment and fails, so we end up with Batman's safe word being Martha.
I have to assume this is sarcasm.
I can't believe that's even a thing. I haven't seen the extended cut though. But I thought BvS was literally worse than Superman III. Like, actually less watchable. The dialog is bad the first time around, but on a second watch it's excruciating.
And MoS is actually one of my favorite superhero movies, so I'm already on a fringe.
If that was your best shot that's pitiful bruh
I'll go out on a limb and defend Ninjimbo's statements a little. His argument wasn't "Bladerunner is as good as BvS" or as complex or anything like that. Merely that people sometimes need to give something a second thought before they get it. And no matter how simple you may think something is, this is always, always true.
I haven't seen his arguments in defense of BvS (or if I have, I've forgotten them), but the film personally hit him in the right way. Again, this is fine. Pacific Rim hit me emotionally with no irony because of the time and place I was at that time in my life, and I wouldn't argue that film was complex or that people don't see it's brilliance...just that it was the right movie at the right time for me.
It's stupid to attack every BvS fan out there. Bleepey is a special case because he walks around farting and then telling everyone how wonderful it smells and how they should just learn to appreciate his farts. But there's no sense in being aggressive by default to everyone out here to the point of dismissing any argument they provide.
I haven't seen his arguments in defense of BvS (or if I have, I've forgotten them), but the film personally hit him in the right way. Again, this is fine. Pacific Rim hit me emotionally with no irony because of the time and place I was at that time in my life, and I wouldn't argue that film was complex or that people don't see it's brilliance...just that it was the right movie at the right time for me.
It's stupid to attack every BvS fan out there. Bleepey is a special case because he walks around farting and then telling everyone how wonderful it smells and how they should just learn to appreciate his farts. But there's no sense in being aggressive by default to everyone out here to the point of dismissing any argument they provide.
Good post.
Dash_Riprock
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I like how you just ignore how he calls anyone who doesn't agree with him stupid. Why should I debate a jerk like that, especially for a subject as unimportant as a bad comic book movie?
Thought you talking about Bleepy, nevermind.
When the hell did Ninjimbo call anyone stupid in that post?
This isn't my first time interacting with Ninjimbo about BvS so I got history there. But to evoke Blade Runner and argue that the movie is possibly too complex? Nope. You yourself say you wouldn't say Pacific Rim is complex but it hit you. That's fine. But if you said audiences didn't get the value of Pacific Rim and it takes multiple viewings to get the complexity of it, I'd be going after you too.
You can like what you like, but say some dumb shit and people will hound you.
theCalamity
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It's fine to like bad movies. I love some movies even though they have a tremendous amount of faults, but I don't go around and tell people that they're stupid for not liking Smokin' Aces or Avatar.
Well, what I mean is that people get SOMETHING out of multiple viewings. In my life experience, people should read every book, watch every show, every movie, every story they wish to truly understand atleast twice. Doesn't matter if they love it, doesn't matter if they hate it. There is almost always a greater understanding to be gotten out of a story from multiple viewings.
In that sense, I'm not arguing that PR is a complex film, but yeah, you might get more out of it watching it a second time. Or you might not, that's also a possibility.
The reason he probably invoked Blade Runner because almost everyone gets more out of that particular movie on multiple viewings, and when you are trying to make a point, you use extreme examples to make it. Like I said, I don't think his point was that Blade Runner was comparable to BvS in quality or complexity.
theCalamity
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Clearly you don't know what the symbolism of the Jaegers displacing ocean water means.
thehypocrite
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So you interpreted as if it were 50 shades of gray but that somehow it's the movies fault?
I agree with you on the watching or whatever more than once. It's how I review music. It might mean I have to listen to something I hate multiple times, but hey.
I still don't know about that Blade Runner comparison. Saying, you think people understood Blade Runner the first time is fine. I don't think it's fine when we are talking about Batman vs Superman. A movie that I myself have watched twice and it is not complex. It is not thought provoking. I did not leave trying to understand something. That was an overly extreme example that failed
I don't have any problem with Batman's reaction to the name, the problem I have with it is, why in the fuck would Supes even bother saying the name in the first place? How many people refer to their parents by name in conversation? "He's got my mother" is what would actually have come out of his mouth.
Snyder does okay if you hand him the blueprints and just tell him to follow them. But he's not particularly good at coming up with the blueprints on his own, and it's amazing that WB/DC haven't picked up on that fact yet.
BlackGoku03
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Yeah that's a new one.
Messofanego
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Totally agreed. This was my problem with Watchmen and Sucker Punch. Dude is worse than Michael Bay.
At least Micheal Bay did Pain & Gain and 13 Hours recently in-between Transformers and they were pretty fun movie.
get off you high horse
Superhero threads never die.
What high horse? The fact I disagree with a someone for trying to say Batman vs Superman is some complex ass movie when it's not?
theCalamity
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They come back twisted and more powerful like Doomsday
I think the only way we'll know if Wonder Woman is a true success is by the memes she brings.
BvS memes are almost all designed to mock the movie itself.
Marvel memes just tend to be multipurpose jokes that happen to originate with the movies.
May Wonder Woman gives us the benevolent memes we need.
BvS memes are almost all designed to mock the movie itself.
Marvel memes just tend to be multipurpose jokes that happen to originate with the movies.
May Wonder Woman gives us the benevolent memes we need.
Gordon Shumway
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A three syllable phrase for any thread too big for little minds..☕
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True measure of succes are memes. I agree.
DCEU and MCU combined don't have shit on Nolan.
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