I don't refuse to play games on the PC. Occasionally it's the only way to play a well-received title and I do so. I just don't find it as convenient as a console. Everyone has repeated the same contributing factors over and over again, but for some reason they're ignored or disbelieved.
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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No sane person is disputing that, what most people have a problem with is the daft exaggerations like: no controllers for PC, no couch, yearly upgrades, malware by the boatload, configfiles, daily manual driver upgrades, hackers, etc...
Saying stuff like the ones I mentioned is as dumb as saying that sub 1080p gives me diahrea. Not true and not helping anyone on the fence about these things.
EdwardTeach
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That is all a matter of taste. Games like the total war series, Football Manager and some of the Paradox titles (e.g crusader kings) generate revenues (sales + dlc) in excess of many console exclusives.
Atraveller
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Thought you guys don't like downloading new driversFrom the main page:
WARNING: Don't update your NVIDIA drivers, breaks memory speed, more
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315176
PC hardware requirements are a mess and need to be rethought
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337346
Just putting it out there
PetriP-TNT
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You are right, that does sound dumb as hell.
LordRaptor
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From the main page:
WARNING: Don't update your NVIDIA drivers, breaks memory speed, more
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315176
PC hardware requirements are a mess and need to be rethought
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337346
Just putting it out there
If your knowledge of a subject is based entirely on news headlines, sure, whatever.
I have to question the value of such a persons opinions on any given subject matter though.
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Nobody is scaring people away from PCs, they're explaining why they choose to game elsewhere thus answering the OP's question. In doing so they're being told these things haven't happened since the 90's or that they're making them up or that they're spreading misinformation. Yet here the very issues cited in this thread are on the front page.
I'm guessing these threads were made as a place to share and celebrate the fact the problems of the 90's are over.
Why do you get so defensive? And uhm, those threads are for discussing game performance on different hardware configurations. People like to know how to get the most out of their game. A PC performance thread is not required to make a game run. I'm guessing you already knew that.
And yes saying shit like "I don't wanna spend 2000 dollars every two years upgrading" is trying to scare someone away, if not anyone else but themselves.
Again, convinience and and preference are great reasons to choose a console, some of the things in this thread are not.
Edit: I'd add simplicity to that list as well.
And yes saying shit like "I don't wanna spend 2000 dollars every two years upgrading" is trying to scare someone away, if not anyone else but themselves.
Again, convinience and and preference are great reasons to choose a console, some of the things in this thread are not.
Edit: I'd add simplicity to that list as well.
PetriP-TNT
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Nobody is scaring people away from PCs, they're explaining why they choose to game elsewhere thus answering the OP's question. In doing so they're being told these things haven't happened since the 90's or that they're making them up or that they're spreading misinformation. Yet here the very issues cited in this thread are on the front page.
I'm guessing these threads were made as a place to share and celebrate the fact the problems of the 90's are over.
The threads are made so people can compare their performance, check if they can run the game on their hardware, share configurations to get the most of the game and just boast how well the game runs on their PCs. Plus obviously as a warning sign if the game runs badly, which it might. They are very useful, multipurpose thread.
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You're generalizing both sides of the discussion. People blithely exaggerate aspects of owning and using a PC pretty often. Some PC gamers get way too overzealous in their defense of the platform or in trying to convince people that PC gaming is the way to go. Some also just want to dispel those ideas about the platform that reach too far, and sometimes they take it past the point of recognizing that - yeah, someone may be off base about how they describe using a PC, but it's still their personal reasoning for not using a PC, which is what this thread asks to begin with. It's still worth challenging those viewpoints when they're posited as being the normal way of things, rather than just an opinion on the matter that applies to that specific person. It's like, someone last page is being quoted as saying there's no good controller options on PC. In the past, before this gen, it had proven itself all too common that people would co-opt other complaints people had about PC as a platform, regardless of their validity or ubiquity. I think honestly some people just want to preempt that shit from continuing to happen, and see it as continuing to happen on some scale right now.
Nobody is scaring people away from PCs, they're explaining why they choose to game elsewhere thus answering the OP's question. In doing so they're being told these things haven't happened since the 90's or that they're making them up or that they're spreading misinformation. Yet here the very issues cited in this thread are on the front page.
I'm guessing these threads were made as a place to share and celebrate the fact the problems of the 90's are over.
They're mainly to discuss what performance people are getting so readers can have a better idea when playing or deciding to buy a game. Those threads are purely made up of complaints.
Even then, I still think the complaints are an issue of only hearing from unsatisfied customers. It's not like a majority of people who try to run PC games run into problems.
We're not saying all these problems haven't happened since the 90's. We're saying they don't happen as often anymore, and that since the 90's A LOT of different resources have come along way in making it easier to run and play PC games. It's already been said multiple times in this thread that there's a difference between ignoring reasonable preferences for consoles and trying to dispel myths.
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
I understand that and agree completely. And everything you just said is a valid reason for a person who wants to avoid those things to choose a console over a PC.
AcceptableGhost
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Nobody is scaring people away from PCs, they're explaining why they choose to game elsewhere thus answering the OP's question. In doing so they're being told these things haven't happened since the 90's or that they're making them up or that they're spreading misinformation. Yet here the very issues cited in this thread are on the front page.
I'm guessing these threads were made as a place to share and celebrate the fact the problems of the 90's are over.
PC performance threads for big games get made whether the launch is a disaster or not. A better indicator of average quality of a release is probably to check the Steam reviews, if most are positive then most people booting up the game are having a good time. When a game doesn't work people will flood reviews quickly. Generally when you go to a new game and see MIXED or NEGATIVE then there are probably launch issues (like Mafia 3 or Dishonored 2).
I'm on my computer for 8+ hours a day working.
I also find that different PCs get different performance based on a whole slew of different reasons.
I like consoles because when I load a game up, I know what to expect, performance-wise.
I also have limited time. I have an incredibly attentive job that takes a lot out of me. When I load up a game on my PS4 or Vita or whatever, I want to just start gaming. I don't have time to configure things, to QA anything wrong that comes up, etc.
I also find that different PCs get different performance based on a whole slew of different reasons.
I like consoles because when I load a game up, I know what to expect, performance-wise.
I also have limited time. I have an incredibly attentive job that takes a lot out of me. When I load up a game on my PS4 or Vita or whatever, I want to just start gaming. I don't have time to configure things, to QA anything wrong that comes up, etc.
I might blow your mind here but have you considered maybe this is a good thing?
When I start up a PC game and it's slow/doesn't work that could mean an hour or two or more of messing around with all sorts of different things in an attempt to correct the errant behavior...and then it's revealed it was a bug that needs fixing anyway because how dare my PC have this really specific combination of hardware which messes it up.
At least when a game on PS4 runs like dogshit I know there's nothing I can do about it on my end and can spend the hypothetical hour or two of troubleshooting on something else (which is extra-important in my old age while raising a kid, having very limited time in which to game), and know the onus is on the dev to do something about it (yes they might not, but the same is frequently true for PC too).
For the record, I used to be the go-to guy in my circle of friends who'd plan out the build and put it all together for them. It gets old after a while.
To contribute something new which I'm not sure has been discussed yet since it's a huge thread, the sheer number of online platforms on PC is annoying as hell since it breaks up your friend list something fierce; if they're playing something on Battle.net, it's not going to show up on Steam. Ditto for Windows 10 games, Origin games etc. (yes there are elaborate ways to make it work, no they won't go through the config headaches for it). Like on PC your library of games can very easily be fragmented between uPlay, Origin, Steam, Windows 10 Store, Battle.net and GOG Galaxy, each of these services having their own friends' list with no inter-connectivity.
On PS4 I have PSN, that's all the end. Doesn't matter what you're doing, I can see if you're online and what game you're in, and can message you or whatever. Hell even if you're just watching Netflix I can see that. And it still works for physical copies which aren't account bound.
blankempathy
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Pc gaming is an enthusiasts hobby for some people. I never really step foot in those performance threads. I buy a game and 95% of the time it works perfectly fine. Its like a car. For some people its merely a means of transportation. If it breaks they take it to a mechanic and never bother beyond that. For others its a hobby and they want to learn everything there is about them and how to get the most out of their vehicles. For consoles of course you wouldn't see threads like these unless theres some issue. Aside from it not working right everyone else is going to get the same experience. Even with the pro you're limited to a few extra modes so really that can be discussed in the OT threads.
PetriP-TNT
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Hey now, I spend hour or two figuring out that you can run The Last Guardian in bog standard 720p to actually get it run slightly less dogshitty 30 frames per second instead of varying 20 to 25 frames per second on a stock PS4.
Huge Succeeded
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I can't recall the last time I had a problem just adding a non-Steam game to my Steam library, and it seems that, whether I've suggested it to them IRL or they're people I've met online, most of my Steam friends do the same. After all, it's a pretty simple process. And for what it's worth, Discord, which boots with my OS, has enabled me to unify my friend lists (across way more than just gaming services) in a similar fashion.
Before I discovered Discord I guess I would have considered friend list fragmentation a bit of a hassle, but really just to the extent that I had to create more than one account and password combo to game with - if a friend of mine owned a game that I owned on another service, then playing with them was pretty much as simple as just trading another display name on a different service. It helps that most people who PC game have Steam to begin with, so it's not like I need to hit someone up through uPlay if I have or get their Steam info.
How are people fixing the driver issue in the other thread with a gaming pad? That's what puts me off, got no time to get out the keyboard and mouse to go and trawl through forums to fix stuff broken by a regular patch update.
The fear of that is what puts me off. I don't mind patch updates at all, regardless how long they take to download, but if they make games unplayable, that is hugely off-putting for anyone.
The fear of that is what puts me off. I don't mind patch updates at all, regardless how long they take to download, but if they make games unplayable, that is hugely off-putting for anyone.
PetriP-TNT
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(I use the Steam Controller as my main PC controller but) you can use any (modern) controller (SC, PS4, Xbox360, XboxOne) as a mouse & keyboard replacement if you are running Steam.
Not sure what you are referring though, I used Geforce Experience to update my drivers today, it was a single click.
LowEndTorque
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I don't think the thread title "refuse to game on a PC" is the best choice of words. I was a PC gamer for decades but now game exclusively on console. It's not that I "refuse" to game on PC, it's that I have zero desire to right now. That can always change in the future, but for now, it is what it is.
As far as why I don't game on PC right now it's because:
1. Convenience.
2. Hassle-free.
3. 100% happy with the console experience and titles and thus have no desire whatsoever to game on a PC at this time.
As far as why I don't game on PC right now it's because:
1. Convenience.
2. Hassle-free.
3. 100% happy with the console experience and titles and thus have no desire whatsoever to game on a PC at this time.
Definitely doesn't work right for Battle.net, Origin or Windows 10 store games. Usually they will either not show that you're playing the game from the other end, or they will persist because Origin remains open or something. uPlay I think is OK as long as you properly close the "here are the cheevos you got" window after the game is closed.
Discord helps although that's a bit of a client-of-the-day which may be something else entirely at some point in the future. What happened to Mumble which did the same thing? Or Gamespy which did the same thing before that? Or Quakeworld which did the same thing before that? And all of these are kind of "unofficial", in the sense that someone has to tell you these are things which exist, and which ones are trustworthy.
There's a thread on the homepage where a graphics card update has broken a lot of stuff, wasn't sure how you could fix that with a pad in a desktop setting which seems to be required to fix.
I think the fact it's fine for you but not for others is the reason these issues occur, far too many setup combinations to realistically test, there's no one fits all like there is for consoles.
I want to get back into PC gaming but right now there are so many combinations and faults, it's hard to know what I'm buying will be the best. I buy a console, it's going to work, it won't ramdomly have memory faults or fail to launch a game.
I'm interested in that streaming service, that seems great in theory as it will eliminate the issues I'm describing and have against PC gaming.
Reading this thread, seems a lot of people don't know how to connect a PC to their TV. The desk is just one possible set up.
Huge Succeeded
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Oh ok, I never used Battle.net on Steam because I play Overwatch by myself but it must have its own overlay that hooks to the game. Didn't know that. uPlay I've never had a problem with. Origin games, for as few as there are worth playing, I've just added to Steam by adding Origin itself and renaming.
Discord is better and more enabling than all of those other programs, and is effectively supplanting them. I don't see Discord being supplanted for a long time. It's very good.
All I have to do to get someone on Discord is tell them about Discord. Discord is available as an app on mobile phone. That's how my young nephew and I chat together when we play Civilization, for example. I can see when he's on his PC or on his phone (at his discretion) and what game he's playing, too. And we've got a (completely free) family server with several rooms and a music bot for chatting through text or voice, and for inviting other people for group play.
(You can also just use Discord through your browser, too.)
PetriP-TNT
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If you have the money (~900 bucks), you can easily somewhat bruteforce your way into enjoying basically any modern* PC game. Just search for "Need a new PC 2017" on NeoGAF, check out that thread and pick the standard parts from the mid-to-high tier.
shotgunbob04
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Yeah, Discord is really great. I love being able to see that some of my friends are playing League of Legends while other friends are playing Rocket League and I'm playing Titanfall 2.
And a really awesome feature people need to know about is that you can share a link to anyone who doesn't have an account and they can immediately join your chat server from the web. And from there, they can quickly create an account if they feel like it. I would know that this works, because I did exactly that with my friend the other day. Now he's on Discord 24/7.
Huge Succeeded
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I went to edit that into my post but I guess I don't need to, lol. I felt like I was taking crazy pills the other day, in some thread where people were scoffing at the idea of using Discord on PC as though it were at all complicated or that it'd be hard to introduce their friends to it.
Mostly the constant, usually rude, snarky and patronizing attempt at teaching me how to live my gaming time brought on by PC evangelists.
If It wasnt already something I already deemed uninteresting for me decades ago, they would convince me to steer clear or It and its community with any of the daily 3-4 dedicated threads and the well tolerated thread derailing.
Also: hate the view on VGs that seems to come with being a a PC gamer, where its always about whos got the bigger hw, the most bombastic gfx and such. Seems something juvenile, and the opposite of what I always wanted from VGs.
If It wasnt already something I already deemed uninteresting for me decades ago, they would convince me to steer clear or It and its community with any of the daily 3-4 dedicated threads and the well tolerated thread derailing.
Also: hate the view on VGs that seems to come with being a a PC gamer, where its always about whos got the bigger hw, the most bombastic gfx and such. Seems something juvenile, and the opposite of what I always wanted from VGs.
I have what I consider a mid-tier gaming PC, and yet, I barely game on it. I pretty much attribute that to my friends and people in my community.
All of my friends are console gamers, and I'd wager that 90% of those I meet IRL are also console gamers. Very seldomly do I run across anyone who games on PC when I cast it up in discussion.
All of my friends are console gamers, and I'd wager that 90% of those I meet IRL are also console gamers. Very seldomly do I run across anyone who games on PC when I cast it up in discussion.
Huge Succeeded
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do you frequent r/pcmr often?
not sure what you're talking about re: thread derailing, it's not 'well tolerated' when it does happen people tend to call that shit out
and 3-4 dedicated pc threads a day? what do you mean by that, lol? show me what you mean.
you're kidding, right?
shotgunbob04
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Glad I could help haha. You basically just summed up this thread; a lot of people spreading negative ideas about things they have never used or seen.
Every friend I've had come over and play games on my PC have been blown away by how simple plugging a controller in and starting up a game is.
Edit: In fact, after showing a friend Doom 2016 (one of his favorite games) running on my PC, he got a gaming laptop with a GTX 1060 in it. We both bought a couple games in the Steam Winter Sale to play together, Left 4 Dead and L4D2 being two of them.
wonderful103
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You're describing every digital foundry console thread actually. Hell, just step into the latest Scorpio thread.
Confirmation bias at its finest. Durante's grassgate example is certainly a good place to start.
Hollywood Hitman
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Digging to deep. When people say I don't because of this that or this, that to me is refusing to Pc game for whatever reasons they have. They aren't saying sure I'll gladly Pc game if only I had one , they're stating actual reasons which to me is refusing to Pc game, or refusing to understand that a lot of the misconceptions are not accurate.
If that's not PC, then oh well..
The exaggerations are usually a way of trying to get a point across, and it doesn't help that there are counter-exaggerations to try to dispute the principal points.
As you say, no sane person would make such an argument. On the other hand it's absolutely true that a lot of PC games don't have controller support, especially exclusives, or you have to use some combination of mouse / keyboard to get started before you can switch to a controller. There aren't any console games without controller support, and you can navigate the entire system UI with a controller.
The controller situation is a contributor to how convenient couch gaming is on a console. Certainly it's true the PC has made steps forward here – and indeed you can play any system on a couch if you try hard enough. Many people simply don't feel the need to put any extra effort into what is intended to be a form of relaxation.
You can upgrade as infrequently as you like, of course, and there are few if any games that really take advantage of cutting-edge systems. If, however, your motivation in going PC is to always have the fastest system available then yearly upgrades are part of the bargain. Arguably sticking to a console is a way for technology addicts to mitigate their impulse control.
Any malware is a downside compared to the console experience, and I can't blame anyone for not wanting to worry about it.
I don't think I've seen many who are happy with the console experience go as far as your exaggerated example of "daily" driver updates, so this just smacks of a strawman constructed to make it easy to argue against. In reality, futzing with drivers shows up in virtually all of the performance threads for PC titles and many of the OTs as well. Workarounds cited often do involve configfile tweaks. Being able to sidestep all of the above is a welcome relief for some of us who spend far too much time tinkering with systems in a professional context, and doubtless also for those who are simply not confident or comfortable with PC configuration.
Is the downside often exaggerated? Sure. So are both the ease of use and the benefits. People can come to their own conclusions about how they like to spend their leisure time, and indeed they have. Threads like this do little to change anyone's mind.
David H Wong
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They have to be some of the most insecure people on the planet, right?
Why do they even care? The cultish behavior is fucking bizarre. I think only anime fans spend more time screeching at people for not loving their specific hobby in their specific way.
I guess it's a double-edged sword.
On the flipside from that argument, I think it's good that PC has various game storefronts. It's better that you don't only buy digital games from PSN or XBL on PC, which results in competition between stores as well as enough space for more games to shine since some of the different stores focus on different kinds of games. I wish consoles did this, but no console manufacturer is gonna let go of its current stranglehold on digital distribution.
I think it'd be interesting to see a console that, in addition to its own digital storefront, allowed users to also have an Origin app or a UPlay app or a Steam app or an Amazon app or an itch app just to have choice in what channels they used to get their games. I think that one-store limitation is a problem for iOS too, due to the massive amount of iOS software that gets released.
LordRaptor
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Weirdly, when people have been exposed to what is - lets be honest - propaganda against the PC, when they check it out for themselves and realise that 90% of what they've heard is total bullshit, they want to tell people that, hey, turns out Pc gaming is pretty fucking good.
Of course, the people running the smear campaigns immediately doublethink that into 'evangelism' and 'insecurity'
LowEndTorque
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That's fine. In my mind there's a connotative difference between "refusing" to do something and having no interest in doing something for whatever reasons.
If I'm at Wal-Mart shopping for a toaster and I leave the store without buying a DVD of a chick flick, that's just me having no interest in buying a chick flick. If my wife calls me while I'm at the store and asks me to buy a chick flick and I tell her no, that's me refusing to buy a chick flick. Fine by me if you don't see any difference between the two.
Hollywood Hitman
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I just want it to be clear that my intent tho was harmless, I just made the title on a whim and overall it was meant as more or less as a if you pass on Pc gaming then what holds you back, wasn't tryin to insinuate anything else with it.
WildEagle18
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I own a gaming PC to play VN/H-Games, I only built my gaming PC cause my toaster laptop couldn't handle anymore of Illusion's games.
I prefer playing on consoles for specific reasons:
1. My dad was the one that introduce me to gaming, he got me a PS1 when I was a kid and been a big fan of Sony and Playstation since growing up.
2. My dad and I still play some couch co-op games like NBA2K
3. My GF and friends all play on PS4, no one really cares for PC so I don't have a reason to really make it my main system besides playing the games I said above.
4. I enjoy Sony exclusives and the JRPGs. While PC has been getting JRPG ports now, they tend to be at a later date and I usually buy my JRPG day 1 to show my support.
5. I also play on Nintendo consoles since my GF grew up as a nintendo fan.
6. I live for JRPGs, majority of the jrpgs are on Sony/Nintendo systems
So I own PS4/Wii U/Vita/3DS/PC, the best combination this gen.
PS4 is my main console and go to for any multiplat and jrpgs
Vita cause Vita is Life.
3DS has a lot of franchises I care about like Pokemon, FE, SMT, DQ to name some
Wii U for nintendo exclusive
PC for pleasure.
I prefer playing on consoles for specific reasons:
1. My dad was the one that introduce me to gaming, he got me a PS1 when I was a kid and been a big fan of Sony and Playstation since growing up.
2. My dad and I still play some couch co-op games like NBA2K
3. My GF and friends all play on PS4, no one really cares for PC so I don't have a reason to really make it my main system besides playing the games I said above.
4. I enjoy Sony exclusives and the JRPGs. While PC has been getting JRPG ports now, they tend to be at a later date and I usually buy my JRPG day 1 to show my support.
5. I also play on Nintendo consoles since my GF grew up as a nintendo fan.
6. I live for JRPGs, majority of the jrpgs are on Sony/Nintendo systems
So I own PS4/Wii U/Vita/3DS/PC, the best combination this gen.
PS4 is my main console and go to for any multiplat and jrpgs
Vita cause Vita is Life.
3DS has a lot of franchises I care about like Pokemon, FE, SMT, DQ to name some
Wii U for nintendo exclusive
PC for pleasure.
Dope Skill
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I would buy a gaming PC if one of the three following things happened:
Half-Life 3 comes out as a PC exclusive. Heck, I'd buy it if it was a Vive exclusive even though I think my apartment is too small for that. Life finds a way.
Apple sells Mac OS as stand alone software and supports multiple hardware configurations. The problem with PCs for me is I don't want to use Windows at all so the "value" in having the gaming device also be the computer is lost on me. I'm not a tinkerer so I'd rather not go the Hackintosh route.
Alienware (or some other such company) makes a $400 box as small as a PS4/Xbox One S that offers better performance than either and upgradability (maybe not the motherboard but ram and the graphics card).
I'd guess that the third thing is the most likely to actually happen anytime soon.
Half-Life 3 comes out as a PC exclusive. Heck, I'd buy it if it was a Vive exclusive even though I think my apartment is too small for that. Life finds a way.
Apple sells Mac OS as stand alone software and supports multiple hardware configurations. The problem with PCs for me is I don't want to use Windows at all so the "value" in having the gaming device also be the computer is lost on me. I'm not a tinkerer so I'd rather not go the Hackintosh route.
Alienware (or some other such company) makes a $400 box as small as a PS4/Xbox One S that offers better performance than either and upgradability (maybe not the motherboard but ram and the graphics card).
I'd guess that the third thing is the most likely to actually happen anytime soon.
HollowCentral
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The price. I have a limited budget as it is, so buying a decent gaming PC would take a serious amount of saving, which I would probably be better off using to go to Disney or something.
Hollywood Hitman
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See ive always felt that something like a Pc is a great long lasting investment, to spend a chunk of cash on something that will get hundreds and hundred hours of use just seems so worth while to me.
My friend would also do that as well, spend money to go to Disney and I don't know, I've just always had a hard time with big expensive vacations because it's a week or so and that's it, once it's done its done. My friend will drop 2k or so on a Disney trip but won't build a Pc and I just can't see that, but that's just me.
BadAss2961
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Funny thing is, most of the people with problems in those threads are still running games at higher resolutions and settings with better framerates than their console counterparts.Nobody is scaring people away from PCs, they're explaining why they choose to game elsewhere thus answering the OP's question. In doing so they're being told these things haven't happened since the 90's or that they're making them up or that they're spreading misinformation. Yet here the very issues cited in this thread are on the front page.
I'm guessing these threads were made as a place to share and celebrate the fact the problems of the 90's are over.
When I dip below 60fps ultra settings at 1440p on PC I freak out.
Right? A good PC is good for way more than gaming. I use my gaming PC for music making, art station, media centre, internet and the list goes on. I'd much rather invest in a solid PC then go see mickey mouse for a week.
You don't respect other's preference to separate work and pleasure.
It's not the majority answer but it still comes up.
Exaggerating might not be the best way of gettign your point across. And I agree that counter - exaggerations don't help. Such is the nature of these discussions.
I did not intend to spout my examples as truths written in stone. Just that you know. One could argue that in many of these games controller support is deemed uneccecarry by developpers, only time I have been left wanting propper controller support has been with some isometric ARPG's such as Grim Dawn, which I think has controller support these days. On which games you have to start with a kb/m combo I'm not sure, no idea how prevalent that is. Steam Controller or a wireless kb/m would most likelly be an answer to this. If it's a strategy game we are talking about I struggle to think why anyone would want use a regular controller for that. If the games is designed for a controlle, it usually works seamesly with one. As you already expalined.
Not arguing this, except I would not describe the experience these days of needing to try "hard enough". It literally is just launching steam big picture - plugging in a controller. And again, it's fine not wanting anymore extra hassle for gains that do not intrest you on a personal level. There will always be that one neckbeard that deems your choice unnaceptable, but so what. By the way, seating my arse on my Ikea office chair and sticking my feet up on the table are my ultimate form of relaxing, couhes are overrated.
Did I claim you could not? I just hate it when this comes up as an actual downside. I'm mad and upgrade quite often. I choose to do so as it's a dear hobby for me. That last part strikes me as weird, if one is so interested in having the best technology availabe I seriously doubt he/she would only play on consoles anyway. But yes I've seen that reasoning and can't argue against it if someone feels that they can't control their impulses.
Yeah, but using the combination of malwaresoftware and common sence this becomes a non issue, and if one uses their PC as a dedicated gaming device this becomes a non issue asswell. Of course consoles do not have malware, not claiming that. But there are not viruses flying around everywere.
The daily part was an exarggation on my part I admit. But why don't I have these driver problems that people seem to have constantly? And nor have I once tinkkered with configs to make a game run. Not saying that the problems don't exist but they are not as common as some people fear. Like you said in your last chapter, people exarggate these things. Things don't need to sound so indimitating.
Wanting to seperate work from home is a great reason of not wanting to deal with PC's. Besides it's fun to discuss these things.
Damn writing on mobile is a bitch...
Did you know about this https://www.epicgames.com/unrealtournament/
I know its not ut99 but very close to old UT.
Its worth checking at least, its FREE.
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