If i could then i would only game on a console. That's what i did as a kid and it was easy to just accept that you can only play something in this one specific way. Now im forced to tinker and spend $$ on crap because i can't force myself enjoy a subpar experience. Then again, consoles have changed to become nearly just as bad with the occasional software issues.
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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Shadowhaxor
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Not sure why this isn't locked by now. It's going nowhere and lots of Alternative Facts making the rounds here.
I respect the opinions of most the people in this thread, but as it was stated before, it's clear to see that the old myths of PC gaming still exist. And despite people showing proof, it doesn't seem to matter. This is just another topic that will never have a conclusion.
I respect the opinions of most the people in this thread, but as it was stated before, it's clear to see that the old myths of PC gaming still exist. And despite people showing proof, it doesn't seem to matter. This is just another topic that will never have a conclusion.
GamerMax73
Member
Doesn't need reposting in full again. Just want to say...good post, well done sir!
Er, No. Just...No!
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
RageWaffles
Member
Just leaving this here for all those "easy to use and no hassle on console, just plug and play"
https://twitter.com/Sing2X/status/823814462599811072
Good point. That is a nice benefit of playing on a PS4: "Start Application without Updating". You can play games without having to update them.
Im a big multiplayer guy and I just cant do pc. I would hate to be killed by someone because he has better hardware, i jus dont feel it fair.
If anyone plays ffxiv will know what im talking about next. 3rd party plugins for that game frustrate me so much, especially ACT triggers that carry ppl through content. I guess parsing can be ok when used to get better if dps checks holding you back.
If anyone plays ffxiv will know what im talking about next. 3rd party plugins for that game frustrate me so much, especially ACT triggers that carry ppl through content. I guess parsing can be ok when used to get better if dps checks holding you back.
What are your thoughts on
- "Pro" controllers
- Mouse adapters for consoles
- Mid-gen console upgrades which improve performance
- Up to a factor of 3 difference in input lag between fast and slow TVs for gaming
I feel like this point is getting progressively eroded on consoles over the past few years.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
You can on PC too, just start Steam in Offline mode
Can't stress the last point enough. Moved my console from TV to monitor and difference is huge yet I know majority of the user base is stuck with high input lag.
That said I thought Sony forbids advance on "Pro" consoles over regular in multiplayer?
Nah. A game can't target a different framerate, but if both versions target e.g. 60 and the PS4 (non-pro) version often drops to 45 while the Pro doesn't there's no issue with that.
Having the option to get better through hardware improvements or changing the settings is like one of the best things. Strange to hear it as a complain. Mostly I see people looking forward to get their hands on that 144hz monitor or minor (or maybe not) things like tinkling with the sensitivity to get better aim.
Gumbie
Member
Not really true. I've been fighting microstutter on Dishonored 2 since it came out and I have a single 1080gtx. Also go look in the RE7 PC performance thread if you think stuttering isn't a problem.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
My 1080 ran it at 4k quite well, no microstutter at all.
Not saying it can't happen but typically, typically speaking it happens more on the sli side of things
Many things (I posted earlier before this thread exploded), but in all honesty, the one thing is holding me back the most is that I'm not well informed about building a decent PC that matches PS4's price/specs and I have zero interest in doing so. Also, Windows. Don't want to deal with software other than the OS and games. On the other hand, paying for online play is ridiculous.
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Deleted member 752119
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Very true. Though the bigger issue is for us controller only types as you'll mostly always get owned by kb/m players on PC and there thankfully aren't very many people using adapaters on consoles.
Moot for me as I've just mostly quit MP gaming as I've gotten older. I just don't have the time or patience for it, and get bored of spending too much time on one repetitive game. I'd rather play a bunch of shorter single player or co-op games these days that waste effort getting good at an MP game (and never getting better than average at best anyway).
But the controller only CoD players and what not are definitely better off staying on console if they're not willing to learn kb/m.
Steam can do the same, just go in offline mode.
Primethius
Banned
I play on PC, so I don't think this thread is 100% aimed at me but I've recently been making the shift away from PC back to a more console focused experience.
I just find it easier to get into a match or game for a little bit on the big screen at the end of a long day with all the stuff happening in the house around me.
I just find it easier to get into a match or game for a little bit on the big screen at the end of a long day with all the stuff happening in the house around me.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I can't help but think of The Waterboy lol
Momma says Steam is the devil!
Everdred
Member
Best post in the thread.This particular topic really rubs me up the wrong way for several reasons.
Firstly, if you only game on a PC sat at a desk and don't own a console, why are you even in the conversation? Secondly, quit making PC gamers look like desperate salesmen trying to get everyone on their 'team'. It's embarrassing.
Even though the majority of my game time is on a livingroom PC, it absolutely blows my mind that people still don't understand why a bunch of people don't want a Windows PC + mouse and keyboard in their livingroom. People know what a Windows PC is, how big they generally are, roughly how much it costs and what the foibles are. They also know what a wireless keyboard and mouse are. If you can't see why someone doesn't want this, I don't know what to tell you.
It's like owning a performance car that's expensive to run, noisy, impractical and uncomfortable and then being confused/irate with people who choose to own regular cars.
By all means extol the virtues of the platform; openness, upgradability, multiple storefronts, choice of controllers etc. But don't then try and convince others these all don't come with inherent drawbacks. It's dishonest.
You want upgradability, you put up with tuning your games to run correctly.
You want openess, you put up with incompatability problems, having to use Windows, no integrated share option or updates in sleep mode etc. (and no, I'm not going to mention drivers, they really aren't a big deal)
You want competition in game sales, you put up with launching games in different launchers, multiple friends lists/chat and having a mouse/keyboard on your coffeetable (I love how the open PC platform is suddenly limited to Steam and Big Picture Mode when someone is trying to argue PCs are as convenient. BPM is a load of crap, also.)
You want to use a different controller, you put up with confusing button prompts, having to re-bind all the keys and mouse players kicking your controller using ass in multiplayer.
etc. etc.
Even ignoring all of that. You still have the big issue of exclusives. The amount of good PC exclusives that are playable on a controller/TV can be counted on one hand, and that's being generous. If it's good and it plays well on a TV, it will come to consoles. PC gaming will never be as cheap or convenient as console gaming, it's not possible unless it changes all the things that make it what it is in the first place; and people don't want that.
I have a gaming PC (2500K, 980 GTX, 4K monitor) and I still play 90% of my stuff on console because I like the exclusives, simplicity, comfort and unification.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
That's the main problem, gaming laptops are super overpriced.
You're right though, prices here in the UK are a joke in general
Kssio_Aug
Member
I do like to play on PC and I think that a good console for exclusives (PS or Nintendo at this point) and a PC would be the perfect match. However, at least where I live (Brazil), buying a gaming PC is not that easy: the hardwares are too expensive, and I'd need to get pieces from different online stores... looking at physical stores I'd be limited to much less options and much higher price of already expensive hardware.
In the end of the day it seems easier to just buy an console and pay games when they come cheaper. Still, I think PC gaming is pretty awesome. No denial about that.
In the end of the day it seems easier to just buy an console and pay games when they come cheaper. Still, I think PC gaming is pretty awesome. No denial about that.
SilverArrow20XX
Walks in the Light of the Crystal
1: I like physical game collections.
2. I like the comfort and convenience of the console. I don't need to mess with settings to get my games to work correctly before starting like I often have to do with Steam games.
3. I already own consoles for the exclusives, and these consoles are already capable of playing all the multiplatform games I want. It's not worth it to me to pay for another system to play these games, especially considering points 1 and 2.
4. I like to use my laptop for other things while playing. When playing games on it, it is more annoying to multitask unless I'm in one of the few games that doesn't disconnect the controller when I click outside of the game window.
I do play older games on my laptop though.
2. I like the comfort and convenience of the console. I don't need to mess with settings to get my games to work correctly before starting like I often have to do with Steam games.
3. I already own consoles for the exclusives, and these consoles are already capable of playing all the multiplatform games I want. It's not worth it to me to pay for another system to play these games, especially considering points 1 and 2.
4. I like to use my laptop for other things while playing. When playing games on it, it is more annoying to multitask unless I'm in one of the few games that doesn't disconnect the controller when I click outside of the game window.
I do play older games on my laptop though.
DirtyLarry
Member
Why on earth would anyone else care what platform someone else prefers to play on? It truly makes zero sense to me.
I have a Gaming PC. I also have all the consoles. I am 42 make a good living with no kids so I spend money on my preferred hobby.
Why do you care what I play on?
And FTR, these days I gravitate to my consoles way more. Very simple reason too. I sit in front of my computer all day. So when i get home, I prefer a couch. And nope, my wife is not letting me hook that monstrosity of a gaming tower I prefer for my Gaming PC up to our TV as it would stick out like a sore thumb. So I keep it in my office. I play on it when I feel like it. I usually stick to the consoles though as that means my couch or bed.
I know I am getting the inferior experience graphically, and guess what? I do not care at all. For me it is always Gameplay > Graphics/Performance. Sure, I enjoy nice graphics and beter frame rate when they are available, but they do not define the experience for myself. Only enhance it.
I have a Gaming PC. I also have all the consoles. I am 42 make a good living with no kids so I spend money on my preferred hobby.
Why do you care what I play on?
And FTR, these days I gravitate to my consoles way more. Very simple reason too. I sit in front of my computer all day. So when i get home, I prefer a couch. And nope, my wife is not letting me hook that monstrosity of a gaming tower I prefer for my Gaming PC up to our TV as it would stick out like a sore thumb. So I keep it in my office. I play on it when I feel like it. I usually stick to the consoles though as that means my couch or bed.
I know I am getting the inferior experience graphically, and guess what? I do not care at all. For me it is always Gameplay > Graphics/Performance. Sure, I enjoy nice graphics and beter frame rate when they are available, but they do not define the experience for myself. Only enhance it.
I hate Windows.
I hate PC architecture and rapid obsolescence.
I hate having to deal with driver updates.
I do not want to have the OS "doing things" while I'm trying to play a game.
It's just too much effort. Most importantly I work with computers and they're the last thing in the world I want to see when I go home as a result. I miss the simplicity of the 16 bit console era. Take plastic cart. Plug cart into system, hit button, done.
I hate PC architecture and rapid obsolescence.
I hate having to deal with driver updates.
I do not want to have the OS "doing things" while I'm trying to play a game.
It's just too much effort. Most importantly I work with computers and they're the last thing in the world I want to see when I go home as a result. I miss the simplicity of the 16 bit console era. Take plastic cart. Plug cart into system, hit button, done.
You say that but in the past 3 months, nVidia pushed out drivers that broke the Windows 10 tiles (375.57), had performance issues from driver memory bug (375.86), and security vulnerabilities (which 376.33 fixed). The days of more extensive driver conflicts are behind us but it's not a problem that doesn't exist.
I am a PC gamer and have been a computer gamer for 25 years (started on the Amiga 500). But I also own most of the consoles.
But despite my quarter of a century as a computer gamer, I would still recommend MOST gamers play on console. Why? Because it is simply a much easier experience. Less time messing around and more time playing. And that is what most people want.
I would say anyone really serious about the hobby should get a PC. It is far more satisfying and if you are going to buy a lot of games, probably cheaper (or at least you break even after all the PC upgrades to stay ahead of the curb).
For those that just want to play games and not endless mess around tweaking or dealing with things that don't work the way they are supposed to or the way you want, consoles are the way to go.
Now I love to tweak, I love spending almost an hour with every new game just messing with the settings to make sure my experience is as optimal as possible. And while I know some people who just use the GeForce recommended settings and go, this will always be one of the main reasons I love PC gaming, and also one reason I see a serious downside to it.
After probably at least 6 hours messing around trying to get Dishonoured 2 to work well and eventually having to settle for what is probably as good as it gets but still a dissapointing experience. In some ways I envy the PS4 Pro players who just got the game and started playing. Even if that version also has issues (and in the long run I am still playing a superior experience), you are forced to just except its shortcoming and enjoy the game as there is nothing you can do about it.
Of course the fact there is nothing you can do is also a big downside. There are many games that a single thing that would ruin the experience could be fixed in minutes on the PC.
It's the same reason I would still recommend an iPhone to the more technology impaired phones users. They are inferior phones, but easier to use.
But despite my quarter of a century as a computer gamer, I would still recommend MOST gamers play on console. Why? Because it is simply a much easier experience. Less time messing around and more time playing. And that is what most people want.
I would say anyone really serious about the hobby should get a PC. It is far more satisfying and if you are going to buy a lot of games, probably cheaper (or at least you break even after all the PC upgrades to stay ahead of the curb).
For those that just want to play games and not endless mess around tweaking or dealing with things that don't work the way they are supposed to or the way you want, consoles are the way to go.
Now I love to tweak, I love spending almost an hour with every new game just messing with the settings to make sure my experience is as optimal as possible. And while I know some people who just use the GeForce recommended settings and go, this will always be one of the main reasons I love PC gaming, and also one reason I see a serious downside to it.
After probably at least 6 hours messing around trying to get Dishonoured 2 to work well and eventually having to settle for what is probably as good as it gets but still a dissapointing experience. In some ways I envy the PS4 Pro players who just got the game and started playing. Even if that version also has issues (and in the long run I am still playing a superior experience), you are forced to just except its shortcoming and enjoy the game as there is nothing you can do about it.
Of course the fact there is nothing you can do is also a big downside. There are many games that a single thing that would ruin the experience could be fixed in minutes on the PC.
It's the same reason I would still recommend an iPhone to the more technology impaired phones users. They are inferior phones, but easier to use.
I don't know why this is brought up every time in these threads, but it's wrong, wrong, wrong. Not only does it depend on how capable your hardware is, which means you won't need to tweak anything with a high end setup, but the basic video options from low to high will suffice for most to get an enjoyable experience.
PC Performance Thread doesnt have to mean its negative?
Maybe people just want to know how the game works with all kind of hardware?
Or am I the only 1 who thinks those threads are for that.
timmyp53
Member
If you bolded the rest of the sentence it's right.
Marty Chinn
Member
For me, my PS4 updates automatically while the system is sleeping. On the otherhand, games in Steam don't update until I wake up my PC since it's not an automated background task that happens while the PC is sleeping. So the console is better than the PC on this front.
I keep hearing this excuse. "Oh it's just a single example" No it's one example of thousands and it keeps happening. It just happens to be the most current example. Why do PC gamers have such trouble admitting that the console is a more streamline smooth experience over a PC? There are things to be gained on the PC over a console, but it's not as smooth as an experience. Can't PC only gamers just admit to that and move on? No matter how you slice it, a PC is going to be less smooth than a console in general. That doesn't mean it's some constant annoyance, but rather periodic hiccups. It's not justification for not having a PC, I have a pretty capable gaming PC by the way, it's justification why one would prefer a console experience over a PC one.
XgorreKrusadeX
Neo Member
Price. Specially in Latin America.
Was going to write a wall of text mentioning about how I started off playing more on PC and now more on consoles but I'll get right to the point (my gaming history may drag on). So at the moment, I work all day sitting at a desk on a PC in an office and don't really want to come home to the same thing. I'll usually relax back on the sofa, pick up that controller, press the start button and jump straight into the game I'm currently on and turn off whenever I'm done. I love slouching on the couch when I can with controller in hand, love the 5.1 surround system wired in the room and the big TV. Most the games I'm playing recently seem to be console exclusives.
But I do fancy getting a whole new gaming PC sometime this year, and possibly skip Scorpio over it. The problem is, I don't feel like sitting at a PC desk at home. My friend has tempted me with the Corsair Bulldog which might be a good option to place on the TV stand with the Lapdog (on my lap of course), although I'm not sure how comfortable this will be in the long run.
I'm planning on getting an LG OLED E6 (55"), would this be fine with a PC hooked up to it? If not I may just have to grab a decent PC gaming monitor and deal with sitting at a desk and a smaller screen, with no 5.1 surround system.
For me, I don't think there is much holding me back, it's just so easy and comfortable right now to get through my backlog of games on the consoles I have, but there are plenty of games I'd prefer playing on the PC.
But I do fancy getting a whole new gaming PC sometime this year, and possibly skip Scorpio over it. The problem is, I don't feel like sitting at a PC desk at home. My friend has tempted me with the Corsair Bulldog which might be a good option to place on the TV stand with the Lapdog (on my lap of course), although I'm not sure how comfortable this will be in the long run.
I'm planning on getting an LG OLED E6 (55"), would this be fine with a PC hooked up to it? If not I may just have to grab a decent PC gaming monitor and deal with sitting at a desk and a smaller screen, with no 5.1 surround system.
For me, I don't think there is much holding me back, it's just so easy and comfortable right now to get through my backlog of games on the consoles I have, but there are plenty of games I'd prefer playing on the PC.
This particular topic really rubs me up the wrong way for several reasons.
Firstly, if you only game on a PC sat at a desk and don't own a console, why are you even in the conversation? Secondly, quit making PC gamers look like desperate salesmen trying to get everyone on their 'team'. It's embarrassing.
Even though the majority of my game time is on a livingroom PC, it absolutely blows my mind that people still don't understand why a bunch of people don't want a Windows PC + mouse and keyboard in their livingroom. People know what a Windows PC is, how big they generally are, roughly how much it costs and what the foibles are. They also know what a wireless keyboard and mouse are. If you can't see why someone doesn't want this, I don't know what to tell you.
It's like owning a performance car that's expensive to run, noisy, impractical and uncomfortable and then being confused/irate with people who choose to own regular cars.
By all means extol the virtues of the platform; openness, upgradability, multiple storefronts, choice of controllers etc. But don't then try and convince others these all don't come with inherent drawbacks. It's dishonest.
You want upgradability, you put up with tuning your games to run correctly.
You want openess, you put up with incompatability problems, having to use Windows, no integrated share option or updates in sleep mode etc. (and no, I'm not going to mention drivers, they really aren't a big deal)
You want competition in game sales, you put up with launching games in different launchers, multiple friends lists/chat and having a mouse/keyboard on your coffeetable (I love how the open PC platform is suddenly limited to Steam and Big Picture Mode when someone is trying to argue PCs are as convenient. BPM is a load of crap, also.)
You want to use a different controller, you put up with confusing button prompts, having to re-bind all the keys and mouse players kicking your controller using ass in multiplayer.
etc. etc.
Even ignoring all of that. You still have the big issue of exclusives. The amount of good PC exclusives that are playable on a controller/TV can be counted on one hand, and that's being generous. If it's good and it plays well on a TV, it will come to consoles. PC gaming will never be as cheap or convenient as console gaming, it's not possible unless it changes all the things that make it what it is in the first place; and people don't want that.
Also this. And I'm typing this comment from my couch, in front of a TV, on a wireless keyboard. Still no real desire to play
Marty Chinn
Member
Just plug your PC into your main setup like it's a console. You'll get the comfy couch, big screen, surround sound experience.
Sure ... troubleshooting and how to get the best performance.
But you know how I get the best performance out of my PS4?
Step 1: Put the disc in the drive.
That's it. And it's the same process for every single game.
ScatheZombie
Member
It's not that I refuse, it's more of a preference for consoles. I have a gaming PC, but it's basically just a Blizzard machine at this point because:
I no longer have the patience or time to invest in a lot of the PC exclusive genres (MMOs, RTS, MOBA).
I no longer have the patience to troubleshoot PC issues (hardware, software, or drivers).
I work on a PC all day already.
I don't care about the difference between Med/High and Ultra graphics settings anymore.
I don't care about the difference between 30 and 60 FPS for most games.
It's usually cheaper to play multiplayer/co-op with my wife when we only need one copy of a game.
I prefer most of the recent console exclusives to most recent PC exclusives.
I like being able to trade/re-sell my physical games. I literally just sold like $700 worth of games on Ebay that I no longer wanted/played.
Anecdotally:
There seems to be far fewer cheaters on console.
There seems to be a lower skill ceiling due to limitations of hardware and controls on console creating a far more competitive environment for low-level and mid-level players.
I've had better experiences playing with GAF on console than PC.
I've had better experiences discussing games with GAF on console than PC.
For example:
"Hey, want to play some (console) Battlefield?"
"Nah, I got that on PC."
"Ok, cool."
"Hey, want to play some (PC) Battlefield?"
"Nah, I got that on PS4."
"Why the fuck would you ever get that on console?" - followed by a 20 minute tirade on why PC is superior to consoles in every way.
I no longer have the patience or time to invest in a lot of the PC exclusive genres (MMOs, RTS, MOBA).
I no longer have the patience to troubleshoot PC issues (hardware, software, or drivers).
I work on a PC all day already.
I don't care about the difference between Med/High and Ultra graphics settings anymore.
I don't care about the difference between 30 and 60 FPS for most games.
It's usually cheaper to play multiplayer/co-op with my wife when we only need one copy of a game.
I prefer most of the recent console exclusives to most recent PC exclusives.
I like being able to trade/re-sell my physical games. I literally just sold like $700 worth of games on Ebay that I no longer wanted/played.
Anecdotally:
There seems to be far fewer cheaters on console.
There seems to be a lower skill ceiling due to limitations of hardware and controls on console creating a far more competitive environment for low-level and mid-level players.
I've had better experiences playing with GAF on console than PC.
I've had better experiences discussing games with GAF on console than PC.
For example:
"Hey, want to play some (console) Battlefield?"
"Nah, I got that on PC."
"Ok, cool."
"Hey, want to play some (PC) Battlefield?"
"Nah, I got that on PS4."
"Why the fuck would you ever get that on console?" - followed by a 20 minute tirade on why PC is superior to consoles in every way.
Marty Chinn
Member
Jerry
Member
That step is also how you get terrible performance on certain games while not being able to do anything about it but wait.
Is DD 5.1 supported fine on PC games when used with an AV Receiver / 5.1 speakers? Need to have a play around. Also, I'll just have to have a keyboard/mouse at hand near the sofa after I turn on the PC and want to navigate around Windows to start the game up. My current PC is rather loud too, and no space for it near the TV stand currently
that's why I was thinking of something like the Corsair Bulldog. Hmm...Marty Chinn
Member
Is DD 5.1 supported fine on PC games when used with an AV Receiver / 5.1 speakers? Need to have a play around. Also, I'll just have to have a keyboard/mouse at hand near the sofa after I turn on the PC and want to navigate around Windows to start the game up. My current PC is rather loud too, and no space for it near the TV stand currently
Unfortunately, with a PC, you'll only be able to output LPCM 5.1. So if your receiver supports PCM 5.1, you're good.
Silurus
Member
Nice handy button though saying "Start application without Updating".
LoveCake
Member
I started out on a NES then I got a Atari ST a couple of years after for Christmas I really wanted a PC or IBM compatible but they were way to expensive and my dad wouldn't buy one, so I ended up getting a Sega Mega Drive and then a SNES then PlayStation, DreamCast, Xbox then PS2, after a X360 and Wii then I saw Crysis and I built a PC for that I still have it, it started out with an AMD X2 4200+ with 1GB RA and a pair of Nvidia 6800 in SLi, it now has the same CPU but 4GB RAM and a BFG Overclocked Nvidia 275GTX, it still runs but it's not great for games anymore, I had a lot of fun in the years after when it could run games very well, but I ultimately ended up back in consoles because of the cost and yes I know there isn't that much different but it was just a hassle, get a console and it will work fine for six years or so, I would get back into PC now but the games on PC that I would want are games like Total War, City Skylines and I would love to get into EVE online but I just don't have time for those games and I just don't think I would get value out of it, I have PS4, X1 and WiiU with a 3DS and I won't be getting anything else until the PS6 and next Xbox comes out.
Graphics have now reached that point where they cannot go that much further, I don't have a 4K TV and I don't intend to replace my current 50" plasma until it dies.
It is just a combination of time to play the PC exclusive games I would play on it and the hassle of keeping it going, I just want to sit down turn it on and just go really.
Graphics have now reached that point where they cannot go that much further, I don't have a 4K TV and I don't intend to replace my current 50" plasma until it dies.
It is just a combination of time to play the PC exclusive games I would play on it and the hassle of keeping it going, I just want to sit down turn it on and just go really.
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
This is a good post. Pretty much the nail on the head about why all platform warring is so pointless. Be it PC vs. Console or Sony vs. MS Vs. Nintendo.
They all have their pros and cons and everyone has their own preferences and certain platforms will fit/not fit individual's specific preferences.
Yeah, some of the outdated and wrong info about platforms gets old. PCs aren't nearly as complicated to use as they used to be, much easier to hook up to TVs, much less dependent on keyboard and mouse, much easier to use a controller (especially Xbox Pads) etc.
But there are a lot of valid reasons that many still prefer consoles. They're still simpler to use, even though the gap is much narrower than in the past. PCs are easier to hook up to TVs than in the past, but consoles are still smaller, quieter and easier to integrate into TV stands, nor require running long wires (or hoping for the best with wifi Steam Link) if one has to keep their pc/workspace in a different room than their gaming TV. Many prefer buying physical games they can resell after their finished, which you can't do on PC very often as even most physical editions just come with a key for a digital download.
Yes PCs have exclusives, but as noted in the post I quoted, things like Civilization, MOBAs, RTS games, Sim games often just don't appeal to the console only crowd that just loves things like Uncharted, Halo, Gears, Final Fantasy etc. so they hold no sway with them. Just like the AAA narrative driven, cinematic game trend that the console crowd loves hold little sway for much of the PC only crowd.
I'm mostly happy with my decision to get a PC to go along with my consoles. But I'm failing at making it my main platform. It's hard to justify buying newer releases digitally when I can buy the physical PS4 version for 20% off with Prime/GCU and sell after beating. My gamer friends are on PS4 and not PC, so any online co-op game I want to play with them, I buy there. I don't care enough about better frame rate etc. to pay more/miss playing with them to get it on PC. So my PC is mostly for games I buy later on when their on sale for $20-30 or less, and the few PC exclusives that interest me. Stuff like The Stanley Parable, Kentucky Route Zero etc. I tried and failed at getting into Civilization, RTS games, MOBAs, CPRGs like Pillars of Eternity etc. I just don't have the time, patience or interest for mechanically complex games that take a lot of learning and tend to be slower paced.
Anyway, I just really agree with the quoted post. GAF and other forums and gaming communties would be a more pleasant places to visit if people didn't spend so much effort defending their platforms of choice, trying to sway others of their merits, and/or attacking other platforms. That would stop the posting of misinformation by non-owners that annoys many, and the evangelizing of platforms by owners that annoys others.
I STRONGLY disagree, and think you did not read fully or understand my point! If you have a great PC and you don't care that much about maximising your experience and just set it to the default "very high" or "Ultra" settings at 1080p then yes in THAT scenario it is true. I stated that!
But most people choosing between a console and a PC are not going to jump in with a $1000+ PC that can do that. They are more likely to be mid range level, in which case optimising the balance between IQ and frame rate takes some tweaking. Unless you really don't care about getting the best performance and just want to play, in which case get a console! Again which was my point! Even just switching between medium and high and seeing which runs well on the the PC they have is more than many want to do, and is in my opinion the very least anyone should do when playing on a PC.
The BEST part of having a PC IMO is being able to make sure you are getting the best possible experience for your set up, which has its downsides. (the point I was making) And if you care about the best experience even with a top of the line PC and a 4K screen then you are going to have to tweak! I have a i7-4770K, 16GB Ram and a GTX 1080 and I have to spend some time balancing between resolution, AA and framerate.
I would love to run all my games in 4K, but I find the sacrifice other effects require to do that and get a stable 60fps is not worth it. I find that a nice balance between 2k (or "1440p" if you prefer) and the highest graphical settings I can get while maintaining 60fps is my sweet spot. I also tend to use a few ReShade 3.0 effects to enhance my graphics even further. THIS is the very reason PC gaming is hands down the best way to game AND is a perceivable down side to the way many want to play! Not to mention that sometimes games don't run at first, don't run at all or launch broken on PC sometimes. It's often easy to fix these issues for those that have a little knowledge and/or time/patience. But for many people the first time this happens, it sours them on the entire experience. And I can understand that.
If you are not going to take advantage of the main benefits of a PC, why bother getting one? And those benefits also have a downside and are the reason why some people are better staying on a console.
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