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[meanspartan]

What does this vetting entail?

Immigration attorney here, I had read the draft order two days ago, no idea if the one he signed is identical, so what I say reflects the draft-

The vetting has not been detailed in any real way in the draft. However, as for the 7 countries he is temporarily banning ALL entry from (presumably including green card holders), there is a temporary suspension for 30 days. If the countries in question do not comply with the US' demand for more information about the immigrants trying to come here, that ban becomes indefinite.

So Iranians might be screwed, doubt they government will be in any hurry to comply. The other countries are Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, and Somalia, all of whom have governments less than likely to comply.

If they don't, the ban is effectively permanent.

 

[Eternal Gamer]

This reminds me of Michael Moore words that were somehow like this:" I like Hillary but I had the feeling she could get the US into a conflict due to her hawkish nature, but with Trump is certain the US will march into another war"

 

[Fisty]

This reminds me of Michael Moore words that were somehow like this:" I like Hillary but I had the feeling she could get the US into a conflict due to her hawkish nature, but with Trump is certain the US will march into another war"

Well hey at least it won't be a woman leading us into battle! Amirite guys?!?!?

 

[JadedWriter]

Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetary now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells

I was listening to this earlier this week too, guess I just found my gym music.

 

[yanipheonu]

This reminds me of Michael Moore words that were somehow like this:" I like Hillary but I had the feeling she could get the US into a conflict due to her hawkish nature, but with Trump is certain the US will march into another war"

Oh I have no illusions that he wouldnt the take the US into another war.

I await the inevitable instigating event, and accompanying false flag conspiracy.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

We gonna double down on boots on the ground. Isis will love it.

 

[Piggus]

Immigration attorney here, I had read the draft order two days ago, no idea if the one he signed is identical, so what I say reflects the draft-

The vetting has not been detailed in any real way in the draft. However, as for the 7 countries he is temporarily banning ALL entry from (presumably including green card holders), there is a temporary suspension for 30 days. If the countries in question do not comply with the US' demand for more information about the immigrants trying to come here, that ban becomes indefinite.

So Iranians might be screwed, doubt they government will be in any hurry to comply. The other countries are Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, and Somalia, all of whom have governments less than likely to comply.

If they don't, the ban is effectively permanent.

I could have been reading it wrong, but it seemed like part of the order calls for a "review" that aims to list countries that don't provide adequate info about immigrants/non-immigrants. This is the part that concerns me (my fiancee is moving to the US from Indonesia on a K1 visa). Indonesia has a good relationship with the US, but I feel like that shithead Bannon would attempt to have every Muslim-majority country on earth banned if he could.

 

[meanspartan]

I could have been reading it wrong, but it seemed like part of the order calls for a "review" that aims to list countries that don't provide adequate info about immigrants/non-immigrants. This is the part that concerns me (my fiancee is moving to the US from Indonesia on a K1 visa). Indonesia has a good relationship with the US, but I feel like that shithead Bannon would attempt to have every Muslim-majority country on earth banned if he could.

I will read the actual signed order once it is available, but in the draft I don't believe it will effect anyone other than those 7 countries immediately, we will have to see what that "Review" entails.

Have your fiance move quicker I guess lol

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

The rebuilding of the military surrounds the fact that military has been run down and over used over the past 15 years. Many US Navy ships are operating at sea for longer periods without maintaince being performed or needed upgrades. On top of that, the average hull life of each class of ship is getting older. This, when combined with the shrinking size of the US Navy over the past two decades, means that ships and crews are overworked.

The same is happening to the US AirForce in which the average hull life for most planes has either been reached or exceeded. So upgrading them isn't really an option. On top of that, upgrading them won't keep them competitive in the long run. Also, you'll loose the industrial capability to build new fighters without a continuous supply of new orders.

The same can be said about various other arms of the military. Just because they spend x amount of dollars doesn't mean the military is in good shape.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Gotta enhance the military to protect him when he refuses to leave the white House.

 

[Shoeless]

So... does rebuilding mean that there's a need for more soldiers and it's time to start thinking about instituting some kind of required National Service like Singapore or Israel for people of age, or just make it easier to activate a draft in a time of war?

 

[Poor GRIMES]

Rebuilding probably means kicking out the gays and the women away from combat-related roles, considering the Secretary of Defense, Pence, and Trump are all against them serving.

 

[Piggus]

I will read the actual signed order once it is available, but in the draft I don't believe it will effect anyone other than those 7 countries immediately, we will have to see what that "Review" entails.

Have your fiance move quicker I guess lol

Yeaaahhhh I'm going to talk to her about it. We were planning to have a big going away party in Jakarta in the summer but I feel like we might have to postpone it until she's applied for her green card and has a travel document while it's being processed.

EDIT: I read the section again and it may only be talking about "Countries of Particular Concern," which is already a specified (and small) list.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

The rebuilding of the military surrounds the fact that military has been run down and over used over the past 15 years. Many US Navy ships are operating at sea for longer periods without maintaince being performed or needed upgrades. On top of that, the average hull life of each class of ship is getting older. This, when combined with the shrinking size of the US Navy over the past two decades, means that ships and crews are overworked.

The same is happening to the US AirForce in which the average hull life for most planes has either been reached or exceeded. So upgrading them isn't really an option. On top of that, upgrading them won't keep them competitive in the long run. Also, you'll loose the industrial capability to build new fighters without a continuous supply of new orders.

If the US is struggling with its current military budget, imagine how bad things are going for Russia with a military budget that is a fraction of the size.

 

[LiK]

Rebuilding? Aren't we pretty powerful already?

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

If the US is struggling with its current military budget, imagine how bad things are going for Russia with a military budget that is a fraction of the size.

It's not just the size of the budget, it's the continuous war over 15 years. Plus the average age of the equipment. Yeah, the Russian military has been in terrible shape since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Just look at the recent deployment of their aircraft carrier.

 

[Flai]

Let me remind you, His Muslim ban seems to only exert around countries where he has no business interests.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/

I mean come on. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Libya are all countries that have been in a war for years, has significant ISIS/terrorist presence and are very unstable countries in general. Iran and Sudan are both designated as state sponsors of terrorism.

Saudi, Turkey, UAE and Azerbaijan are all reasonably stable countries, with no wars going on withing their borders and are allies of USA. And save for maybe Saudi Arabia, I don't think that any of the countries have any links to sponsoring terrorism.

You can draw all kinds of conclusions from any data, but it doesn't really seem like he has any ulterior motive.

 

[Dierce]

Rebuilding? Aren't we pretty powerful already?

It is a codeword for corrupt oligarchs and capitalists for siphoning public funds to lazy rich assholes bank account.

I hope we make it clear that the poor are not the lazy ones, the wealthy contractors are. They are the ones who steal and profit by doing absolutely nothing.

 

[Insane Metal]

:|

How about NASA's budget?

*crickets*

 

[capitalCORN]

I mean come on. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Libya are all countries that have been in a war for years, has significant ISIS/terrorist presence and are very unstable countries in general. Iran and Sudan are both designated as state sponsors of terrorism.

Saudi, Turkey, UAE and Azerbaijan are all reasonably stable countries, with no wars going on withing their borders and are allies of USA. And save for maybe Saudi Arabia, I don't think that any of the countries have any links to sponsoring terrorism.

You can draw all kinds of conclusions from any data, but it doesn't really seem like he has any ulterior motive.

With his sales pitch of extreme vetting, Do you think his faithful had this kind of implementation in mind? Qatar is also a valid a valid host for the World Cup.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

And extreme vetting is what still? What a waste of money again. We already have the largest and most powerful military in the world and trump wants to rebuild it for...what? Smh

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

US army needing rebuilding? From what exactly?

From Barack Hussein Obama, the divider in chief Kenyan Muslim who destroyed our crumbling military and made us the laughing stock of the entire world. You know, we don't win anymore. Our military doesn't win. We're losing to Mexico, where they laugh at us.


I'm betting Trump actually keeps the military at the same size and then claims that he "rebuilt it" from Obama cutting it back.

 

[n0razi]

We have an army, the best army. Its going to be YUGE!

 

[thesoapster]

>rebuilding the army

Finally. Situation was pathetic, frankly.

We must construct additional pylons.

 

[Flux]

Why is he talking about the army or military like its a sports franchise? Gotta assemble draft picks, scout well and take the top prospects?

The US military is by far the strongest... Unless this is just fear mongering for the idiot base.

 

[Glix]

Jeez Gaf. Yall need to get better and understanding trump speak.

Rebuild = get the gays and trannies and Muslims out.

 

[capitalCORN]

Jeez Gaf. Yall need to get better and understanding trump speak.

Rebuild = get the gays and trannies and Muslims out.

More like we're about to bomb some Muslims. Care to choose your own adventure?

 

[Alebrije]

So finally US army will have a Metal Gear

 

[PeskyToaster]

When hasn't this list been true?

 

[capitalCORN]

When hasn't this list been true?

If you think things are business as usual, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[PeskyToaster]

If you think things are business as usual, I don't know what to tell you.

It's not but that list is as vague as a horoscope.

 

[JustenP88]

Every time I see on of these lists it impacts me just as thoroughly as it did the first time I saw one (post Trump election).

 

[capitalCORN]

It's not but that list is as vague as a horoscope.

Welcome to your own dissolution.

 

[rokkerkory]

Rebuild army? It needs rebuilding? How about taking care of our vets you ass.

 

[Flux]

When hasn't this list been true?

Could pass this off as a daily checklist for El Presidente.

 

[capitalCORN]

Rebuild army? It needs rebuilding? How about taking care of our vets you ass.

Vets don't exist. Only soldiers do.

 

[Ogodei]

If it's about getting more enlisted men, they would absolutely need to raise military pay a good bit, or increase benefits, since bringing back the draft is a nonstarter.

 

[capitalCORN]

Oopsie! Did I forget the Jewish?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-day-statement-vgtrn?utm_source=vicetwitterus

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

It's not but that list is as vague as a horoscope.

Yeah it was sitting at like 9/14 for the Bush II administration.

 

[capitalCORN]

Yeah it was sitting at like 9/14 for the Bush II administration.

Maybe people shouldn't expect precedent while a fascist sits at the throne.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

Rebuild army? It needs rebuilding? How about taking care of our vets you ass.

Expendable grunts for a $$$ in trumps eye.

 

[DopeyFish]

Watch him return the military draft...

For blue states only.

 

[sc0la]

Let's stop calling this shit "extreme vetting" it gives credence to the bullshit narrative that the process was substantially insufficient previously. Let's call it what it is, anti-humanitarian, racial/religious discriminatory entry policies.

 

[Joezie]

The rebuilding of the military surrounds the fact that military has been run down and over used over the past 15 years. Many US Navy ships are operating at sea for longer periods without maintaince being performed or needed upgrades. On top of that, the average hull life of each class of ship is getting older. This, when combined with the shrinking size of the US Navy over the past two decades, means that ships and crews are overworked.

The same is happening to the US AirForce in which the average hull life for most planes has either been reached or exceeded. So upgrading them isn't really an option. On top of that, upgrading them won't keep them competitive in the long run. Also, you'll loose the industrial capability to build new fighters without a continuous supply of new orders.

The same can be said about various other arms of the military. Just because they spend x amount of dollars doesn't mean the military is in good shape.

Pretty much what I was thinking and hitting the nail on the head.

Rebuilding the military to make the military bigger is a waste of time when the current force is lacking the traditional operational readiness and the platforms are aging faster than ever.

The Army in particular has so many old systems that it runs the risk or is already falling behind with regards to mechanization and rocketry relevant to peer/rival powers.

 

[brochiller]

Does this mean people with passports from these countries won't be able to enter the US at all?

 

[Glix]

Oopsie! Did I forget the Jewish?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-day-statement-vgtrn?utm_source=vicetwitterus

I have never been more ashamed of my fellow jews than I am right now

In the ultimate "got mine" they are voting for trump and not sounding any alarm bells despite all the rhetoric Ive heard from them (we will never let it happen again) my entire life.

Its fucking shameful and fills me with rage.

 

[Glix]

Pretty much what I was thinking and hitting the nail on the head.

Rebuilding the military to make the military bigger is a waste of time when the current force is lacking the traditional operational readiness and the platforms are aging faster than ever.

The Army in particular has so many old systems that it runs the risk or is already falling behind with regards to mechanization and rocketry relevant to peer/rival powers.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the army still on XP and pays MS like a bajillion dollars a year to still support it for them?

 

[Lowmelody]

14/14

I mean, come on.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

Pretty much what I was thinking and hitting the nail on the head.

Rebuilding the military to make the military bigger is a waste of time when the current force is lacking the traditional operational readiness and the platforms are aging faster than ever.

The Army in particular has so many old systems that it runs the risk or is already falling behind with regards to mechanization and rocketry relevant to peer/rival powers.

Thank you

Some people here need to do some basic reading about the readiness level of the United States military.

If you want a real eye-opener about the US Navy's capabilities vs. the Chinese PLAN take a look at this: A Thousand Splendid Guns

EDIT: I'd also like to add that while I can't remember the source, Bob Work - Deputy Secretary of Defence, proponent of the Third Offset - was recently saying that even increasing the budget by some 60-100 billion dollars a year would just end up being eaten up by plugging the holes left due to the continuous warfare with underfunding. So building to 350 some odd ships is going to be much more expensive then if the military had been left in better shape.

 

[onadesertedisland]

He is being simplistic in his speech as he tends to be. Trumps Military Plan has always called for building at least 80 more combat ships for the Navy etc. He wants at least 355 Ships in the Navy compared to the current 274.

Navy actually needs to get a fire lit under its ass when it comes to the Carrier Program. Falling behind on replacement and 2 more are rapidly approaching retirement.

Aren't large ships just large targets for cruise missiles?