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2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."
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I dropped out after the first two episodes. And seeing what happened between then and now (now, meaning this year's Flash/Arrow/LOT crossover) it looks like I made the right choice. I had so many questions about the cast change, like what happened to that tall girl that Cisco liked? And what happened to the leader guy who started the whole thing? And why is Nick Zano in it? It looks like they changed it up too much from the first couple of episodes.
The show had a plot this year and last year, and that is why you think it is bad?
Razgriz-Specter
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Gotham... high five.
IDK I was just hoping for some consistency for the cast since it's only been around for 2 seasons.
tearsintherain
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I've watched 4 of 5 episodes. Its goofy, the acting is mostly awful, the writing is all over the place, the CGI is bad. But its fun to watch, the set design is gorgeous, Tarsim Singh's influence is everywhere (costumes, shots, landscapes) and I am enjoying it still.
The two main leads have almost zero chemistry between them, in fact the lead actress has more chemistry with the dog, but its great to just watch them tramp around a fucked up, twisted around land of Oz. Its apparently based way more on the books than on the 1939 Judy Garland movie, and it shows.
If you liked Once Upon a Time you should DEFINITELY watch this show. I could see it being unbearable after two or three seasons, but I am 99.9% sure its not going to even make it one season. Great show to binge watch through as well since there are quite a few OH SHIT moments that let you gloss over the "da fuq?" moments.
Razgriz-Specter
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Shark Tank till the end of time, glad it does well.
There is consistency for the cast. You simply failed to watch it, so you don't know what happened. In the end, they simply wrote out one regular character and replaced her with two new people. And everyone rejoiced the minute she left. I think you need to stop watching a lot of shows if you have a problem with that.
I've been hate-watching it. It's bad.
I'm in for this season, but not if it gets renewed (it won't).
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm a Shark Tank addict. Only Friday show I watch. Usually I don't catch it until Saturday morning, it's the show I put on while eating breakfast and checking emails.
Black Sails is on Sundays now, starts tomorrow. Eugh, so many Sunday shows. I gotta spread them out over the week.
If that were the case, then I should have dropped The Mindy Project years ago...
Actually, I really should have. It's not that great of a show.
AngmarsKing701
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Black Sails is my favorite show on TV right now, but yeah them moving it to Sundays sucks. Too much stuff on Sundays.
firehawk12
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I think your enjoyment of Riverdale is directly proportional to how many British/Scandinavian small town crime dramas you've watched.
Eh. It really didn't feel like one of those. Nor was the supposed Twin Peaks inspiration that apparent.
But then again it was just the pilot and it seemed more concerned with setting up the characters so we got fairly little plot.
I really don't get the Nordic Noir comparisons.
firehawk12
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For me it's the direction/cinematography. All the purposefully dark/gray/desaturated shots just felt like someone doing an impression of one of those types of shows.
There may be something to that.
I tried watching Riverdale.
This was me. I think for me it was that I just don't give a single fuck about teen drama anymore. Also the normal teen dialogue is cringeworthy to me.
Stumpokapow
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Riverdale would be a good show if Jughead wore the crown, but he doesn't so it isn't. Throw it in the trash can. Also Archie is supposed to be 15 but have a six-pack? jlawyeahok,gif
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Archie having a six pack is 100% canonical
the DIC cartoon is NOT canonical, bitch
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
dead souls
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Canonical or not it's 100% awesome and something that definitely needs to be displayed on television every week.
CW casting keeps on winning, the Riverdale cast is ridiculously good looking.
CW casting keeps on winning, the Riverdale cast is ridiculously good looking.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I think I presented a clear way forward for the show, incorporate the Red Circle/Dark Circle line of superheros into the universe.
I don't know what stronger show they currently have that could pair well with Riverdale, honestly.
More original 90210 cast, and toss Leighton Meester in there as a friend of Veronica's from New York.
Eh, the cinematography is decidedly more Twin Peaks than The Killing. And it's not especially Twink Peaks-y.
The interplay between the dark and the neon colours was great. But definitely not Nordic Noir. I did not find the colour scheme "desaturated" and it just isn't Nordic Noir, nor is anything else really about the show really.
Take this totally random shot of Riverdale (yes the gif is quite badly compressed but it gets the point across):
It's pretty damn vibrant in its use of colour.
And this is what I think of when someone says Nordic Noir:
Actual desaturation. Emphasis on the greys and blues.
Maybe I'm just grumpy.
firehawk12
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That was a camp moment though, where the characters are pointing out how we're supposed to feel about a hot Archie.
Here's another shirtless Archie scene:
Most of the show looks like this, through lighting (all of the interior shots lit so that character's faces have shadows on them) or something else.
Just scrubbing through the show again, it almost feels like they want the show to have an oppressive, morose tone that you just get from one of those detective shows where you want to kill yourself after you spend an hour with the saddest detective in the world.
The lead actress left a few seasons ago.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
They lost the crown of highest rated show once Arrow started up.
They were once the biggest show by far. But each year has seen a decline, though. Crazy to think that season 1 premiered with 4.91 million viewers and season 8 got only .98 million.
I really am out of the loopNot only did Nina Dobrev leave, the plot, scripts and all that got worse too. It all went downhill when Kevin left the team behind it. Every season was worse than the one prior. Only with Season 7 did it go slightly up again.
The Kai season was great though. Show always excelled when it had the right villain. Damon, Katherina, Klaus.
Yeah actually j just remember Season 4 being really weak besides the cure stuff but it slightly improved in the following seasons.
That scene was in flashback and the only scene to feature actual desaturation (well it's more of a heavy colour filter). Most of the show really doesn't look like that.
The show has a limited/muted palette of mostly earthy colours, yes. But it uses them vibrantly and accents them with even more vibrant neon highlights in certain shots.
The cinematographer used to work on Once Upon a Time, not something bleak and morose. And it shows (and I quite like the cinematography, even if some shots are a bit flat).
Bron top. Riverdale bottom.
I did my best to find as similar shots as I possibly could, but there isn't a lot of good shots of Bron out there.
At least to me the difference is striking.
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Or with a not entirely fair comparison, but this is the discrepancy I'm talking about clearly illustrated:
I thought Riverdale was ok, but a disappointment for me - hoping it gets better after the pilot. I think a lot of Roberto Aguire-Sacasa's work.
That dialogue was so cringey, especially Veronica's. It reminded me of Juno.
Forgive my out of hipness, but what does the expression "wore the crowd" mean?
That dialogue was so cringey, especially Veronica's. It reminded me of Juno.
Forgive my out of hipness, but what does the expression "wore the crowd" mean?
RatskyWatsky
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I think he meant crown which I think jughead usually wears in the comics
Edit:beaten
I can see what you're saying, but god was the first half insufferable. The second half, when they dropped trying to incorporate up-to-date slang, it finally started to pick up. That was a fast turnaround to be honest.
firehawk12
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Oh sure, a lot of the show's look is done through lighting. All of the interior scenes, in particular stand out because American TV so often uses flat lighting for everything (or at least the terrible mainstream shows I watch lol). But I think it still tries to go for that tone and mood. It's missing those shots of the main characters standing around doing nothing while being engulfed by the oppressiveness of the mise en scene, but that's because a 40 minute show doesn't have the time to be that indulgent.
I honestly was in shock after the Betty/Veronica kiss that I didn't know how to react to the rest of the episode. We're at the point where writers are including lesbian kisses and then lampshading them in order to seem savvy about token lesbian kisses.
I just finished watching Riverdale and god did I love it! I dogged the atmosphere and the mystery stuff even though it doesn't seem to be doing anything new according to people, I also haven't watched too much of that kind. I'm totally ecstatic about the characters and their relationships. Veronica is my favorite as expected, but her mom is something else too, even Ms. Grudge. Cheryl is an annoying ugh, and I feel for Betty sometimes. She really loves Archie but I understand Archie too. So sad to see those two hearts with so much sorrow. Jughead seems cool. Also, I love the look of it all, the colors they've used, the portrayal of the town.
I really hope this show finds an audience, so it can become this high quality show for a few seasons like Vampire Diaries was to me during Season 1-3.
I really hope this show finds an audience, so it can become this high quality show for a few seasons like Vampire Diaries was to me during Season 1-3.
I'm still like "Why?"
Even the Blossom remarks "Lol lesbian kissing."
Is this a shippers thing. Oh god, why do I know that.
firehawk12
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I spent the rest of the episode just thinking, "Did they really do that?".
Then it got even weirder when Betty pulled Veronica along to the dance with Archie and I was wondering if they were going to solve the love triangle problem by making them poly. lol
Yet again, there are some more obvious inspirations for some of its aesthetics, some of which they've been more upfront about:
Well it's actually not really Twin Peaks but rather Blue Velvet which is the best fit.
You have the diner:
The neon:
Even the car has the same colour:
The show is a lot closer to a similar heightened reality/Lynch-ian small town aesthetic than a oppressive grey realism. Yet again, I don't think they hired the Once Upon a Time cinematographer by accident.
Oh, and Rectify does the "main characters standing around doing nothing while being engulfed by the oppressiveness of the mise en scene" really well and that is also 45 min show.
edit: wait, shit. I forgot about the double R Diner in Twin Peaks:
Be sure to check out episode 2!
firehawk12
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Heh, I see that now. I'm sure it's recency bias since I haven't seen Twin Peaks in ages and haven't really thought of rewatching it, but for me I was really reminded of Shetland, Happy Valley and the non-"please kill me already" episodes of Wallander when I was watching Riverdale.
(Also haven't seen Rectify so...)
Heh, I see that now. I'm sure it's recency bias since I haven't seen Twin Peaks in ages and haven't really thought of rewatching it, but for me I was really reminded of Shetland, Happy Valley and the non-"please kill me already" episodes of Wallander when I was watching Riverdale.
(Also haven't seen Rectify so...)
RatskyWatsky
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