NYT: Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

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Re-elected? I guess we're going on everyone in the administration being kicked out and having a new election? Has that even happened before? I can't imagine that work being put in.

I think he's talking about if Pence takes over he has not much of a chance being reelected in 2020 because the stink of this administration is all over him.
 
The line of succession is kind of fucked that only 2 people on that list are actually elected official beside the VP.

Everyone after the Speaker and Pres pro tempore are all Secretaries appointed by the President.

I mean if Pence was also caught up and impeached and then Ryan and Hatch didn't take the position it would fall to fucking Rex Tillerson and then Steve Mnuchin.
It wouldn't be the first time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford
 
I think we'd be okay when you get to Ryan. He's like the least problematic person on that list for me. Ryan isn't a conspiracy nut and is actually a competent politician. Not ideal but if you told me Paul Ryan was going to be President for the next 4 years, I'd smile and say Thank You.
Ryan is fucking nuts when it comes to the economy. Like legitimately scary nuts.
 
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Why aren't other outlets reporting :(

Other outlets need to independently verify the story to give it credibility to run. Otherwise all you can say is 'here's what the other outlet is saying' which very few outlets would want to do. If you can't add your own context in, you both are just giving free ads to a competitor and risking your reputation reporting on something you have no clue if is true.
 
The line of succession is kind of fucked that only 2 people on that list are actually elected official beside the VP.

Everyone after the Speaker and Pres pro tempore are all Secretaries appointed by the President.

I mean if Pence was also caught up and impeached and then Ryan and Hatch didn't take the position it would fall to fucking Rex Tillerson and then Steve Mnuchin.

it's not even worth really going that far down the hole, not because it could never happen, but because there would be total political anarchy during the transition and possible violence from citizens. they would probably hold some sort of special re-election under controlled terms while a plan is drawn up to deal with the mess. i just can't imagine a smooth jump down to the 6th in line for instance
 
PLEASE.

This election was already unprecedented in scope, let us get into re-election territory. WE need it!

I don't need to be living through something messier than Code Geass S2.

But a sick, psychopathic, disgusting voice inside of me wants it.
 
I get that this is a big deal, I just can't quite get my head round why this particular news story is such a big deal. I'm not in the US so that may be getting in the way, can someone explain as if you were explaining it to say... a 14 year old?

Prior to this, Trump's aides were known to have had contacts with Russia in the past, but not while working for Trump. Now we know for certain they were in direct contact with Russian officials during the campaign.
 
Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications...

Hey, Trump! Maybe don't fuck with the intelligence agencies, because unlike you, they're, you know, intelligent.
 
Did Pence also want a Muslim ban? A trade war? Kill innocent people? Work with the Russian war criminals in Syria? Remove 2 regulations for every new one? Go into Iraq and take the oil?

Go read the official republican party platform. Pence, Trump? Some other random republican dude? Doesn't matter. They are all reading off the same script.

This? It doesn't really mean anything. Best case it builds towards something in the future.
 
We'll see how far it goes. I just think shitty enough things have already happened like the stupid fucking travel ban that was arguably unconstitutional but here we still are. This is worse but I feel like this entire thing just spins like a dryer. It just feels like he can get away with about anything. Hope I'm proven wrong.

People really need to stop thinking this. If he got away with anything, there wouldn't have been a resignation from Flynn, nor would a court have upheld the suspension of the Travel Ban.

We have yet to see what will happen regarding that if it goes to a higher court, but the voices of millions are being heard by people who do care, which is always a good thing.
 
I always believe that what we see is weeks behind what's actually going on. So I assume the republicans are full steam ahead on removing him from office and cashing in on the russian connections.

They weren't able to contain him or use him for their needs so he's going away. I expect it within the next 6 months.
 
PLEASE.

This election was already unprecedented in scope, let us get into re-election territory. WE need it!

Sigh... are we going to do this again? Before this was Obama delays inauguration, electoral college before that. There will be no new elections. But it will give us the opportunity to do massive damage in 2018 and 2020.
 
Yeah, there's no way if this breaks bad that Pence gets to assume the seat. He knew. So he gets impeached too.

VPs can get impeached and removed just like Presidents do. And if the case is a treasonous one, he doesn't get to duck it, much less be rewarded with the Presidency.

It will fall to Ryan. But the question then would be whether the election itself is declared illegitimate.
The Trumpies would probably turn this isn't a Ryan-organized conspiracy based on some of those election results.
 
I get that this is a big deal, I just can't quite get my head round why this particular news story is such a big deal. I'm not in the US so that may be getting in the way, can someone explain as if you were explaining it to say... a 14 year old?

Up to this point, the public had no proof that the Trump campaign communicated with Russian officials. They denied it every time they were asked. Yes, there were suspicions based on the investigations in the IC.

This basically proves to the public that there WAS communication, at the EXACT SAME TIME Russia was manipulating our election by leaking emails to WikiLeaks.

What we still don't know, is whether anyone in Trumps campaign knew about Russian involvement in the leaks, or helped in any way. That would be treason. This is just another (large) step towards finding that out.
 
So if this gets Trump impeached, and the rest of his crew thrown out, will it cause irreparable damage to the Republican Party?

It wouldn't look good, but the ones throwing him out would likely use the fact that they cut out those people to try and save their own skins. I think it would work for the most part. The thing about Trump is, most of his people are outsiders that can be easily excised from the party.
 
Go read the official republican party platform. Pence, Trump? Some other random republican dude? Doesn't matter. They are all reading off the same script.

This? It doesn't really mean anything. Best case it builds towards something in the future.

Yeah, point me to the part where their official platform calls for killing innocent family members of terrorists and we can talk again.
 
People really need to stop thinking this. If he got away with anything, there wouldn't have been a resignation from Flynn, nor would a court have upheld the suspension of the Travel Ban.

We have yet to see what will happen regarding that if it goes to a higher court, but the voices of millions are being heard by people who do care, which is always a good thing.

Absolutely, and I'm happy that something was done about the ban. But my thinking is that he shouldn't still be in office. Like I said we'll see how this goes, I want to be pleasantly surprised.
 
not possible, y'all.

Yeah. There's absolutely no protocol for something like that. Would we need new candidates on both sides? Just the republicans with Dems needing to go Hilary again? Who runs the government while this theoretical election is going on? Obama? Would we need to go through another primary season? There's too many issues to handle it this way
 
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