NYT: Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

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Regardless of whether Trump is impeached or not, Putin has already shown the world that the US political system is a shambling mess, and that the supposed virtues of the greatest democracy on the planet are just as fallible as in every other country on Earth.

That said, what worries me not is not so much whether the Russians can pump their chests up at the end of the day, but rather how easily the intelligence community is throwing the administration into disarray. Trump is a dickwad and deserves scorn and worse, but it is clear to me now that the true power of the executive branch does not rest in the presidency, but rather in the agencies like the FBI, CIA, and NSA. That's scary whether you are pro-Trump or anti-Trump.

A worthy point to be making. This can be taken as evidence that the real power in this country lies within the deep state broadly, and the IC more narrowly, than through any democratically elected body.

That makes me sound positively conspiratorial. Guess I'm probably losing it.
 
What the fuck must the rest of the world be thinking?

Watching this shit show.

In Canada, "Joe Trudeau" is being investigated over taking a trip with Aga Khan (which just about every Prime Minister since Pierre Elliott has done, including Stephen Harper) despite them being friends and there not being any ethics violation. To those of us in Canada, the fact that there's been no investigation makes us question reality more and more every day.
 
My thought is this would be fascinating, worrying and even comical were it another country. Being in the US, it's just plain scary and humiliating, with a heavy dose of "you gotta be fucking kidding".

From Australia: bizarre, a little confusing, frustrating, but yes also fascinating.
 
Almost 5am and I'm reading many many news articles, believe me. Terrific entertainment, let me tell you. Tremendous.
As an American I don't mind us being used as fodder for entertainment if it also acts as a teachable moment. Watching Trumpist sentiment in different flavors spread across Europe has been heartbreaking.
 
A worthy point to be making. This can be taken as evidence that the real power in this country lies within the deep state broadly, and the IC more narrowly, than through any democratically elected body.

That makes me sound positively conspiratorial. Guess I'm probably losing it.

Or maybe don't run for president with a staff full of people talking to Russian intelligence officials as they hack your opponent
 
It's on CNN now but not sure about Fox

FOX spin is that Obama is behind this and trying to smear the president with Saul Alinsky tactics...I shit you not. I honestly don't get how some of you refuse to watch the network: this shit is fucking hilarious.

Obama is organizing the protestors using his community organization skills while parasailing on Richard Branson's private isle...
 
I thought there were reports that Obama knew some shit (maybe not specifically this) prior to the election but sat on it.

He was compelled enough to impose new sanctions.

That was after the election. Before the inauguration. Same with Flynn's conversation about sanctions - after the election.
 
A worthy point to be making. This can be taken as evidence that the real power in this country lies within the deep state broadly, and the IC more narrowly, than through any democratically elected body.

That makes me sound positively conspiratorial. Guess I'm probably losing it.

I guess. But the deep state takes pride in serving the president regardless of party. This is just... something unprecedented. They are the ones in position to save us so they are doing it
 
So if Trump is impeached, who would be president? Pence? Or would all of Trump's people be ousted too? (the ones that are connected to Russia, that is?)
 
As an American I don't mind us being used as fodder for entertainment if it also acts as a teachable moment. Watching Trumpist sentiment in different flavors spread across Europe has been heartbreaking.

Indeed. But we had #Brexit, so there's that idiocy here too. You guys always go more bigly though.
 
What the fuck must the rest of the world be thinking?

Watching this shit show.

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If you read the article, this doesn't seem to be the smoking gun that the headline sounds like, just a lot of smoke. The GOP's not gonna do shit about smoke. To get them to turn on Trump, we'll need a fucking inferno.
 
FOX spin is that Obama is behind this and trying to smear the president with Saul Alinsky tactics...I shit you not. I honestly don't get how some of you refuse to watch the network: this shit is fucking hilarious.
Oh I watch Fox, I'm just glued to CNN right now lmao but that does sound interesting
 
That was after the election. Before the inauguration.
Obama sat on this because the GOP would spin this as him trying to mess with the election. Which would energize the GOP base even more and allow them to have an excuse if they lost.

He was damned either way.
 
If this doesnt bring down Trump, the pee pee tape might be the only thing that can.

This doesn't personally implicate Trump yet, but it's definitely paints a picture when seemingly most of his inner circle is in contact with Russia.

I feel like there needs to be something that definitively links Trump to this for it to bring him down. Even after several of his administration were facing charges, Nixon didn't resign until a tape came out that had him talking about covering it up.
 
Man, if Bannon is one of those names.

He was a relatively late addition though right? But after Manafort?
Bannon may have appeared in the limelight late in the game. However, he was pulling the strings all along. He created and funded Trump's top Super PAC. This Super Pac just so happened to employ many people who ended up running the Trump Campaign including Kelly Anne Conway. Steve Bannon also assisted with creating the book Clinton Cash which ended up being used as evidence by the FBI to launch another Clinton's investigation. Bannon bought and paid for this election. He's now getting everything he has wanted.
 
Hopefully they take a good look at us and pause before voting in some more right wing populists just to fuck shit up.

How could anybody keep from rolling their eyes at that statement. Jesus Christ.

It's funny that Brexit was supposed to be a warning to us, and we just had to slap some nitro and flames on that fuckup and 'Murica the fuck out of it.
 
When do the Republicans stop defending their party and start defending their country?

Dont you see how theyve twisted it.

The democrats are an enemy of the country. The only way to stay loyal to the country is to stay loyal to the party above all else.
 
In a couple decades hopefully the history books will look back fondly on the brave members of the IC who wouldn't let these truths be silenced by a wannabe fascist administration.

It's still slow, the investigation is ongoing but there are good people out there who won't let evil fester in the white house. Now we know the truth about Flynn undermining U.S. policy before in office. We know about Trump campaign contact with Russian intelligence.

As the IC continues to go through and decrypt messages, compile transcripts, and confirm timelines they won't let a compromised executive branch and a complicit legislative keep the truth from coming out. Come jail, jobs, or even lives needing to be taken, we must stand strong in support of them to eradicate these people from the positions of power they hold.
 
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