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[Holykael1]

This is how the liberal world is losing ground by fighting over petty shit that nobody should care about. It's all NOISE that takes away attention from actual problems going on in the world.
The fact that this blew out of proportion points to an alarming trend of hyperbolic outrage culture alienating and dividing people and actually giving the spotlight to these fringe political cultures. This only serves to feed the monster, this is all ammunition to be used in this age of misinformation and confusion.

 

[clem84]

I must've been living under a rock because I haven't seen the pewdiepie video where he's having anti-semitic remarks. Is it still on his channel or has he taken it down?

 

[de_reddy]

This is how the liberal world is losing ground by fighting over petty shit that nobody should care about. It's all NOISE that takes away attention from actual problems going on in the world.
The fact that this blew out of proportion points to an alarming trend of hyperbolic outrage culture alienating and dividing people and actually giving the spotlight to these fringe political cultures. This only serves to feed the monster, this is all ammunition to be used in this age of misinformation and confusion.

Thank you.

 

[KORNdoggy]

I must've been living under a rock because I haven't seen the pewdiepie video where he's having anti-semitic remarks. Is it still on his channel or has he taken it down?

taking it down could be seen as admittance of guilt. i can't imagine he'd do that.

 

[paperspace]

I must've been living under a rock because I haven't seen the pewdiepie video where he's having anti-semitic remarks. Is it still on his channel or has he taken it down?

They're still up.

You'll be disappointed though.

 

[Cyndra]

Can't believe some are defending this anti-semitic crap. What's next that's acceptable a death to all blacks sign?

 

[KORNdoggy]

they need to channel their anger towards actual REAL fascists and racists, I am not going to go off topic here however.

what makes you think they aren't? do you think people can only focus on a single task?

 

[Nanashrew]

Phil0sophy, you're leaving out the kids and pre-teens watch his show. Anti-semitism regardless of form or function is not suitable kids. Regardless of whatever the joke is, no matter how stupid, and pointless it is and how much I have talked about how much of a bad joke it was, it also isn't suitable for children as they take from that, and learn from that.

 

[Super_Cobra]

Phil0sophy, you're leaving out the kids and pre-teens watch his show. Anti-semitism regardless of form or function is not suitable kids. Regardless of whatever the joke is, no matter how stupid, and pointless it is and how much I have talked about how much of a bad joke it was, it also isn't suitable for children as they take from that, and learn from that.

They probably learn a lot worse from school.

 

[Gravy Boat]

Phil0sophy, you're leaving out the kids and pre-teens watch his show. Anti-semitism regardless of form or function is not suitable kids. Regardless of whatever the joke is, no matter how stupid, and pointless it is and how much I have talked about how much of a bad joke it was, it also isn't suitable for children as they take from that, and learn from that.

That's not the responsiblity of a content creator though, in any medium. It's the parents responsiblity to ensure that their underage children aren't watching/listening/playing anything they think is unsuitable.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

That's not the responsiblity of a content creator though, in any medium. It's the parents responsiblity to ensure that their underage children aren't watching/listening/playing anything they think is unsuitable.

No man is an island and it takes a village. Etc etc etc.

 

[KORNdoggy]

They probably learn a lot worse from school.

does that make it better?

 

[King Tubby]

It's really funny that the Wall Street Journal is being categorized as liberal mainstream media given that it's a conservative leaning paper owned by Rupert Murdoch.

 

[Nanashrew]

That's not the responsiblity of a content creator though, in any medium. It's the parents responsiblity to ensure that their underage children aren't watching/listening/playing anything they think is unsuitable.

Nuh uh. That don't fly. He also has responsibility for what he puts out since his content reaches children and he's under the Disney family brand.

 

[Gravy Boat]

No man is an island and it takes a village. Etc etc etc.

A content creator creates what they want in the hope that it finds an audience, it's not their job to censor their own content from the audience that enjoys it.

Nuh uh. That don't fly. He also has responsibility for what he puts out since his content reaches children and he's under the Disney family brand.

He's responsible for what he puts out but he has no duty to ensure it's fit for consumption by children.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Has he commented on the situation at all ?

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

A content creator creates what they want in the hope that it finds an audience, it's not their job to censor their own content from the audience that enjoys it.

"It's my prerogative to create violent and racist content and it's your fault if you see t and are offended over it"

Yeah I hear this entitled shit all the time. Doesn't make it true.

 

[SkyOdin]

As a liberal myself, I agree, I don't actually consider these individuals liberal's though, not in the classical sense, I consider them extreme and I would say regressive, they need to channel their anger towards actual REAL fascists and racists, I am not going to go off topic here however.

Racism is a meme.

It is an idea that spreads from person to person somewhat like a disease. If I was to use this analogy, the kind of stuff Pewdiepie is doing is like being a carrier for this disease called racism: he isn't showing any symptoms of being a true racist, but he is still spreading the pathogen. In that case, quarantining him is an acceptable response. We don't want him unwittingly infecting people with those abhorrent ideas just because he is an idiot.

Hopefully it will be a learning experience for him, so he won't be so thoughtless about his actions in the future. However, we can't afford to take this issue lightly. The so-called "REAL fascists and racists" you complain about are just a symptom of an underlying problem. They are the product of ideas and social norms that are much more wide-spread and mainstream. In order to treat the root cause of racism, we need to challenge those underlying ideas.

 

[Metroxed]

Where is the 'he paid money to poor people' thing coming from? Are people just assuming they're poor becuase they're from India or am I missing something? These guys run a youtube channel based on videos like this, it's not like this was a charitable donation with a stipulation attached.

Again, unless I'm missing something?

Yeah, it's funny (and ironic) how people in their outrage about PewDiePie's alleged racism actually display racist commentaries by assuming that because they're from India they must be poor and bad awful PewDiePie just got their only source of income away from them... how are they going to eat now??

Sigh

 

[Gotdatmoney]

This is how the liberal world is losing ground by fighting over petty shit that nobody should care about. It's all NOISE that takes away attention from actual problems going on in the world.
The fact that this blew out of proportion points to an alarming trend of hyperbolic outrage culture alienating and dividing people and actually giving the spotlight to these fringe political cultures. This only serves to feed the monster, this is all ammunition to be used in this age of misinformation and confusion.

PewDiePie's dumb bullshit is not reflective of anyhing going on in the world. No one is going to see this situation and go "you know what, I think I'm right wing now" if they were not already leaning there.

This is one of those fallacies I see sprinkled around that is literally founded on nothing. Oh no, people argue among themselves. Who woulda thought opinions and feelings are diverse? :/

Come on.

 

[ClosingADoor]

So sad how things taken out of context have blown up. I hope this guy sues these people for defamation, even worse are the ignorant sheep following this crap as if it's fact.

This PC era is so terrible. Just saw a couple vids and am appalled at some of these articles based around out of context content and how companies like Disney and Youtube are acting. Terrible, sue them.

Sue Youtube and Disney for having the right to decide which content they want to be associated with? Really now?

 

[Gravy Boat]

"It's my prerogative to create violent and racist content and it's your fault if you see t and are offended over it"

Yeah I hear this entitled shit all the time. Doesn't make it true.

None of what he's created is violent or racist though. But yes, if a child is watching violent and racist things on youtube, that's the parents fault.

 

[StereoVsn]

No one is trying to ruin his life. His dumb mistakes cost him partnership deals. If you said kill all jews as a joke at the work place there's a high chance you'll be in the unemployment line yourself.

This is correct, In vast majority of corporations racist or anti-semantic statements or "jokes" are not tolerated. For shit like being discussed in this thread (remember this is NOT just one video) pretty much anyone would be fired up to executive levels.

People need to understand that some things are NOT a matter for jokes or comedy.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

None of what he's created is violent or racist though. But yes, if a child is watching violent and racist things on youtube, that's the parents fault.

You don't think "Death to Jews" isn't violent or bigoted? Or how memeing about Hitler is seen as violent and bigoted?

It's not the parents fault that some one who was seen as a relatively clean cut and family friendly Disney sponsored entertainer made violent and bigoted jokes. It's Pewdiepies fault.


"It's just a joke"
"It's your fault"

What ever. The Mental gymnastics employed to justify disgusting behavior isn't very amusing.

 

[Diprosalic]

so fucking salty. you obviously care a great deal about this dude.

that's a late response.

nevermind. i actually don't. i never watched his videos regularely, just out of curiousity like 4-5 videos over the last six years. his early ones were impossible to watch and his more recent stuff was much better albeit still not what i'd consider good. i wrote many times that i very much agree with what youtube and disney did and condemned what he did. it was just a lazy post by this guy, "who?" posts are never funny or add much to the discussion, they are even worse when the poster exactly knows who this is about.

 

[NHarmonic.]

This is bullshit. There is no excuse for the "Death to all Jews" bit. Seriously, there is none. He is referencing god damned genocide. Would it be ok if he referenced Rwanda's genocide from more recent years or slavery or something equally heinous?

The answer is it seems over last decade or two it is becoming ok to joke about the sort of shit that should be only dredged out in history lessons as a reminder of what should not be happening.

Too many edgelords, even here in this thread.

Wonder how many kids watched the damn video and thought that phrase was funny, so they'll replicate it too.

But lol no, muh comedy, muh far left shitting on poor PDP.

 

[Holykael1]

PewDiePie's dumb bullshit is not reflective of anyhing going on in the world. No one is going to see this situation and go "you know what, I think I'm right wing now" if they were not already leaning there.

This is one of those fallacies I see sprinkled around that is literally founded on nothing. Oh no, people argue among themselves. Who woulda thought opinions and feelings are diverse? :/

Come on.

Think of thousands of his fans who see this kind of controversy and know everything about him. Then they see people online demonizing this guy and I can guarantee you that they will not want to associate themselves with these people, it's not like they will change allegiance or change who they are to the core or whatever but it desensitizes everyone to these kinds of judgement, it's like the boy who cried wolf story, it turns people apathetic and creates political disillusionment. This is how extreme opinions on both the left and the right wing gain traction, by alienating the core of regular people and/or turning many of them vulnerable to radicalization. Nobody likes self righteousness, nobody likes the hyperbolic, hysterical idiots constantly making a fuss out of everything. When serious things start happening a lot of people just won't care, they will be long gone drowned in apathy.
This incident in itself is not very important but it's just another one in a constant stream of endless bullshit.

 

[Gravy Boat]

You don't think "Death to Jews" isn't violent or bigoted? Or how memeing about Hitler is seen as violent and bigoted?

It's not the parents fault that some one who was seen as a relatively clean cut and family friendly Disney sponsored entertainer made violent and bigoted jokes. It's Pewdiepies fault.


"It's just a joke"
"It's your fault"

What ever. The Mental gymnastics employed to justify disgusting behavior isn't very amusing.

Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important. He wasn't speading a hate message, he was seeing what was the most absurd thing people would do for $5.

If a parent isn't going to bother researching our checking out the sort of content their kids are watching then it is absolutely their fault. Watch any of his videos and you'll know he's extremely crass and foul mouthed, it's not like he pretends to be family friendly. If a child is found watching something that their parents think isn't suitable, that's entirely their own responsibility.

 

[allangelsgone]

Racism is a meme.

It is an idea that spreads from person to person somewhat like a disease. If I was to use this analogy, the kind of stuff Pewdiepie is doing is like being a carrier for this disease called racism: he isn't showing any symptoms of being a true racist, but he is still spreading the pathogen. In that case, quarantining him is an acceptable response. We don't want him unwittingly infecting people with those abhorrent ideas just because he is an idiot.

Hopefully it will be a learning experience for him, so he won't be so thoughtless about his actions in the future. However, we can't afford to take this issue lightly. The so-called "REAL fascists and racists" you complain about are just a symptom of an underlying problem. They are the product of ideas and social norms that are much more wide-spread and mainstream. In order to treat the root cause of racism, we need to challenge those underlying ideas.

Really? This is the problem with today's left and liberals. Yes, mein Fuhrer from the truth ministry. I shall not think forbidden thought that you have unilaterally decided are racist and wrong. I'm carrying a disease of thought and idea so it would be best to send me to the gulag so I can't infect the beautiful youth of tomorrow.

Seriously, if your having trouble with racism spreading - here is a radical idea, either you suck at arguing your point and getting it across or in some instances the racist can actually be more right than your standpoint. Mind blowing I know.

Otherwise I agree with the guy above you. Fighting over some dumb ass comment creates noise from the real racial problems out there.

 

[Lothars]

Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important. He wasn't speading a hate message, he was seeing what was the most absurd thing people would do for $5.

So he isn't spreading a hate message by doing it multiple times? So your saying people are overreacting and he shouldn't be called out over this?

 

[Effigenius]

Thing people need to realize is:
Pewdipie isnt a friggin anti-Semite
.

How do we know this for sure?

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important. He wasn't speading a hate message, he was seeing what was the most absurd thing people would do for $5.

If a parent isn't going to bother researching our checking out the sort of content their kids are watching then it is absolutely their fault. Watch any of his videos and you'll know he's extremely crass and foul mouthed, it's not like he pretends to be family friendly. If a child is found watching something that their parents think isn't suitable, that's entirely their own responsibility.

"Death to Jews" is inherently violent and bigoted. Stop trying to spin it as it isn't.


I guess some how it's also my fault that you're defending outright racism. But I guess there is no lack of crypto racists this day and age.


>some instances the racist can actually be more right than your standpoint. Mind blowing I know.



Well I guess some people are brave enough to wear their racism on their sleeve

 

[DryvBy]

That's about his usual rate, I believe.

Nah bro, gotta keep that narrative going. It's the Nazis.

 

[Mysterious]

Checked his live subscriber count for fun.

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/pewdiepie/realtime

Look at all the fascist white-supremacists subscribing to PewDiePie! About 50 subs per minute.

Facists or bots created by the alt-right?

 

[KORNdoggy]

Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important. He wasn't speading a hate message, he was seeing what was the most absurd thing people would do for $5.

and yet his first mental port of call was nazi's and the holocaust... do you find that normal? is that what you would make someone write and dance about too?

 

[StereoVsn]

Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important. He wasn't speading a hate message, he was seeing what was the most absurd thing people would do for $5.

If a parent isn't going to bother researching our checking out the sort of content their kids are watching then it is absolutely their fault. Watch any of his videos and you'll know he's extremely crass and foul mouthed, it's not like he pretends to be family friendly. If a child is found watching something that their parents think isn't suitable, that's entirely their own responsibility.

Are you seriously saying this? "Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important.".

No, words can be racist, hateful and inciting to violence. Unless you are talking about historical significance there is no context to genocide jokes or further the amount of stupid shit PDP built around anti-semitic material is so far over the line it is crazy there are so many defenders here. No, "it's context " or "it's a joke" is KT a sufficient defense.

Shit in this very thread people pointed out actual fucking Nazis pointing and cheering PDP on. Are you so backward you can't see how this sort of shit backfired considering the audience?

But no, poor PDP, it's the evil media and forum posters who are at fault.

 

[Glass Shark]

People are much more cavalier with their diet racism on the Gaming side

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

and yet his first mental port of call was nazi's and the holocaust... do you find that normal? is that what you would make someone write and dance about too?

"I'm gonna murder you because of your ethnicity and if you get offended you're the real nazi".

This is literally the type of person you need to keep away from this violent rhetoric. Look how easy it is for them to deny what they say is even offensive. First you normalize this and then what's the next step ?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Think of thousands of his fans who see this kind of controversy and know everything about him. Then they see people online demonizing this guy and I can guarantee you that they will not want to associate themselves with these people, it's not like they will change allegiance or change who they are to the core or whatever

So they will do what every human being does and just step away from a group they disagree with? What does that have to do with being Liberal?

but it desensitizes everyone to these kinds of judgement, it's like the boy who cried wolf story, it turns people apathetic and creates political disillusionment. This is how extreme opinions on both the left and the right wing gain traction, by alienating the core of regular people.

Nothing about the Pew's story is going to create political disullusionment. The guy is a dumb ass who made a controversial video and unsurprisngly it has people of all opinions discussing it. If this is an actual argument as to why fringe groups exist I dont buy it.

Nobody likes self righteousness

if you think Pew's defenders are not also being self righteous you are naive. Which is why this whole argument is dumb. It's based on the idea that there is definitively one correct side and there onviously isn't

nobody likes the hyperbolic, hysterical idiots constantly making a fuss out of everything.

Who decidea this? You?

When serious things start happening a lot of people just won't care, they will be long gone drowned in apathy.

Provide actual proof. Examples. I think this is bullshit fallacy but if you believe it is so then show the receipts.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important. He wasn't speading a hate message, he was seeing what was the most absurd thing people would do for $5.

If a parent isn't going to bother researching our checking out the sort of content their kids are watching then it is absolutely their fault. Watch any of his videos and you'll know he's extremely crass and foul mouthed, it's not like he pretends to be family friendly. If a child is found watching something that their parents think isn't suitable, that's entirely their own responsibility.

So to show that, he sent a hate message, but that should not be taken as a hate message. Got it...

He could easily just have them write "PewDiePie eats poop" or whatever to make the same point. Yet he chooses to sent a message that calls for the killing of an ethnic group, which has a history of that actually happening to them.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Edit nvm

 

[Gravy Boat]

So he isn't spreading a hate message by doing it multiple times? So your saying people are overreacting and he shouldn't be called out over this?

I think the reaction is disproportionate yes, but people are free to call him out on it, just as he's free to post it.

I think with the context of 'let's see what I can get people to do with $5' it's unfair to accuse him of trying to spread a hate message. The actual message doesn't matter, he just chose something that would be shocking to see, not something that stemmed from a belief system.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I want to cross post animlboogy's post form the other PDP thread because his response to mine is put into better words than what I can come up with.

That's the best post of this thread. It also puts my thoughts intp words way better I could have done.

 

[Doffen]

You don't think "Death to Jews" isn't violent or bigoted? Or how memeing about Hitler is seen as violent and bigoted?

It's not the parents fault that some one who was seen as a relatively clean cut and family friendly Disney sponsored entertainer made violent and bigoted jokes. It's Pewdiepies fault.


"It's just a joke"
"It's your fault"

What ever. The Mental gymnastics employed to justify disgusting behavior isn't very amusing.

When has PewDiePie ever been seen as clean cut and family friendly?
Video from 2014: https://youtu.be/lQz6xhlOt18?t=5m19s

 

[ClosingADoor]

I think the reaction is disproportionate yes, but people are free to call him out on it, just as he's free to post it.

I think with the context of 'let's see what I can get people to do with $5' it's unfair to accuse him of trying to spread a hate message. The actual message doesn't matter, he just chose something that would be shocking to see, not something that stemmed from a belief system.

In what world does the message not matter. He picks the damn message he had them write! So you would be OK with him putting slurs on there? Homophobic messages? Because it is "shocking"?

 

[Nepenthe]

The whole point of him even using "Death to All Jews" in the first place is that it IS an inherently violent statement. "Context" doesn't magically make it non-violent. Context would instead go to explaining why its violence is necessary to illustrate a greater point or comparison, you know, something any responsible and seasoned comedian would consider. The only point he could pull from it is "Non-native English speakers don't understand all of English," making it an absolutely irresponsible use of the phrase, hence why Disney dropped his ass.

 

[Souzetsu]

"The sign saying 'Death to all Jews' is not a hate message."

"Then why have that message on the sign?"

"It's funny because it's a hate message."

Got it.

 

[Gravy Boat]

Are you seriously saying this? "Words aren't inherently violent or racist, context is important.".

No, words can be racist, hateful and inciting to violence. Unless you are talking about historical significance there is no context to genocide jokes or further the amount of stupid shit PDP built around anti-semitic material is so far over the line it is crazy there are so many defenders here. No, "it's context " or "it's a joke" is KT a sufficient defense.

Shit in this very thread people pointed out actual fucking Nazis pointing and cheering PDP on. Are you so backward you can't see how this sort of shit backfired considering the audience?

But no, poor PDP, it's the evil media and forum posters who are at fault.

Where man i saying anything like 'Poor PDP'? I've said at least 3 times that people can call him out as they wish.

People make jokes about absolutely everything. You don't get to decide what other people find funny. I don't think this was funny, I think it was a stupid thing to do and he should have expected the backlash. I'm just no prepared to call him a facist or threaten him with violence like many are.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Where man i saying anything like 'Poor PDP'? I've said at least 3 times that people can call him out as they wish.

People make jokes about absolutely everything. You don't get to decide what other people find funny. I don't think this was funny, I think it was a stupid thing to do and he should have expected the backlash. I'm just no prepared to call him a facist or threaten him with violence like many are.

Can you point to anyone in this thread calling for violence against him? I have also not seen anyone calling him an actual nazi, but instead condemn him for normalizing hate messages like this which empowers nazi's and such.

 

[Nanashrew]

The whole point of him even using "Death to All Jews" in the first place is that it IS an inherently violent statement. "Context" doesn't magically make it non-violent. Context would instead go to explaining why its violence is necessary to illustrate a greater point or comparison, you know, something any responsible and seasoned comedian would consider. The only point he could pull from it is "Non-native English speakers don't understand all of English," making it an absolutely irresponsible use of the phrase, hence why Disney dropped his ass.

Thank you Nepenthe. I'm just finding my self at a loss of words atm to respond to all this stuff.