Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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it's a lie in hindsight, but may not have been one at the time. level 5 and sony may have originally intended to be only on playstation early on after all.
You really need to step back from the idea that a poor PC release implementation is directly equivalent to bought silence.
Square Enix for example has been shitty at PC roll outs for a good long time. The former Eidos side handles it well but if it comes out of Japan some PC jank always gets folded in.
Additionally you're ignoring that more than a few major publishers still think PC is a breeding ground for piracy. Add that Valves' alleged royalties on Steam have often been cited as in the 30% range whereas Sony likely continues to give SE a favored son style reduced royalty rate, especially for something not currently slated for XB1 release, further incentivizing SE pushing customers towards the PS4 version over PC.
The mental gymnastics being performed here are by people who think Sony's dropping stacks of cash to lock up some kind of exclusivity for games like Nioh, Ace Combat 7, and NieR. People on this forum are excited about those games, sure, but all total they'll probably sell fewer PS4 copies than Horizon alone. Or God of War. Or hell, probably MLB: The Show. They're the very definition of niche. Sony gives them some hype because their publishers already decided on at least an exclusive launch, not the other way around.
What this thread is asking for is to have Sony confirm a negative. Step out on stage at E3, announce a game, then state "This is not a PS exclusive! It'll be on PC and maybe Xbox 1 in the next 6-12 months, maybe, if the publisher wants to." Totally different setup from MS claiming exclusivity on a title that was only timed exclusive, a title already previously announced and well into development.
Lastly, if the PR statement doesn't come from the major players within Sony (SCEA, SCEJA, SCEWWS, Hirai or Yoshida, and SCEE to a lesser degree) you really shouldn't put any faith in it. Sony Ireland is not a well plugged in source for the inside scoop on Sony's business deals and plans.
This applies for basically all the major hardware and software producers too. Nintendo Brazil isn't going to tell you anything meaningful about the Switch's online service (unless you want Brazilian pricing, and maybe not even then). Microsoft Italy isn't going to be more reliable than your average journo on what is coming up for Xbox.
miller.skippins
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Are Xbox ppl still harbouring the illusion that Yakuza games, jrpgs, Nier automata, nioh are coming to their platform?
miller.skippins
Banned
OK, so gears 4 on ps4...When?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Phil is going to Japan! To get all the games!
But you have pages of folks doing mental gymnastics to justify exclusivity windows so, I mean, Video Games.
pure speculation, because zero facts
Especially as the XB1 has no VR solution at the moment so having it available on PC as well would still keep one of the main selling points of the PS4 version compared to XB1.
it is stupid for new hardware. but they're still a company trying to sell hardware on it's merits and what it offers that the others don't. the same way vive and oculus have exclusives too. it's counter productive for the hardware as a whole (as in VR). but ultimately beneficial for the specific hardware that has that exclusive (be it PSVR, vive or oculus)
The Nier situation tells me all I need to know. It's obviously a marketing deal for anyone that has a brain and thinks more than 15 seconds on it.
BlackBuzzard
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Ye how dare Sony not tell people there might be a PC version of a game that will run on a first party engine and will in most part get funded by them.
Sony being disingenious about Nier's exclusivity on psx (Saying that it's exclusive to the playstation 4) and at ohter places -> GAF response: Smart business move by sony, why should they say that it's coming to any other platform than theirs. Also no way a marketing or time exclusive dealw as made as nier is a niche game and sony doesn't thrive on being the console for niche games.
Microsoft being disingenious about ROTR exclusivity -> Gaf Response: Completely disingenious, no way it could be exclusive to xbox(that was right) , ms needs to be held accountable!
I am kinda perplexed still why no one even tries to get sony to clarify the stuff they put up on the screens and say at their conferences as they seem to spin the wheel to see which of their marketing terms they will wrongly use for every announcement.
Microsoft being disingenious about ROTR exclusivity -> Gaf Response: Completely disingenious, no way it could be exclusive to xbox(that was right) , ms needs to be held accountable!
I am kinda perplexed still why no one even tries to get sony to clarify the stuff they put up on the screens and say at their conferences as they seem to spin the wheel to see which of their marketing terms they will wrongly use for every announcement.
Yakuza has only been on Playstation since it's existence lol Honestly this whole thread comes off as silent port begging
The Vive does not have exclusives because Valve realizes they're unhealthy for the platform.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, I think this is fair. If Gio made a mistake on stage, they could have clarified, but they didn't.
There is no PC version of Death Stranding announced at this point.
still zero facts
Trojan
Member
"Fiasco"
gundamkyoukai
Member
You seem to have learned nothing from this generation.
At this point accusing people of port begging just because of doubting in implicit exclusivity of games is just a childish and fanboy attitude.
NeoRaider
Member
You clearly don't know what i am talking about.
Yes, a company will totally not take preorder money and actively hide a version of the game because they just woke up and felt like it. Yes, makes total sense. Just like Trump totally hasn't had contact with Russia, no sir.
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, I remember your succinct summary of the RotTR obfuscation efforts. Nothing else even slightly compares so far this gen.
FYI, to quote a post from a closed topic, click on the post number in its top right corner and it will take you to view the single post. Then, you can get the post # from the URL (eg. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230789857&postcount=48 - you just need 230789857). Then just write the following, as you normally would with a quote, but manually enter that number and you can link the quote directly (
funkystudent
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Crash Bandicoot seems like the only time they have been purposefully dickish about it. Anyone with half a brain could see they very clearly never mentioned it being exclusive though.
But I kinda feel like since MS and ROtTR it felt like Sony has made a point to be as clear as they can about most deals.
I think just about every time Sony has been up front, minus actually just telling you how long their deals are for. Like we know No Mans Sky had a timed deal. After that deal ends who knows if its worth porting but at least we knew it was timed,
Heck I also think for games like Yakuza they have deals where they could do PC / other versions later if they wanted but they just dont so technically its a timed exclusive but not really. I think similar smaller market games might take a similar approach.
But I kinda feel like since MS and ROtTR it felt like Sony has made a point to be as clear as they can about most deals.
I think just about every time Sony has been up front, minus actually just telling you how long their deals are for. Like we know No Mans Sky had a timed deal. After that deal ends who knows if its worth porting but at least we knew it was timed,
Heck I also think for games like Yakuza they have deals where they could do PC / other versions later if they wanted but they just dont so technically its a timed exclusive but not really. I think similar smaller market games might take a similar approach.
For real though, the purpose of this thread is to have Sony tell you when you can play the games in other consoles/PC so you can finally play them because you refuse to play on PlayStation?
If you want to play them, buy a PS4. Simple. If you refuse to buy it, then that's on you. You are free to do anything you want, just don't complain about it.
If you want to play them, buy a PS4. Simple. If you refuse to buy it, then that's on you. You are free to do anything you want, just don't complain about it.
Or maybe:
1. Capcom didn't want to sink the money into programming three different VR implementations, period.
2. PSVR is the easiest to implement with the most fixed hardware.
3. Sony and Capcom have a strong, long standing business partnership, unlike Occulus or HTC.
4. Sony was game for some big name cache on their VR platform and worked something out.
Timed exclusivity on VR of all things isn't some big Machiavellian plot. It's convenience breeding partnerships, not partnerships limiting the market. If Capcom was invested RE7 VR they wouldn't have sacrificed the added sales and market penetration for some collaborative marketing money.
It takes a fuckton of cash to buy an exclusive. The platform holder basically needs to pay for the game, and even then there are many IPs unavailable for exclusivity in any meaningful way. Sony is clearly in the driver's seat this generation and has no financial incentive to pour that kind of capital down the drain. But their strong market position makes them the defacto choice for a lot of the second tier 3rd party titles now starting to crop up, or the specialty offerings within more established IPs. So they splash some marketing money around to amplify the magnitude of those titles, which has clearly been working, going by all the NieR and Nioh hype on this forum.
JetSetRadio
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It's not their job to inform people who don't own their console.
Yakuza was on Wii U wasn't it or am I misremembering?
You overestimate importance of Nier.
Actually you are correct.
It's not. You can play it on Oculus provided you have the required hardware.
It's not their job to pay publishers to not mention other versions, but they still seem to do it.
Mr Moose
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FFVII:R https://youtu.be/l815oOdR0oc?t=46m40s
Play it first on PlayStation 4, never said it was exclusive.
I don't remember them saying Crash was exclusive, either, I am too lazy to check that one because I don't care about the game.
Play it first on PlayStation 4, never said it was exclusive.
I don't remember them saying Crash was exclusive, either, I am too lazy to check that one because I don't care about the game.
Yeah we're portbegging for the ps4 exclusive Nier automata at the moment, you can go message a mod to ban me for it if you feel like you need to.
graywolf323
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definitely seems to be
the oddest part of this thread is that Sony doesn't really seem to care if games also come to PC, when they talk about exclusives it's usually console exclusive
Triggerhappytel
Member
According to Wikipedia there was a Yakuza 1 & 2 collection on Wii U and PS3 in 2012.
Blackleg-sanji1
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As long as I can do it the next time octopath traveler Nd atlus Hd project shows up idc(yup still salty I was told to cool it)
i wouldn't even say they were being dickish about crash. they never officially said it was exclusive (except some random playstation twitter). people just didn't want to take the logical step and accept that it wasn't. i still find it doubtful it'll see a release on xbox. but a PC release seems likely. or maybe there is the freedom to port it, but they might not.
i mean, what do you label a game that is in that situation? were a PC or xbox port contractually could happen? and yet it never actually does happen due to low sales on PS4, or whatever other reason? it's technically an exclusive. but also technically a timed exclusive...and yet also technically not exclusive at all. it all depends on what does or doesn't happen in the future. how do you announce that on stage at E3 in a transparent, non convoluted way?
Vincent Grayson
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No one is saying "This can't happen". It's just that you have zero evidence and are making a totally unfounded claim.
Seems much more likely to me that the PC version simply isn't ready. Maybe they expected it to be, but it's not there yet, hence the varied dates (or lack) on trailers.
And, if it's not ready, I'm far more inclined to think SE doesn't want to go out of their way to say "Hey PC guys, it'll be out in a week" (or whatever) if it means they might get people to buy it twice.
Nier simply isn't important enough for me to buy (sans proof) that Sony is tossing around money to keep SE quiet.
If it was a marketing deal why did Yosuke Saito do an interview with Game Rant three months ago where he talked about it coming to PC and maybe even Xbox One, only to later state that the Xbox One consideration was dropped due to poor global HW sales?
Why did just this past week Square Enix both confirm and then de-confirm a simultaneous March 7th release to PC Gamer?
SE hasn't been silent, they've just been confusing as shit.
Someone referenced Hanlon's Razor earlier in this thread. People really need to make that their default state when it comes wot SE Japan games and PC. Hell, for all we know they're wishy washy because their execs are checking for a way to turn Denuvo up to 11.
Dinky Dino
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More like only do those deals mostly in japan since there's a language barrier and it might be easier to keep under wraps since sony is japanese as well. With MS they mainly do it with western studios which are blabber mouths.
Papacheeks
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I can understand things like crash, but when you get replies from developers on Nier giving reasons why it's not coming to xbox, seems to be cut and dry.
Why would most Japanese publishers put forth the money to put their game on xbox knowing xbox sells like dogshit in their region?
That's literally throwing money away and never getting it back. How many copies would Yakuza 0 sell on xbox, gravity rush?
Maybe NIOH might sell in the west? But I don't see xbox owner's clambering for those types of games.
So Sony kind of knows this and uses it at their advantage with PR and labeling.
Why would most Japanese publishers put forth the money to put their game on xbox knowing xbox sells like dogshit in their region?
That's literally throwing money away and never getting it back. How many copies would Yakuza 0 sell on xbox, gravity rush?
Maybe NIOH might sell in the west? But I don't see xbox owner's clambering for those types of games.
So Sony kind of knows this and uses it at their advantage with PR and labeling.
miller.skippins
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How much do you think it will sell on Xbox? The game is already not a big seller on ps4... How many do you think it will sell?
To quote from another guy in this thread....Anyone with a brain that think for 15sec can come up with the conclusion on why certain games remained exclusive on ps4 not because of Sony money hat but why waste the development cost to release on a platform where it's userbase barely plays anything outside shooters, sports games and GTA?
Yh the regional labels is indeed garbage and I still don't get how the communication on that is so poor.
FFVII:R has always been a First on PS4 title so no complaints there as far as disclosure.
Crash has never been disclosed until now so communication on that is indeed shit.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125066039&postcount=5124
FFVII:R has always been a First on PS4 title so no complaints there as far as disclosure.
Crash has never been disclosed until now so communication on that is indeed shit.
Whilst not shown on stage it was a multi-plat at E3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125066039&postcount=5124